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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:23 PM
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101. That's what I made on an ordinary clerical job -- Twenty five years ago in 1986 !
The cost of living has gone up considerably since then. :eyes:
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  -Why Companies Aren't Getting the Employees They Need Kennah  Oct-24-11 11:16 PM   #0 
  - "Employers here at home rightly point to a significant  hedgehog   Oct-24-11 11:28 PM   #1 
  - I can top that :/  Celefin   Oct-25-11 04:45 AM   #25 
  - Anyone these days who has a 'sense of loyalty' to their employers nowadays,  raccoon   Oct-25-11 07:44 AM   #43 
  - At the end of the week, if you've done good work and you get a paycheck, you're even.  SharonAnn   Oct-25-11 02:13 PM   #68 
  - Then employers can't expect any more "loyalty" or "stability" than that either. n/t  whathehell   Oct-25-11 04:11 PM   #73 
  - After you've worked yourself to the bone & make decent pay  lark   Oct-25-11 05:33 PM   #83 
     - happened to me too.  MsFlorida   Oct-25-11 08:01 PM   #94 
  - Loyalty is a two way mutha Fing street.  Confusious   Oct-25-11 08:39 PM   #96 
  - The response to that should be ...  markpkessinger   Oct-25-11 06:06 PM   #84 
  - Hmmm  Lithos   Oct-24-11 11:29 PM   #2 
  - So, say it costs X dollars to move a person. How much does  hedgehog   Oct-25-11 12:02 AM   #5 
  - Sometimes it is about applying a policy uniformly.  Lisa0825   Oct-25-11 07:45 PM   #92 
  - If I can't find what I need at a price I am willing to pay, I do without it.  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:06 AM   #12 
  - +1111 for the Telecommuting suggestion!  kentauros   Oct-25-11 07:18 AM   #40 
  - It's pretty rare in the U. S. that one cannot find an IT skill set at the right price.  SharonAnn   Oct-25-11 09:08 PM   #99 
  - Today's High School Graduates Have Far Lower Skills Than 20 Year Ago...  NYC_SKP   Oct-24-11 11:43 PM   #3 
  - This is all true.  ThomCat   Oct-25-11 12:56 AM   #7 
  - What skills are you talking about?  rfranklin   Oct-25-11 06:12 AM   #30 
     - here is a list  reggie the dog   Oct-25-11 07:04 AM   #37 
  - +1000 NYC_SKP  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 02:17 AM   #8 
  - Republicans think learning is literal.  Beartracks   Oct-25-11 02:43 AM   #10 
     - "Is our children learning?"  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 03:47 PM   #69 
        - That employer was, ultimately, US!  Beartracks   Oct-25-11 08:37 PM   #95 
  - +1  stevedeshazer   Oct-25-11 03:06 AM   #13 
  - I think one untaught skill trumps all those except maybe the first two.  Chan790   Oct-25-11 07:10 AM   #38 
  - Your second sentence is entirely true.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:51 AM   #46 
  - I actually saw someone on a writing forum ask  kentauros   Oct-25-11 08:17 AM   #50 
  - Home ec and shop need to be unisexed, or even combined. :^)  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:39 AM   #61 
     - I agree.  kentauros   Oct-25-11 11:29 AM   #64 
  - I'm an English teacher, and we're working on it.  knitter4democracy   Oct-25-11 09:09 AM   #56 
  - People who don't read aren't going to learn to write.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:33 AM   #60 
  - This is it in a nutshell. If kids don't see their parents reading books, magazines,  LuckyLib   Oct-25-11 05:30 PM   #81 
  - The point is that you learn to think critically by doing things, trying  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 03:57 PM   #72 
  - I totally disagree about home ec and shop  arikara   Oct-25-11 04:22 PM   #74 
  - Standardized tests are ruining America.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:46 AM   #44 
  - Standardized tests do one thing and one thing only.  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-25-11 08:40 AM   #52 
     - You are entirely correct.  knitter4democracy   Oct-25-11 09:13 AM   #57 
  - But then again, those who graduated 20 years ago are still working  Bluenorthwest   Oct-25-11 09:55 AM   #58 
