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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:22 PM
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50. thoughtful reply from you...and not much I'd have conflict with
being around the same age and life experiences as you......but, I probably would emphasize what you say in this paragraph as to be more where I'm coming from than waiting for hope that he even HAS a strategy that truly all of us wish for...in some aspects of the rest of your post.

What you say here is what I think is the truth of it...sadly.

"But just because I'm a strong supporter doesn't mean I approve of all of the strategic choices he seems to be making with regard to his political course. I believe that the strategy of ignoring the progressive left in order to retain and solidify support elsewhere puts him at risk of the kind of division and dissension that brought us Nixon and set off a chain of circumstances that gave us Reagan. I see that risk materializing and increasing.

I believe that a good deal of his infuriating apparent willingness to throw the poor, unions, and the middle class under the wheels to pry partial successes out of the Oligarchs and their helots is just that: apparent. That in the final analysis many of the "losses" he seems to cavalierly willing to inflict upon us are small in their actual effects and buy us gains that will materialize larger in the long run. Nevertheless, that very apparent willingness has its own, escalating cost. And if it escalates too far, the costs can result in the kind of open conflict and civil disorder that may have large costs of their own."


That "Escalating Cost" and his poor choice of Advisers (and youth that was privileged in the Ford Foundation way)is what has me desperately worried.... Desperately Worried...and I was there on the little screen TV...when Johnson, gave his "I will not Seek..." speech.

Anyway....thanks for your reply and view...and as I said...I have more to agree with you than disagree as a person of your time and general place on the Globe in views and actions of my youth.

:hug:
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  - Well done. n/t  Mojambo   Aug-15-11 03:07 PM   #2 
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     - Well said.  mzmolly   Aug-16-11 04:18 PM   #47 
     - All true. They aren't nothing.  SusanaMontana41   Aug-17-11 01:45 AM   #56 
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  - ^THIS^  TrollBuster9090   Aug-16-11 02:19 PM   #34 
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  - K&R (n/t)  a2liberal   Aug-16-11 01:57 PM   #31 
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  - I AM a strong Obama supporter. I think history will speak well of Obama.  TygrBright   Aug-16-11 04:34 PM   #48 
     - thoughtful reply from you...and not much I'd have conflict with  KoKo   Aug-16-11 05:22 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-16-11 03:08 PM   #42 
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