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| 77. They also want people who will work for next to nothing, no benefits no job security. |
| -Why Companies Aren't Getting the Employees They Need |
Kennah |
Oct-24-11 11:16 PM |
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"Employers here at home rightly point to a significant |
hedgehog |
Oct-24-11 11:28 PM |
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I can top that :/ |
Celefin |
Oct-25-11 04:45 AM |
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Anyone these days who has a 'sense of loyalty' to their employers nowadays, |
raccoon |
Oct-25-11 07:44 AM |
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At the end of the week, if you've done good work and you get a paycheck, you're even. |
SharonAnn |
Oct-25-11 02:13 PM |
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Then employers can't expect any more "loyalty" or "stability" than that either. n/t |
whathehell |
Oct-25-11 04:11 PM |
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After you've worked yourself to the bone & make decent pay |
lark |
Oct-25-11 05:33 PM |
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happened to me too. |
MsFlorida |
Oct-25-11 08:01 PM |
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Loyalty is a two way mutha Fing street. |
Confusious |
Oct-25-11 08:39 PM |
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The response to that should be ... |
markpkessinger |
Oct-25-11 06:06 PM |
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Hmmm |
Lithos |
Oct-24-11 11:29 PM |
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So, say it costs X dollars to move a person. How much does |
hedgehog |
Oct-25-11 12:02 AM |
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Sometimes it is about applying a policy uniformly. |
Lisa0825 |
Oct-25-11 07:45 PM |
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If I can't find what I need at a price I am willing to pay, I do without it. |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:06 AM |
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+1111 for the Telecommuting suggestion! |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 07:18 AM |
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It's pretty rare in the U. S. that one cannot find an IT skill set at the right price. |
SharonAnn |
Oct-25-11 09:08 PM |
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Today's High School Graduates Have Far Lower Skills Than 20 Year Ago... |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-24-11 11:43 PM |
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This is all true. |
ThomCat |
Oct-25-11 12:56 AM |
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What skills are you talking about? |
rfranklin |
Oct-25-11 06:12 AM |
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here is a list |
reggie the dog |
Oct-25-11 07:04 AM |
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+1000 NYC_SKP |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 02:17 AM |
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Republicans think learning is literal. |
Beartracks |
Oct-25-11 02:43 AM |
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"Is our children learning?" |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 03:47 PM |
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That employer was, ultimately, US! |
Beartracks |
Oct-25-11 08:37 PM |
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+1 |
stevedeshazer |
Oct-25-11 03:06 AM |
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I think one untaught skill trumps all those except maybe the first two. |
Chan790 |
Oct-25-11 07:10 AM |
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Your second sentence is entirely true. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:51 AM |
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I actually saw someone on a writing forum ask |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 08:17 AM |
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Home ec and shop need to be unisexed, or even combined. :^) |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:39 AM |
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I agree. |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 11:29 AM |
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I'm an English teacher, and we're working on it. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-25-11 09:09 AM |
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People who don't read aren't going to learn to write. |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:33 AM |
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This is it in a nutshell. If kids don't see their parents reading books, magazines, |
LuckyLib |
Oct-25-11 05:30 PM |
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The point is that you learn to think critically by doing things, trying |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 03:57 PM |
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I totally disagree about home ec and shop |
arikara |
Oct-25-11 04:22 PM |
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Standardized tests are ruining America. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:46 AM |
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Standardized tests do one thing and one thing only. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Oct-25-11 08:40 AM |
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You are entirely correct. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-25-11 09:13 AM |
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But then again, those who graduated 20 years ago are still working |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-25-11 09:55 AM |
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that's the opposite of what the corporations are saying |
Enrique |
Oct-25-11 04:40 PM |
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Playing, the arts, use of tools, all contribute to problem solving skills, critical thinking... |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-25-11 09:33 PM |
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No one wants to work for what they are trying to force us to take is what I think the problem is |
madokie |
Oct-24-11 11:47 PM |
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You are right Madokie, It's all about the money. |
fasttense |
Oct-25-11 05:54 AM |
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But isn't that the whole point? |
nxylas |
Oct-25-11 06:20 AM |
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Yes, it's all about the money. They want to pay crap for highly skilled folks who |
TBF |
Oct-25-11 06:43 AM |
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In my field, they won't even consider anyone with less than two years of experience. |
wickerwoman |
Oct-25-11 12:50 AM |
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There are a number of positions I find impossible to hire for. |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 02:31 AM |
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Do you really need both those things in the same person? |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:15 AM |
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They are two unique roles that are both difficult to fill |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 04:18 AM |
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I meet both... |
Chan790 |
Oct-25-11 07:19 AM |
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Really... |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 03:49 PM |
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At this point, |
Chan790 |
Oct-26-11 12:53 PM |
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Here's the issue: they want 1 person w/ fresh skills & 20 yrs exper. to work for entry-level wages |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:05 AM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:16 AM |
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Frankly it is always a combination of factors |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-25-11 03:10 AM |
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Think simpler. They want excuses for H1 visas to get indentured labor |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-25-11 03:17 AM |
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You assume that US workers have any more rights. Speak up and your ass is out the door - might as |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:30 AM |
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you have to introduce more than one competing party to get people to fight amongst themselves. |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-26-11 03:58 AM |
