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27. I think the reason for that is the argument that we have vocational schools for that purpose.
Trouble is, the vocational schools are becoming so concerned about their graduates going on to college, that they are starting to defeat the purpose for their existance. Kids who, a generation ago, would have been the perfect tech/voc school student (hands on, not book learning type of student) can no longer pass the entrance exam to get into the tech/voc school, so they go to the traditional high school where all of the "shop" classes have been cut, because of the tech/voc schools, where they can't possibly succeed.
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  -Why Companies Aren't Getting the Employees They Need Kennah  Oct-24-11 11:16 PM   #0 
  - "Employers here at home rightly point to a significant  hedgehog   Oct-24-11 11:28 PM   #1 
  - I can top that :/  Celefin   Oct-25-11 04:45 AM   #25 
  - Anyone these days who has a 'sense of loyalty' to their employers nowadays,  raccoon   Oct-25-11 07:44 AM   #43 
  - At the end of the week, if you've done good work and you get a paycheck, you're even.  SharonAnn   Oct-25-11 02:13 PM   #68 
  - Then employers can't expect any more "loyalty" or "stability" than that either. n/t  whathehell   Oct-25-11 04:11 PM   #73 
  - After you've worked yourself to the bone & make decent pay  lark   Oct-25-11 05:33 PM   #83 
     - happened to me too.  MsFlorida   Oct-25-11 08:01 PM   #94 
  - Loyalty is a two way mutha Fing street.  Confusious   Oct-25-11 08:39 PM   #96 
  - The response to that should be ...  markpkessinger   Oct-25-11 06:06 PM   #84 
  - Hmmm  Lithos   Oct-24-11 11:29 PM   #2 
  - So, say it costs X dollars to move a person. How much does  hedgehog   Oct-25-11 12:02 AM   #5 
  - Sometimes it is about applying a policy uniformly.  Lisa0825   Oct-25-11 07:45 PM   #92 
  - If I can't find what I need at a price I am willing to pay, I do without it.  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:06 AM   #12 
  - +1111 for the Telecommuting suggestion!  kentauros   Oct-25-11 07:18 AM   #40 
  - It's pretty rare in the U. S. that one cannot find an IT skill set at the right price.  SharonAnn   Oct-25-11 09:08 PM   #99 
  - Today's High School Graduates Have Far Lower Skills Than 20 Year Ago...  NYC_SKP   Oct-24-11 11:43 PM   #3 
  - This is all true.  ThomCat   Oct-25-11 12:56 AM   #7 
  - What skills are you talking about?  rfranklin   Oct-25-11 06:12 AM   #30 
     - here is a list  reggie the dog   Oct-25-11 07:04 AM   #37 
  - +1000 NYC_SKP  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 02:17 AM   #8 
  - Republicans think learning is literal.  Beartracks   Oct-25-11 02:43 AM   #10 
     - "Is our children learning?"  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 03:47 PM   #69 
        - That employer was, ultimately, US!  Beartracks   Oct-25-11 08:37 PM   #95 
  - +1  stevedeshazer   Oct-25-11 03:06 AM   #13 
  - I think one untaught skill trumps all those except maybe the first two.  Chan790   Oct-25-11 07:10 AM   #38 
  - Your second sentence is entirely true.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:51 AM   #46 
  - I actually saw someone on a writing forum ask  kentauros   Oct-25-11 08:17 AM   #50 
  - Home ec and shop need to be unisexed, or even combined. :^)  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:39 AM   #61 
     - I agree.  kentauros   Oct-25-11 11:29 AM   #64 
  - I'm an English teacher, and we're working on it.  knitter4democracy   Oct-25-11 09:09 AM   #56 
  - People who don't read aren't going to learn to write.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:33 AM   #60 
  - This is it in a nutshell. If kids don't see their parents reading books, magazines,  LuckyLib   Oct-25-11 05:30 PM   #81 
  - The point is that you learn to think critically by doing things, trying  JDPriestly   Oct-25-11 03:57 PM   #72 
  - I totally disagree about home ec and shop  arikara   Oct-25-11 04:22 PM   #74 
  - Standardized tests are ruining America.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:46 AM   #44 