  - that's the opposite of what the corporations are saying  Enrique   Oct-25-11 04:40 PM   #79 
     - Playing, the arts, use of tools, all contribute to problem solving skills, critical thinking...  NYC_SKP   Oct-25-11 09:33 PM   #102 
  - No one wants to work for what they are trying to force us to take is what I think the problem is  madokie   Oct-24-11 11:47 PM   #4 
  - You are right Madokie, It's all about the money.  fasttense   Oct-25-11 05:54 AM   #28 
  - But isn't that the whole point?  nxylas   Oct-25-11 06:20 AM   #33 
  - Yes, it's all about the money. They want to pay crap for highly skilled folks who  TBF   Oct-25-11 06:43 AM   #34 
  - In my field, they won't even consider anyone with less than two years of experience.  wickerwoman   Oct-25-11 12:50 AM   #6 
  - There are a number of positions I find impossible to hire for.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 02:31 AM   #9 
  - Do you really need both those things in the same person?  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:15 AM   #15 
  - They are two unique roles that are both difficult to fill  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 04:18 AM   #21 
  - I meet both...  Chan790   Oct-25-11 07:19 AM   #41 
     - Really...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 03:49 PM   #70 
        - At this point,  Chan790   Oct-26-11 12:53 PM   #114 
  - Here's the issue: they want 1 person w/ fresh skills & 20 yrs exper. to work for entry-level wages  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:05 AM   #11 
  - +1  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:16 AM   #16 
  - Frankly it is always a combination of factors  Sherman A1   Oct-25-11 03:10 AM   #14 
  - Think simpler. They want excuses for H1 visas to get indentured labor  NuttyFluffers   Oct-25-11 03:17 AM   #17 
  - You assume that US workers have any more rights. Speak up and your ass is out the door - might as  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:30 AM   #19 
     - you have to introduce more than one competing party to get people to fight amongst themselves.  NuttyFluffers   Oct-26-11 03:58 AM   #107 
  - Reminds me of a guy looking for someone with looks, brains, a family fortune and a perfect  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:23 AM   #18 
  - Double-Plus + + for a good metaphor  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:32 AM   #20 
  - Yap. You will be so proud of working for us.  Celefin   Oct-25-11 04:35 AM   #23 
  - High School Vocational training died decades ago...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Oct-25-11 04:31 AM   #22 
  - I think the reason for that is the argument that we have vocational schools for that purpose.  dddem   Oct-25-11 05:22 AM   #27 
  - we still have our vocational school  Maine-ah   Oct-25-11 05:59 AM   #29 
  - Bingo!  BumRushDaShow   Oct-25-11 04:40 AM   #24 
  - Cowards!  liberal N proud   Oct-25-11 04:57 AM   #26 
  - There was a piece on CNN over the weekend about a company  Vinca   Oct-25-11 06:17 AM   #31 
  - We sure have a head start in that direction, though!  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 07:01 AM   #36 
  - Wait until the Republicans try to repeal the minimum wage, and people are making $0.50 / hour  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:34 AM   #42 
  - That's what I made on an ordinary clerical job -- Twenty five years ago in 1986 !  whathehell   Oct-25-11 09:23 PM   #101 
  - Employers want you to be currently employed, they want you to have a good credit score, they want  ck4829   Oct-25-11 06:20 AM   #32 
  - Usually the problem isn't even just filling a position.  JoeyT   Oct-25-11 07:00 AM   #35 
  - "without any training or ramp-up time" - This is EXACTLY the problem.  MessiahRp   Oct-25-11 07:13 AM   #39 
  - Delete--dupe. nt  raccoon   Oct-25-11 07:47 AM   #45 
  - Let me translate...  Javaman   Oct-25-11 07:52 AM   #47 
  - My experience looking for an entry-level position last year.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 08:00 AM   #48 
