Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Oct-25-11 10:06 AM
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| 59. Entry level and requiring 5+ years experience would seem to be mutually exclusive, would you think? |
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I hear you!
My husband's company has been raising the bar when filling new positions for a number of years now. (Well, unless you go to the same church as the VPs, but that's another issue completely.)
I know exactly why they are doing it too. They've significantly reduced the staff necessary to mentor/train new hires. Training costs are an area where companies are slashing budgets and one way to do that is hire someone who requires minimal training. It's ridiculous. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face in my opinion.
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| -Why Companies Aren't Getting the Employees They Need |
Kennah |
Oct-24-11 11:16 PM |
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"Employers here at home rightly point to a significant |
hedgehog |
Oct-24-11 11:28 PM |
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I can top that :/ |
Celefin |
Oct-25-11 04:45 AM |
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Anyone these days who has a 'sense of loyalty' to their employers nowadays, |
raccoon |
Oct-25-11 07:44 AM |
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At the end of the week, if you've done good work and you get a paycheck, you're even. |
SharonAnn |
Oct-25-11 02:13 PM |
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Then employers can't expect any more "loyalty" or "stability" than that either. n/t |
whathehell |
Oct-25-11 04:11 PM |
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After you've worked yourself to the bone & make decent pay |
lark |
Oct-25-11 05:33 PM |
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happened to me too. |
MsFlorida |
Oct-25-11 08:01 PM |
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Loyalty is a two way mutha Fing street. |
Confusious |
Oct-25-11 08:39 PM |
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The response to that should be ... |
markpkessinger |
Oct-25-11 06:06 PM |
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Hmmm |
Lithos |
Oct-24-11 11:29 PM |
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So, say it costs X dollars to move a person. How much does |
hedgehog |
Oct-25-11 12:02 AM |
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Sometimes it is about applying a policy uniformly. |
Lisa0825 |
Oct-25-11 07:45 PM |
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If I can't find what I need at a price I am willing to pay, I do without it. |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:06 AM |
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+1111 for the Telecommuting suggestion! |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 07:18 AM |
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It's pretty rare in the U. S. that one cannot find an IT skill set at the right price. |
SharonAnn |
Oct-25-11 09:08 PM |
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Today's High School Graduates Have Far Lower Skills Than 20 Year Ago... |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-24-11 11:43 PM |
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This is all true. |
ThomCat |
Oct-25-11 12:56 AM |
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What skills are you talking about? |
rfranklin |
Oct-25-11 06:12 AM |
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here is a list |
reggie the dog |
Oct-25-11 07:04 AM |
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+1000 NYC_SKP |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 02:17 AM |
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Republicans think learning is literal. |
Beartracks |
Oct-25-11 02:43 AM |
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"Is our children learning?" |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 03:47 PM |
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That employer was, ultimately, US! |
Beartracks |
Oct-25-11 08:37 PM |
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+1 |
stevedeshazer |
Oct-25-11 03:06 AM |
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I think one untaught skill trumps all those except maybe the first two. |
Chan790 |
Oct-25-11 07:10 AM |
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Your second sentence is entirely true. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:51 AM |
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I actually saw someone on a writing forum ask |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 08:17 AM |
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Home ec and shop need to be unisexed, or even combined. :^) |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:39 AM |
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I agree. |
kentauros |
Oct-25-11 11:29 AM |
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I'm an English teacher, and we're working on it. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-25-11 09:09 AM |
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People who don't read aren't going to learn to write. |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:33 AM |
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This is it in a nutshell. If kids don't see their parents reading books, magazines, |
LuckyLib |
Oct-25-11 05:30 PM |
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The point is that you learn to think critically by doing things, trying |
JDPriestly |
Oct-25-11 03:57 PM |
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I totally disagree about home ec and shop |
arikara |
Oct-25-11 04:22 PM |
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Standardized tests are ruining America. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:46 AM |