  - Standardized tests do one thing and one thing only.  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-25-11 08:40 AM   #52 
     - You are entirely correct.  knitter4democracy   Oct-25-11 09:13 AM   #57 
  - But then again, those who graduated 20 years ago are still working  Bluenorthwest   Oct-25-11 09:55 AM   #58 
  - that's the opposite of what the corporations are saying  Enrique   Oct-25-11 04:40 PM   #79 
     - Playing, the arts, use of tools, all contribute to problem solving skills, critical thinking...  NYC_SKP   Oct-25-11 09:33 PM   #102 
  - No one wants to work for what they are trying to force us to take is what I think the problem is  madokie   Oct-24-11 11:47 PM   #4 
  - You are right Madokie, It's all about the money.  fasttense   Oct-25-11 05:54 AM   #28 
  - But isn't that the whole point?  nxylas   Oct-25-11 06:20 AM   #33 
  - Yes, it's all about the money. They want to pay crap for highly skilled folks who  TBF   Oct-25-11 06:43 AM   #34 
  - In my field, they won't even consider anyone with less than two years of experience.  wickerwoman   Oct-25-11 12:50 AM   #6 
  - There are a number of positions I find impossible to hire for.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 02:31 AM   #9 
  - Do you really need both those things in the same person?  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:15 AM   #15 
  - They are two unique roles that are both difficult to fill  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 04:18 AM   #21 
  - I meet both...  Chan790   Oct-25-11 07:19 AM   #41 
     - Really...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-25-11 03:49 PM   #70 
        - At this point,  Chan790   Oct-26-11 12:53 PM   #114 
  - Here's the issue: they want 1 person w/ fresh skills & 20 yrs exper. to work for entry-level wages  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:05 AM   #11 
  - +1  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:16 AM   #16 
  - Frankly it is always a combination of factors  Sherman A1   Oct-25-11 03:10 AM   #14 
  - Think simpler. They want excuses for H1 visas to get indentured labor  NuttyFluffers   Oct-25-11 03:17 AM   #17 
  - You assume that US workers have any more rights. Speak up and your ass is out the door - might as  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:30 AM   #19 
     - you have to introduce more than one competing party to get people to fight amongst themselves.  NuttyFluffers   Oct-26-11 03:58 AM   #107 
  - Reminds me of a guy looking for someone with looks, brains, a family fortune and a perfect  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 03:23 AM   #18 
  - Double-Plus + + for a good metaphor  leveymg   Oct-25-11 03:32 AM   #20 
  - Yap. You will be so proud of working for us.  Celefin   Oct-25-11 04:35 AM   #23 
  - High School Vocational training died decades ago...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Oct-25-11 04:31 AM   #22 
  - I think the reason for that is the argument that we have vocational schools for that purpose.  dddem   Oct-25-11 05:22 AM   #27 
  - we still have our vocational school  Maine-ah   Oct-25-11 05:59 AM   #29 
  - Bingo!  BumRushDaShow   Oct-25-11 04:40 AM   #24 
  - Cowards!  liberal N proud   Oct-25-11 04:57 AM   #26 
  - There was a piece on CNN over the weekend about a company  Vinca   Oct-25-11 06:17 AM   #31 
  - We sure have a head start in that direction, though!  No Elephants   Oct-25-11 07:01 AM   #36 
  - Wait until the Republicans try to repeal the minimum wage, and people are making $0.50 / hour  chrisa   Oct-25-11 07:34 AM   #42 
  - That's what I made on an ordinary clerical job -- Twenty five years ago in 1986 !  whathehell   Oct-25-11 09:23 PM   #101 
  - Employers want you to be currently employed, they want you to have a good credit score, they want  ck4829   Oct-25-11 06:20 AM   #32 
  - Usually the problem isn't even just filling a position.  JoeyT   Oct-25-11 07:00 AM   #35 
  - "without any training or ramp-up time" - This is EXACTLY the problem.  MessiahRp   Oct-25-11 07:13 AM   #39 
  - Delete--dupe. nt  raccoon   Oct-25-11 07:47 AM   #45 
  - Let me translate...  Javaman   Oct-25-11 07:52 AM   #47 