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Reminds me of a guy looking for someone with looks, brains, a family fortune and a perfect |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:23 AM |
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Double-Plus + + for a good metaphor |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:32 AM |
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Yap. You will be so proud of working for us. |
Celefin |
Oct-25-11 04:35 AM |
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High School Vocational training died decades ago... |
IthinkThereforeIAM |
Oct-25-11 04:31 AM |
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I think the reason for that is the argument that we have vocational schools for that purpose. |
dddem |
Oct-25-11 05:22 AM |
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we still have our vocational school |
Maine-ah |
Oct-25-11 05:59 AM |
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Bingo! |
BumRushDaShow |
Oct-25-11 04:40 AM |
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Cowards! |
liberal N proud |
Oct-25-11 04:57 AM |
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There was a piece on CNN over the weekend about a company |
Vinca |
Oct-25-11 06:17 AM |
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We sure have a head start in that direction, though! |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 07:01 AM |
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Wait until the Republicans try to repeal the minimum wage, and people are making $0.50 / hour |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:34 AM |
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That's what I made on an ordinary clerical job -- Twenty five years ago in 1986 ! |
whathehell |
Oct-25-11 09:23 PM |
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Employers want you to be currently employed, they want you to have a good credit score, they want |
ck4829 |
Oct-25-11 06:20 AM |
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Usually the problem isn't even just filling a position. |
JoeyT |
Oct-25-11 07:00 AM |
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"without any training or ramp-up time" - This is EXACTLY the problem. |
MessiahRp |
Oct-25-11 07:13 AM |
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Delete--dupe. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-25-11 07:47 AM |
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Let me translate... |
Javaman |
Oct-25-11 07:52 AM |
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My experience looking for an entry-level position last year. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 08:00 AM |
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Did you see my translation right above your post? |
Javaman |
Oct-25-11 08:16 AM |
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Entry level and requiring 5+ years experience would seem to be mutually exclusive, would you think? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Oct-25-11 10:06 AM |
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I've had a similar experience! nt |
alp227 |
Oct-26-11 12:57 AM |
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Deming complained of this 50 years ago, it is one of the worse aspects of US Managment |
happyslug |
Oct-25-11 08:21 AM |
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& japan took that idea & moved to other countries. |
xchrom |
Oct-25-11 09:08 AM |
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Deming is sufficiently revered in Japan there is a prize awarded in his name ... |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:47 AM |
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It's true. My brother took a job recently and they gave him ZERO orientation or training |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Oct-25-11 08:51 AM |
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One thing this article glaring omitted: employer-employee loyalty |
meow2u3 |
Oct-25-11 09:03 AM |
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This should be the Thread Of The Day -- lots of excellent discussion. |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 11:02 AM |
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part of the problem is that the standard interview process sucks. |
unblock |
Oct-25-11 12:44 PM |
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Very much so. An interview can be such a hack job now. It's bullshit |
Populist_Prole |
Oct-25-11 01:47 PM |
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It's the appearance of skills rather than actual skill - It's a disease in corporate culture |
DaveJ |
Oct-25-11 06:49 PM |
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PLUS they must already have a job, PLUS they can't |
annabanana |
Oct-25-11 02:06 PM |
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And cheaply.. n/t |
EC |
Oct-25-11 03:57 PM |
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Got laid off in January 2010. I finally made the decision late this summer that |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Oct-25-11 04:26 PM |
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How can we compete against multi-nationals who use prison labor for 5 cents and hour? |
lib2DaBone |
Oct-25-11 04:27 PM |
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exactly-and have set up the conditions for countrywide slave |
katty |
Oct-25-11 04:38 PM |
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They also want people who will work for next to nothing, no benefits no job security. |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-25-11 04:28 PM |
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True. A friend of mine got laid off from the same place I did in 2010. |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Oct-25-11 04:48 PM |
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True dat! |
FloriTexan |
Oct-25-11 05:31 PM |
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More hogwash from the journal of the 1% |
NICO9000 |
Oct-25-11 06:09 PM |
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I thought they say that to justify the H1B employees they get shipped over here. nt |
valerief |
Oct-25-11 06:14 PM |
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Why don't they set up seminars in High Schools to tell students what they need? They just want |
1776Forever |
Oct-25-11 06:14 PM |
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Company Job training is essential. It would greatly benefit the companies. |
DaveJ |
Oct-25-11 07:01 PM |
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Employers want a magical employee to show up, grow their company, increase profits and do it for low |
harun |
Oct-25-11 06:37 PM |
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+1000. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-26-11 07:39 AM |
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excellent!!! n/t |
handmade34 |
Oct-25-11 07:16 PM |
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They WANT folks who work 70hrs a week for minimum wage.... |
OwnedByFerrets |
Oct-25-11 08:01 PM |
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It used to be....not so very long ago.....that employers paid for "continuing education'.... |
BillyJack |
Oct-25-11 08:54 PM |
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Companies are also posting their jobs anonymously on |
savalez |
Oct-25-11 08:57 PM |
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A good company is hard to find |
DaveJ |
Oct-26-11 07:35 AM |
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Or boyfriend. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-26-11 07:37 AM |
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I think you may be on to something about who the culprits are... |
midnight |
Oct-25-11 09:11 PM |
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companies' hiring problems should be blamed on the MBAs. |
provis99 |
Oct-25-11 10:06 PM |
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That explains a lot |
DaveJ |
Oct-26-11 07:34 AM |
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I've been looking for a job |
TheFarseer |
Oct-25-11 11:00 PM |
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That is indeed true. |
tcaudilllg |
Oct-25-11 11:30 PM |
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Schools aren't giving kids the right training, because ... |
Myrina |
Oct-26-11 08:10 AM |
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Bargain Basement Employees |
dash_bannon |
Oct-26-11 10:22 AM |
#113 |
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