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Standardized tests do one thing and one thing only. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Oct-25-11 08:40 AM |
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You are entirely correct. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-25-11 09:13 AM |
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But then again, those who graduated 20 years ago are still working |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-25-11 09:55 AM |
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that's the opposite of what the corporations are saying |
Enrique |
Oct-25-11 04:40 PM |
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Playing, the arts, use of tools, all contribute to problem solving skills, critical thinking... |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-25-11 09:33 PM |
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No one wants to work for what they are trying to force us to take is what I think the problem is |
madokie |
Oct-24-11 11:47 PM |
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You are right Madokie, It's all about the money. |
fasttense |
Oct-25-11 05:54 AM |
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But isn't that the whole point? |
nxylas |
Oct-25-11 06:20 AM |
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Yes, it's all about the money. They want to pay crap for highly skilled folks who |
TBF |
Oct-25-11 06:43 AM |
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In my field, they won't even consider anyone with less than two years of experience. |
wickerwoman |
Oct-25-11 12:50 AM |
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There are a number of positions I find impossible to hire for. |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 02:31 AM |
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Do you really need both those things in the same person? |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:15 AM |
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They are two unique roles that are both difficult to fill |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 04:18 AM |
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I meet both... |
Chan790 |
Oct-25-11 07:19 AM |
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Really... |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-25-11 03:49 PM |
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At this point, |
Chan790 |
Oct-26-11 12:53 PM |
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Here's the issue: they want 1 person w/ fresh skills & 20 yrs exper. to work for entry-level wages |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:05 AM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:16 AM |
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Frankly it is always a combination of factors |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-25-11 03:10 AM |
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Think simpler. They want excuses for H1 visas to get indentured labor |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-25-11 03:17 AM |
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You assume that US workers have any more rights. Speak up and your ass is out the door - might as |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:30 AM |
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you have to introduce more than one competing party to get people to fight amongst themselves. |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-26-11 03:58 AM |
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Reminds me of a guy looking for someone with looks, brains, a family fortune and a perfect |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 03:23 AM |
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Double-Plus + + for a good metaphor |
leveymg |
Oct-25-11 03:32 AM |
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Yap. You will be so proud of working for us. |
Celefin |
Oct-25-11 04:35 AM |
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High School Vocational training died decades ago... |
IthinkThereforeIAM |
Oct-25-11 04:31 AM |
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I think the reason for that is the argument that we have vocational schools for that purpose. |
dddem |
Oct-25-11 05:22 AM |
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we still have our vocational school |
Maine-ah |
Oct-25-11 05:59 AM |
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Bingo! |
BumRushDaShow |
Oct-25-11 04:40 AM |
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Cowards! |
liberal N proud |
Oct-25-11 04:57 AM |
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There was a piece on CNN over the weekend about a company |
Vinca |
Oct-25-11 06:17 AM |
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We sure have a head start in that direction, though! |
No Elephants |
Oct-25-11 07:01 AM |
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Wait until the Republicans try to repeal the minimum wage, and people are making $0.50 / hour |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 07:34 AM |
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That's what I made on an ordinary clerical job -- Twenty five years ago in 1986 ! |
whathehell |
Oct-25-11 09:23 PM |
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Employers want you to be currently employed, they want you to have a good credit score, they want |
ck4829 |
Oct-25-11 06:20 AM |
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Usually the problem isn't even just filling a position. |
JoeyT |
Oct-25-11 07:00 AM |
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"without any training or ramp-up time" - This is EXACTLY the problem. |
MessiahRp |
Oct-25-11 07:13 AM |
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Delete--dupe. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-25-11 07:47 AM |
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Let me translate... |
Javaman |
Oct-25-11 07:52 AM |