  - Did you see my translation right above your post?  Javaman   Oct-25-11 08:16 AM   #49 
  - Entry level and requiring 5+ years experience would seem to be mutually exclusive, would you think?  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-25-11 10:06 AM   #59 
  - I've had a similar experience! nt  alp227   Oct-26-11 12:57 AM   #106 
  - Deming complained of this 50 years ago, it is one of the worse aspects of US Managment  happyslug   Oct-25-11 08:21 AM   #51 
  - & japan took that idea & moved to other countries.  xchrom   Oct-25-11 09:08 AM   #55 
  - Deming is sufficiently revered in Japan there is a prize awarded in his name ...  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:47 AM   #62 
  - It's true. My brother took a job recently and they gave him ZERO orientation or training  ProfessionalLeftist   Oct-25-11 08:51 AM   #53 
  - One thing this article glaring omitted: employer-employee loyalty  meow2u3   Oct-25-11 09:03 AM   #54 
  - This should be the Thread Of The Day -- lots of excellent discussion.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 11:02 AM   #63 
  - part of the problem is that the standard interview process sucks.  unblock   Oct-25-11 12:44 PM   #65 
  - Very much so. An interview can be such a hack job now. It's bullshit  Populist_Prole   Oct-25-11 01:47 PM   #66 
  - It's the appearance of skills rather than actual skill - It's a disease in corporate culture  DaveJ   Oct-25-11 06:49 PM   #89 
  - PLUS they must already have a job, PLUS they can't  annabanana   Oct-25-11 02:06 PM   #67 
  - And cheaply.. n/t  EC   Oct-25-11 03:57 PM   #71 
  - Got laid off in January 2010. I finally made the decision late this summer that  SCRUBDASHRUB   Oct-25-11 04:26 PM   #75 
  - How can we compete against multi-nationals who use prison labor for 5 cents and hour?  lib2DaBone   Oct-25-11 04:27 PM   #76 
  - exactly-and have set up the conditions for countrywide slave  katty   Oct-25-11 04:38 PM   #78 
  - They also want people who will work for next to nothing, no benefits no job security.  kestrel91316   Oct-25-11 04:28 PM   #77 
  - True. A friend of mine got laid off from the same place I did in 2010.  SCRUBDASHRUB   Oct-25-11 04:48 PM   #80 
  - True dat!  FloriTexan   Oct-25-11 05:31 PM   #82 
  - More hogwash from the journal of the 1%  NICO9000   Oct-25-11 06:09 PM   #85 
  - I thought they say that to justify the H1B employees they get shipped over here. nt  valerief   Oct-25-11 06:14 PM   #86 
  - Why don't they set up seminars in High Schools to tell students what they need? They just want  1776Forever   Oct-25-11 06:14 PM   #87 
  - Company Job training is essential. It would greatly benefit the companies.  DaveJ   Oct-25-11 07:01 PM   #90 
  - Employers want a magical employee to show up, grow their company, increase profits and do it for low  harun   Oct-25-11 06:37 PM   #88 
  - +1000. nt  raccoon   Oct-26-11 07:39 AM   #111 
  - excellent!!! n/t  handmade34   Oct-25-11 07:16 PM   #91 
  - They WANT folks who work 70hrs a week for minimum wage....  OwnedByFerrets   Oct-25-11 08:01 PM   #93 
  - It used to be....not so very long ago.....that employers paid for "continuing education'....  BillyJack   Oct-25-11 08:54 PM   #97 
  - Companies are also posting their jobs anonymously on  savalez   Oct-25-11 08:57 PM   #98 
  - A good company is hard to find  DaveJ   Oct-26-11 07:35 AM   #109 
     - Or boyfriend. nt  raccoon   Oct-26-11 07:37 AM   #110 
  - I think you may be on to something about who the culprits are...  midnight   Oct-25-11 09:11 PM   #100 
  - companies' hiring problems should be blamed on the MBAs.  provis99   Oct-25-11 10:06 PM   #103 
  - That explains a lot  DaveJ   Oct-26-11 07:34 AM   #108 
  - I've been looking for a job  TheFarseer   Oct-25-11 11:00 PM   #104 
  - That is indeed true.  tcaudilllg   Oct-25-11 11:30 PM   #105 
  - Schools aren't giving kids the right training, because ...  Myrina   Oct-26-11 08:10 AM   #112 
  - Bargain Basement Employees  dash_bannon   Oct-26-11 10:22 AM   #113 
 

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