hootinholler
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Wed Nov-30-11 06:25 PM
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Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:27 PM by hootinholler
Not with your sentiment, but this is not about demanding Change.
Rather, the demand is JUSTICE.
Now I will admit that would be quite a change.
-Hoot
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| -You're STILL. NOT. GETTING. IT, are you? |
TygrBright |
Nov-30-11 05:41 PM |
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I get it. I just disagree. |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 05:45 PM |
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Republicans DO NOT want change. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-01-11 11:48 AM |
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Good one!!!! And so true. |
DeeDeeNY |
Dec-01-11 05:56 PM |
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Frederick Douglass |
femrap |
Dec-01-11 02:12 PM |
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We get it. But you're wrong. |
TheWraith |
Nov-30-11 05:52 PM |
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You don't get it. And you are wrong. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-30-11 07:47 PM |
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Nicely put. n/t |
truedelphi |
Dec-01-11 02:54 AM |
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+100 |
Myrina |
Dec-01-11 11:15 AM |
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You are exactly right, and the change is shaping up into something |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-01-11 11:52 AM |
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1++++ Right on! There's a difference between "change" and authentic change. |
patrice |
Dec-01-11 03:24 PM |
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+1 |
rtassi |
Dec-01-11 04:02 PM |
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exactly - well put. not to mention that |
bread_and_roses |
Dec-02-11 06:26 PM |
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"...clueless idiots, unthinking tools, or witting shills for our Beloved Oligarchs" |
fascisthunter |
Dec-01-11 10:34 AM |
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My vote is "witting shills" -- Corporate media is bought and sold in this country. |
LuckyLib |
Dec-01-11 01:24 PM |
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"witting shills"... HA! I was thinking about that recently |
fascisthunter |
Dec-01-11 04:05 PM |
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deleted .. by self |
rtassi |
Dec-01-11 04:09 PM |
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I concur. The themes of economic parity and social justice are powerful ones. |
MADem |
Dec-01-11 02:39 PM |
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said brilliantly... and they play the games |
handmade34 |
Nov-30-11 05:52 PM |
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A lot of people in the middle of that 99% are very uncomfortable |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 06:00 PM |
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That's their problem. Their fear. As the OP says, many in the |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-30-11 06:46 PM |
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I'm happy with OWS -- but I won't be happy if the movement |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 06:58 PM |
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I see no one proposing a pig in a poke. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-01-11 01:18 PM |
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That, Ma'am, is the heart and soul of consvativism. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Dec-01-11 08:33 PM |
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exactly |
FirstLight |
Nov-30-11 05:57 PM |
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Fine, then lead. But toward specific goals. "Change" |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 06:01 PM |
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Change, the word alone, was an Obama slogan in 08. |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-30-11 06:52 PM |
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The 99% includes many people who aren't Democrats or political at all. |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 06:57 PM |
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And the same people who bought those OBAMA slogans and shouted down anyone who said |
MADem |
Dec-01-11 02:46 PM |
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uh NO! |
Caretha |
Nov-30-11 08:10 PM |
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Thomas Paine was a leader. Who is leading OWS? n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 08:37 PM |
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You think you know best |
Caretha |
Nov-30-11 08:41 PM |
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I don't think that any more than you think you're the best. |
pnwmom |
Nov-30-11 09:01 PM |
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That is not fair. pnwmom is simply, and respectfully posting her opinions. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-01-11 12:38 AM |
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Reliance on, and devotion to, leaders engenders fascism. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Dec-01-11 08:35 PM |
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just an observation but |
Phlem |
Nov-30-11 07:32 PM |
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You get it. |
FedUp_Queer |
Dec-01-11 02:25 PM |
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Right. It's going to take time, of course, which is what seems to have been forgotten. |
enough |
Nov-30-11 06:03 PM |
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It is reasonable to ask |
malthaussen |
Nov-30-11 06:04 PM |
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The function of OWS it to get everyone to acknowledge the need for change. When enough people stand |
Vincardog |
Dec-01-11 11:06 AM |
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Well said and |
Grey |
Nov-30-11 06:05 PM |
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Well articulated! |
hourglass1 |
Nov-30-11 06:07 PM |
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Well ok then. |
PETRUS |
Nov-30-11 06:09 PM |
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It'd be a lot simpler if you went straight to the 'corporations are not people' |
muriel_volestrangler |
Nov-30-11 06:13 PM |
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You don't get it. 'Corporationa are not people' is only a part of it. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-30-11 07:56 PM |
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Bravo - and don't worry about the usual TPs from the usual suspects. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-30-11 06:17 PM |
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they are losing the battle of ideas badly |
fascisthunter |
Dec-01-11 10:37 AM |
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I disagree. |
hootinholler |
Nov-30-11 06:25 PM |
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You want change? You gotta MAKE the change, not beg for it hanging out... |
TreasonousBastard |
Nov-30-11 06:48 PM |
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The Occupations are based on picket lines... |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-30-11 07:11 PM |
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And where would they be without the NLRB, Taft-Hartley, or... |
TreasonousBastard |
Nov-30-11 11:19 PM |
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So, TB, what I don't understand is why not let them do it whatever way they are doing it, |
enough |
Nov-30-11 07:48 PM |