  - My experience looking for an entry-level position last year.  chrisa   Oct-25-11 08:00 AM   #48 
  - Did you see my translation right above your post?  Javaman   Oct-25-11 08:16 AM   #49 
  - Entry level and requiring 5+ years experience would seem to be mutually exclusive, would you think?  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-25-11 10:06 AM   #59 
  - I've had a similar experience! nt  alp227   Oct-26-11 12:57 AM   #106 
  - Deming complained of this 50 years ago, it is one of the worse aspects of US Managment  happyslug   Oct-25-11 08:21 AM   #51 
  - & japan took that idea & moved to other countries.  xchrom   Oct-25-11 09:08 AM   #55 
  - Deming is sufficiently revered in Japan there is a prize awarded in his name ...  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 10:47 AM   #62 
  - It's true. My brother took a job recently and they gave him ZERO orientation or training  ProfessionalLeftist   Oct-25-11 08:51 AM   #53 
  - One thing this article glaring omitted: employer-employee loyalty  meow2u3   Oct-25-11 09:03 AM   #54 
  - This should be the Thread Of The Day -- lots of excellent discussion.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-25-11 11:02 AM   #63 
  - part of the problem is that the standard interview process sucks.  unblock   Oct-25-11 12:44 PM   #65 
  - Very much so. An interview can be such a hack job now. It's bullshit  Populist_Prole   Oct-25-11 01:47 PM   #66 
  - It's the appearance of skills rather than actual skill - It's a disease in corporate culture  DaveJ   Oct-25-11 06:49 PM   #89 
  - PLUS they must already have a job, PLUS they can't  annabanana   Oct-25-11 02:06 PM   #67 
  - And cheaply.. n/t  EC   Oct-25-11 03:57 PM   #71 
  - Got laid off in January 2010. I finally made the decision late this summer that  SCRUBDASHRUB   Oct-25-11 04:26 PM   #75 
  - How can we compete against multi-nationals who use prison labor for 5 cents and hour?  lib2DaBone   Oct-25-11 04:27 PM   #76 
  - exactly-and have set up the conditions for countrywide slave  katty   Oct-25-11 04:38 PM   #78 
  - They also want people who will work for next to nothing, no benefits no job security.  kestrel91316   Oct-25-11 04:28 PM   #77 
  - True. A friend of mine got laid off from the same place I did in 2010.  SCRUBDASHRUB   Oct-25-11 04:48 PM   #80 
  - True dat!  FloriTexan   Oct-25-11 05:31 PM   #82 
  - More hogwash from the journal of the 1%  NICO9000   Oct-25-11 06:09 PM   #85 
  - I thought they say that to justify the H1B employees they get shipped over here. nt  valerief   Oct-25-11 06:14 PM   #86 
  - Why don't they set up seminars in High Schools to tell students what they need? They just want  1776Forever   Oct-25-11 06:14 PM   #87 
  - Company Job training is essential. It would greatly benefit the companies.  DaveJ   Oct-25-11 07:01 PM   #90 
  - Employers want a magical employee to show up, grow their company, increase profits and do it for low  harun   Oct-25-11 06:37 PM   #88 
  - +1000. nt  raccoon   Oct-26-11 07:39 AM   #111 
  - excellent!!! n/t  handmade34   Oct-25-11 07:16 PM   #91 
  - They WANT folks who work 70hrs a week for minimum wage....  OwnedByFerrets   Oct-25-11 08:01 PM   #93 
  - It used to be....not so very long ago.....that employers paid for "continuing education'....  BillyJack   Oct-25-11 08:54 PM   #97 
  - Companies are also posting their jobs anonymously on  savalez   Oct-25-11 08:57 PM   #98 
  - A good company is hard to find  DaveJ   Oct-26-11 07:35 AM   #109 
     - Or boyfriend. nt  raccoon   Oct-26-11 07:37 AM   #110 
  - I think you may be on to something about who the culprits are...  midnight   Oct-25-11 09:11 PM   #100 
  - companies' hiring problems should be blamed on the MBAs.  provis99   Oct-25-11 10:06 PM   #103 
  - That explains a lot  DaveJ   Oct-26-11 07:34 AM   #108 
  - I've been looking for a job  TheFarseer   Oct-25-11 11:00 PM   #104 
  - That is indeed true.  tcaudilllg   Oct-25-11 11:30 PM   #105 
  - Schools aren't giving kids the right training, because ...  Myrina   Oct-26-11 08:10 AM   #112 
  - Bargain Basement Employees  dash_bannon   Oct-26-11 10:22 AM   #113 

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