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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:58 PM
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27. The naysayers are always poised to slam direct action.
So what you gonna do after the ballot has failed? For some it will be hoping for an election that actually changes things. The general strike of 1934 in Minneapolis shows how mass action can work.
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  -Why a Nationwide Strike is the Next Step Marazinia  Oct-30-11 07:14 PM   #0 
  - Nice dream, but the reality is that it will not happen here in the U.S.  elocs   Oct-30-11 07:24 PM   #1 
  - I wouldn't have thought something as large and persistent as the Occupy movement would happen until  yurbud   Nov-06-11 07:58 PM   #44 
  - Much too much involved for that to be the next step, imo,  elleng   Oct-30-11 07:25 PM   #2 
  - If you are both right (and I worry you might be)  Marazinia   Oct-30-11 07:35 PM   #3 
  - Oh and by the way  Marazinia   Oct-30-11 07:47 PM   #4 
  - There are already 25 million people sitting down among the unemployed  jtuck004   Oct-30-11 09:40 PM   #5 
  - Okay so we are so uneccesary to the wealthy that not working won't touch them?  Marazinia   Oct-30-11 09:50 PM   #6 
     - Exactly.  jtuck004   Oct-30-11 10:51 PM   #8 
        - That said  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 03:53 AM   #10 
  - Here is what would happen if an extended general strike really happened.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-30-11 10:15 PM   #7 
  - Essential workers will still work  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 03:42 AM   #9 
     - How will so called essential workers get to work if the gas stations are closed?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 07:17 AM   #11 
        - So keep the long haul fuel truckers and shipyard workers as essential  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 02:39 PM   #12 
           - Are gas station cashiers essential workers too?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 02:51 PM   #13 
           - How can you be sure?  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 02:59 PM   #14 
              - Who decides who will and won't be allowed to work?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 03:05 PM   #15 
              - Problems that need solutions for sure  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 03:13 PM   #18 
              - It is pretty easy to be sure. Just ask one simple question.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 03:09 PM   #16 
                 - I don't see how that follows  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 03:10 PM   #17 
                    - That's why general strikes fail. They are nothing more than a radical's dream. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 03:16 PM   #19 
                       - Then you non-radicals better come up with some real solutions soon  Marazinia   Oct-31-11 03:26 PM   #20 
           - You keep talking about 'cutting off food to the strikers'  muriel_volestrangler   Oct-31-11 06:20 PM   #22 
              - I think he doesn't know either.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-31-11 09:01 PM   #25 
                 - She does know  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 05:21 AM   #30 
                    - "grocery stores willing to take IOUs"  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-01-11 06:24 AM   #31 
                    - And even then the refineries would need to keep working.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-01-11 06:57 AM   #32 
                    - She does indeed  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 07:40 AM   #36 
                       - You clearly are not getting the "elevator take-away" here.  Chan790   Nov-06-11 03:34 PM   #43 
                    - Not all grocery stores are run by corporations  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 07:16 AM   #34 
                       - Many things 'are possible'; but they're not what the USA has  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-01-11 08:03 AM   #37 
                          - I hope we'll have at least a Congress with marked differences from what we have now  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 08:24 AM   #38 
                    - What are you going to do about the red states and counties?  GreenStormCloud   Nov-01-11 06:59 AM   #33 
                       - Nothing can be done until support is widespread, I never tried to suggest otherwise  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 07:18 AM   #35 
  - This should be essential reading!  swilton   Oct-31-11 05:05 PM   #21 
  - I think the next step is Occupy Washington D.C. - across from White House or Capitol. nt  cyberpj   Oct-31-11 08:18 PM   #23 
  - Perhaps instead of a general strike  onpatrol98   Oct-31-11 08:36 PM   #24 
  - I haven't bought Exxon gas in almost a decade  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 05:13 AM   #29 
     - I didn't think of that...  onpatrol98   Nov-01-11 10:57 AM   #39 
        - On the other hand  Marazinia   Nov-01-11 01:17 PM   #40 
  - It needs to include the population buying nothing, especially gas from  MasonJar   Oct-31-11 09:17 PM   #26 
  - The naysayers are always poised to slam direct action.  Scruffy1   Oct-31-11 09:58 PM   #27 
  - I think mass targeted action definitely works  onpatrol98   Nov-01-11 02:07 AM   #28 
  - Yep. Led by Trotskyists, I might add  socialist_n_TN   Nov-05-11 06:26 PM   #41 
  - I've been posting here for 3 or 4 years now........  socialist_n_TN   Nov-05-11 06:31 PM   #42 
 

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