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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 10:01 AM
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20. Now I understand -- it's not ignorance, it's psychological
Last night I was at my local pub and had a conversation with three other people about the war -- two Bush supporters/republicans, a Kerry supporter/Democrat and myself.

One republican was the barmaid, who is almost comically committed to Bush -- that's her reputation.

The other Kerry supporter amazingly was a National Guardsman (African American) who was in Iraq for a year and thinks the invasion was a disaster and told us a lot about what it was like to be there.

The other republican was a firefighter who was at the WTC on 9/11.

At one point the firefighter says that after seeing the wreckage of the WTC we had to go after Sadam. The Guardsman and I both say Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11. He says he doesn't believe it. Then we both say that even president bush says that Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11. The firefighter gets that blank look that so many posters here at DU have talked about when confronting bush supporters with the facts. Then he mumbles again that he will always believe that Sadam was involved in 9/11 no matter what and walks out of the bar.

This conversation was the same day that I had posted in this thread earlier, and in a flash I completely understood these people we are talking about.

It is not an intelligence problem. It is not an information problem. It is a psychological problem called cognitive dissonance. They are not stupid at all.

Cognitive dissonance is the inability of people to process new information that conflicts with or is dissonant with what they think they already know. People will go to outrageous lengths to make new information "consonant" with what they know.

Here is the problem with bush supporters. If they accept that Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11 then they have to accept truly terrible, dissonant information: that the president is a lying incompetent, that over 1000 young Americans and countless Iraqis have died for absolutely nothing, that the country really is being run by a oil-gluttonous oligarchy, that the president's family is possibly in cahoots with the family of the worst mass murderer of Americans in history.

So they just black out the reality and hold onto the unreality. They are not stupid; they are doing what traumatized people do.
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  - 3 of 4 Bush supporters have a 2-digit IQ  Jack_Dawson   Oct-22-04 04:22 PM   #1 
  - They're the ones who watch FOX News  librarycard   Oct-23-04 11:22 AM   #15 
  - this just proves that 3 out of 4 Bush supporters  Cousinit13   Oct-22-04 04:24 PM   #2 
  - No-- it proves two things  Oak2004   Oct-22-04 06:18 PM   #4 
     - stop with the people "don't have time" bs  Skittles   Oct-22-04 08:45 PM   #5 
     - Wake up: not everyone is as privileged as you are  Oak2004   Oct-22-04 10:03 PM   #7 
     - you are unbelieveably wrong and condescending  Skittles   Oct-22-04 11:35 PM   #8 
        - Do you know that privilege comes in more forms than money?  Oak2004   Oct-23-04 02:16 AM   #9 
           - you know nothing about me  Skittles   Oct-23-04 02:41 AM   #10 
     - Agreed.  NeoConsSuck   Oct-24-04 07:03 PM   #25 
     - That's crap. We ARE the party of the working class.  nonconformist   Oct-23-04 04:01 AM   #11 
        - beware the "liberal republican"  Skittles   Oct-23-04 04:16 AM   #12 
  - Three out of four Bush supporters...  turbo_satan   Oct-22-04 06:03 PM   #3 
  - Pretty much sums up the people who destroyed that audio ng.  Seabiscuit   Nov-08-04 12:45 AM   #29 
  - These flat-earthers probably believe...  FlyByNight   Oct-22-04 08:58 PM   #6 
  - Great post Oak2004  HamdenRice   Oct-23-04 07:47 AM   #13 
  - Important point made....  Ardee   Oct-24-04 10:47 AM   #22 
  - Thinking people support Kerry.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-23-04 09:52 AM   #14 
  - An interesting discussion  Ardee   Oct-23-04 11:48 AM   #16 
  - Good Posts, Oak2004, HamdenRice, Ardee  Martin Eden   Oct-23-04 01:41 PM   #17 
  - I absolutely disagree  Skittles   Oct-23-04 07:29 PM   #19 
     - not quite the point, Skittles  Ardee   Oct-24-04 10:51 AM   #23 
  - I, not a Bush supporter, also believed their was some  AtTheEndOfTheDay   Oct-23-04 06:13 PM   #18 
  - Now I understand -- it's not ignorance, it's psychological  HamdenRice   Oct-24-04 10:01 AM   #20 
  - Yep-they also don't want to admit that they bought into the whole thing  underpants   Oct-24-04 10:05 AM   #21 
  - In short, it's denial  Martin Eden   Oct-24-04 06:20 PM   #24 
  - Bush supporters  DeadManInc   Oct-24-04 07:11 PM   #26 
  - This proves what we at DU have always suspected  Jack Rabbit   Oct-24-04 07:51 PM   #27 
  - You can fool some fools all the time  indepat   Oct-25-04 07:56 AM   #28 
  - Most zealous ideologues and religious fanatics can be fooled all the time  indepat   Nov-08-04 07:44 AM   #30 
 

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