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What makes you think I want to stop them, or that they are in the way... |
TreasonousBastard |
Nov-30-11 11:09 PM |
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thanks for saying it. Some people will NEVER get it. |
russspeakeasy |
Nov-30-11 06:55 PM |
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I do get it, but I'm old and I've seen and lived through a lot. |
Paka |
Nov-30-11 07:00 PM |
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Amen that brotha! |
Phlem |
Nov-30-11 07:52 PM |
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::koff::...sista...::koff:: But thanks. n/t |
TygrBright |
Nov-30-11 08:09 PM |
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Oops sorry my bad, but |
Phlem |
Nov-30-11 09:33 PM |
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I get it. And you nailed it!! OCCUPY!! REC. |
bertman |
Nov-30-11 08:39 PM |
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Exactely! |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-30-11 09:45 PM |
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Good job.... |
pauldg0 |
Nov-30-11 10:24 PM |
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Masterful rant. |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-30-11 10:34 PM |
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The crazy thing about the New Yorker passage you quote is... |
JackRiddler |
Nov-30-11 10:56 PM |
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I wouldn't doubt that many who did the protest of XL |
truedelphi |
Dec-01-11 02:55 AM |
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BINGO. |
FedUp_Queer |
Dec-01-11 02:27 PM |
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Yes, I've been getting much of my XL and OWS news from Democracy Now... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-01-11 03:17 PM |
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Hmmm...maybe it is Xcel. Either way, it's bad. |
FedUp_Queer |
Dec-02-11 05:55 PM |
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K and *&%$@#**^ R! |
bluestateboomer |
Nov-30-11 11:28 PM |
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Who would OWS make their demands to? |
Jim_Shorts |
Nov-30-11 11:54 PM |
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Read |
donheld |
Dec-01-11 12:11 AM |
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Unlike those who keep saying that you weren't "specific" enough |
BlueMTexpat |
Dec-01-11 03:12 AM |
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Legally, corporate personhood is the only way corporations can be sued |
Recursion |
Dec-01-11 09:33 AM |
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I didn't know that but what law written in stone? Laws can be changed. |
snagglepuss |
Dec-01-11 03:42 PM |
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That's basically the extent of legal personhood |
Recursion |
Dec-01-11 05:28 PM |
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::koff:: political donations as "free speech" ::koff:: Citizens United ring any bells? n/t |
TygrBright |
Dec-01-11 06:27 PM |
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it's the only way legal liabilities have ever attached to corporations. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Dec-01-11 08:49 PM |
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I had a conversation yesterday along these and the OP's lines |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Dec-01-11 11:51 AM |
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Well Done. |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 10:11 AM |
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Brilliant. |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Dec-01-11 10:21 AM |
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excellent |
ismnotwasm |
Dec-01-11 10:44 AM |
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One of your best articles ever! Right on target. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Dec-01-11 11:03 AM |
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I'm honored. Go right ahead. n/t |
TygrBright |
Dec-01-11 11:27 AM |
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All these 'smart' guys that write for a living just need to read |
Beavker |
Dec-01-11 11:08 AM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-01-11 11:50 AM |
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Dec-01-11 12:07 PM |
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Dec-01-11 12:12 PM |
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That's.Effing.It. |
Amonester |
Dec-01-11 01:42 PM |
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Brilliant, Bright |
Grateful for Hope |
Dec-01-11 12:11 PM |
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They want OWS to have leaders because their propaganda machine is setup |
harun |
Dec-01-11 12:23 PM |
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A Yep! |
BrendaBrick |
Dec-01-11 03:59 PM |
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bloody f'kn awesome! k&r n/t |
unionworks |
Dec-01-11 12:50 PM |
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Awesomely spoken, Bright. |
Desertrose |
Dec-01-11 02:09 PM |
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Actually Bright, I think ''they'' know exactly what it's about. |
DeSwiss |
Dec-01-11 03:21 PM |
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1++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++ |
patrice |
Dec-01-11 03:25 PM |
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That may be why they are so afraid of the movement... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-01-11 03:45 PM |
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Never underestimate the element of SURPRISE!!! |
BrendaBrick |
Dec-01-11 04:07 PM |
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Awesome |
hulka38 |
Dec-01-11 04:06 PM |
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I've said this before. |
Kaleko |
Dec-01-11 04:17 PM |
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Exactly. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Dec-01-11 04:53 PM |
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Excellent post....KR....but on a side note..to answer that age old question of the meaning of is.... |
ooglymoogly |
Dec-01-11 04:26 PM |
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I am a clueless unthinking witting shill for the beloved oligarchs. |
geckosfeet |
Dec-01-11 04:45 PM |
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K&R |
Ignis |
Dec-01-11 04:48 PM |
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as an over 60 person, I get it. |
onethatcares |
Dec-01-11 04:49 PM |
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I would never expect the New Yorker to "get it." It's a blue blood waspy mag of the 1% |
firehorse |
Dec-01-11 04:58 PM |
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I think so many people in general have been so conditioned to see only |
deutsey |
Dec-01-11 05:19 PM |
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+1 Wonderful, thoughtful reply. |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-01-11 06:20 PM |
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Anyone who doesn't understand the demands |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-01-11 05:21 PM |
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Occupiers know the system is broken. How dare they not use that broken system to express this!! |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-01-11 05:23 PM |
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actually more like a list of at least 3 demands |
PatrynXX |
Dec-01-11 05:57 PM |
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Awesome! |
shanti |
Dec-01-11 09:31 PM |
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k&r n/t |
RainDog |
Dec-02-11 12:54 AM |
#107 |
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