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My experience looking for an entry-level position last year. |
chrisa |
Oct-25-11 08:00 AM |
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Did you see my translation right above your post? |
Javaman |
Oct-25-11 08:16 AM |
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Entry level and requiring 5+ years experience would seem to be mutually exclusive, would you think? |
Pacifist Patriot |
Oct-25-11 10:06 AM |
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I've had a similar experience! nt |
alp227 |
Oct-26-11 12:57 AM |
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Deming complained of this 50 years ago, it is one of the worse aspects of US Managment |
happyslug |
Oct-25-11 08:21 AM |
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& japan took that idea & moved to other countries. |
xchrom |
Oct-25-11 09:08 AM |
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Deming is sufficiently revered in Japan there is a prize awarded in his name ... |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 10:47 AM |
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It's true. My brother took a job recently and they gave him ZERO orientation or training |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Oct-25-11 08:51 AM |
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One thing this article glaring omitted: employer-employee loyalty |
meow2u3 |
Oct-25-11 09:03 AM |
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This should be the Thread Of The Day -- lots of excellent discussion. |
eppur_se_muova |
Oct-25-11 11:02 AM |
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part of the problem is that the standard interview process sucks. |
unblock |
Oct-25-11 12:44 PM |
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Very much so. An interview can be such a hack job now. It's bullshit |
Populist_Prole |
Oct-25-11 01:47 PM |
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It's the appearance of skills rather than actual skill - It's a disease in corporate culture |
DaveJ |
Oct-25-11 06:49 PM |
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PLUS they must already have a job, PLUS they can't |
annabanana |
Oct-25-11 02:06 PM |
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And cheaply.. n/t |
EC |
Oct-25-11 03:57 PM |
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Got laid off in January 2010. I finally made the decision late this summer that |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Oct-25-11 04:26 PM |
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How can we compete against multi-nationals who use prison labor for 5 cents and hour? |
lib2DaBone |
Oct-25-11 04:27 PM |
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exactly-and have set up the conditions for countrywide slave |
katty |
Oct-25-11 04:38 PM |
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They also want people who will work for next to nothing, no benefits no job security. |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-25-11 04:28 PM |
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True. A friend of mine got laid off from the same place I did in 2010. |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Oct-25-11 04:48 PM |
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True dat! |
FloriTexan |
Oct-25-11 05:31 PM |
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More hogwash from the journal of the 1% |
NICO9000 |
Oct-25-11 06:09 PM |
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I thought they say that to justify the H1B employees they get shipped over here. nt |
valerief |
Oct-25-11 06:14 PM |
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Why don't they set up seminars in High Schools to tell students what they need? They just want |
1776Forever |
Oct-25-11 06:14 PM |
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Company Job training is essential. It would greatly benefit the companies. |
DaveJ |
Oct-25-11 07:01 PM |
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Employers want a magical employee to show up, grow their company, increase profits and do it for low |
harun |
Oct-25-11 06:37 PM |
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+1000. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-26-11 07:39 AM |
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excellent!!! n/t |
handmade34 |
Oct-25-11 07:16 PM |
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They WANT folks who work 70hrs a week for minimum wage.... |
OwnedByFerrets |
Oct-25-11 08:01 PM |
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It used to be....not so very long ago.....that employers paid for "continuing education'.... |
BillyJack |
Oct-25-11 08:54 PM |
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Companies are also posting their jobs anonymously on |
savalez |
Oct-25-11 08:57 PM |
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A good company is hard to find |
DaveJ |
Oct-26-11 07:35 AM |
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Or boyfriend. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-26-11 07:37 AM |
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I think you may be on to something about who the culprits are... |
midnight |
Oct-25-11 09:11 PM |
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companies' hiring problems should be blamed on the MBAs. |
provis99 |
Oct-25-11 10:06 PM |
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That explains a lot |
DaveJ |
Oct-26-11 07:34 AM |
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I've been looking for a job |
TheFarseer |
Oct-25-11 11:00 PM |
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That is indeed true. |
tcaudilllg |
Oct-25-11 11:30 PM |
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Schools aren't giving kids the right training, because ... |
Myrina |
Oct-26-11 08:10 AM |
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Bargain Basement Employees |
dash_bannon |
Oct-26-11 10:22 AM |
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