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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 08:53 AM
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3. Here we go again.
Edited on Sat Apr-30-11 09:06 AM by Buzz Clik
Alternet has given lots of ink to Huber, and very little attention to the growing number of research institutions who are refuting his claims. So, Huber writes another letter, and Alternet is back in business.

Consider this contradiction:

From the first page of the article: "While his first letter described research that was not yet complete or published, his second letter cited much more evidence about glyphosate and genetically engineered crops based on studies that have already been published in peer-reviewed journals."

This states that Huber is making his case by citing a lot of published literature. But, here comes this at the end of the article:

"But there is already a major story here: the lack of independent research on GMOs, the reluctance of U.S. journals to publish studies critical of glyphosate and GMOs, and the near total silence from the media on Huber's leaked letter."

Well, which is it? Does Huber have published evidence support his claims, or is there a conspiracy to keep critical data out of the literature? It simply cannot be both.

This is the problem with taking your case to the popular media before vetting it in the scientific arena. Huber knows this but went forward with it anyway. Makes you wonder why.
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  -Why Is Damning New Evidence About Monsanto's Most Widely Used Herbicide Being Silenced? marmar  Apr-30-11 08:22 AM   #0 
  - Russian RT News had a documentary on the general subject recently  dipsydoodle   Apr-30-11 08:35 AM   #1 
  - I just read the article  Botany   Apr-30-11 08:36 AM   #2 
  - I thought it was obvious it was using AIDS as an analogy,  ThomCat   May-01-11 12:58 AM   #9 
  - and it was a very poor analogy at that  Botany   May-01-11 07:27 AM   #14 
  - hmm...  chervilant   May-01-11 03:36 PM   #33 
  - Here we go again.  Buzz Clik   Apr-30-11 08:53 AM   #3 
  - The article mentioned that he cited a European journal at least once.  ThomCat   May-01-11 01:00 AM   #10 
  - If the only citation was a single European journal, then he has scant evidence.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 08:27 AM   #15 
  - From the O.P., I gleaned that Huber sent the letter  dotymed   May-01-11 10:19 AM   #16 
  - The whole problem was the Huber sent the letter through a third party, and the policy ...  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:02 PM   #20 
  - Check out  proverbialwisdom   May-01-11 10:53 AM   #17 
  - If any of that were true, there would be a 100% turnover in the editorial staff at Nature.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:09 PM   #21 
     - Oh?  proverbialwisdom   May-01-11 03:41 PM   #35 
        - "All this speaks for itself, doesn't it?" I have no idea.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 03:50 PM   #38 
           - OMG!  chervilant   May-01-11 06:55 PM   #42 
              - That was my reaction to your obsessed website. It reminds of the crap compiled by the Truthers.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 08:59 PM   #45 
                 - hmm...  chervilant   May-01-11 09:42 PM   #51 
                 - BTW  chervilant   May-01-11 10:09 PM   #52 
  - It's amazing that people still trust and defend corporations with known dubious pasts, agendas...  L0oniX   May-01-11 12:46 PM   #19 
  - Bullshit.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:11 PM   #22 
     - Bullshit! Monsanto is always attacking little farmers because their GM shit cross pollinates...  L0oniX   May-01-11 01:13 PM   #23 
     - Shill? No. I receive no money from any corporations of any kind. I just hate bullshit.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:18 PM   #25 
        - Probably more of them than you ...and worked on them too.  L0oniX   May-01-11 01:24 PM   #26 
        - Wrong answer.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:43 PM   #29 
           - mainstream/corporate farmers I don't know any of those sociopaths.  L0oniX   May-01-11 01:50 PM   #30 
           - So, any farmer that wants GM crops is a corporate sociopath.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 03:49 PM   #37 
              - "any farmer" nice reframe attempt. You are obviously not worth communicating with.  L0oniX   May-01-11 07:14 PM   #43 
                 - Then let me rephrase:  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 09:00 PM   #46 
           - What's the matter? Your Monsanto Stock Pices faltering?  Grinchie   May-02-11 04:02 AM   #53 
              - Notice  chervilant   May-05-11 01:33 PM   #65 
        - Try saving any of the harvested bt corn seed for re-planting and they  russspeakeasy   May-01-11 01:30 PM   #27 
           - Yeah. Try saving money by photocopying a book. Same problem.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:42 PM   #28 
              - I don't think you get it. It's a Patent, they own the patent.  russspeakeasy   May-01-11 03:32 PM   #32 
                 - They patent the modified crop itself. If you want Roundup Ready, you pay.l  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 03:48 PM   #36 
     - Ignorance is bliss.  chervilant   May-01-11 07:20 PM   #44 
     - tsk tsk.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 09:05 PM   #47 
        - hmph!  chervilant   May-01-11 09:28 PM   #49 
        - You are a shill buzzzzzzzz. Goodbye.  russspeakeasy   May-02-11 11:07 AM   #54 
        - Buzz, Tone of Speech does matter.  PurgedVoter   May-02-11 04:44 PM   #55 
           - One at a time:  Buzz Clik   May-02-11 09:02 PM   #56 
              - I rather do not appreciate your approach.  PurgedVoter   May-03-11 11:01 AM   #60 
              - Unsupported? Not likely.  Buzz Clik   May-03-11 01:29 PM   #61 
                 - hmm...  chervilant   May-05-11 01:14 PM   #63 
              - hmm...  chervilant   May-05-11 01:30 PM   #64 
     - As a small farmer, I don't want these products.  fasttense   May-03-11 04:29 AM   #58 
  - hmm...  chervilant   May-01-11 06:38 PM   #41 
     - This is getting silly.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 09:15 PM   #48 
        - Silly?  chervilant   May-01-11 09:40 PM   #50 
  - Full strength vinegar will kill any plant you don't want.  WhiteTara   Apr-30-11 09:18 AM   #4 
  - Okay. It is sunny, and I just dumped vinegar on ten seedlings.  Buzz Clik   May-01-11 01:17 PM   #24 
     - Probably a day or two. Let me know.  WhiteTara   May-01-11 03:08 PM   #31 
     - How old are the seedlings?  fasttense   May-03-11 04:38 AM   #59 
  - "penned a confidential letter to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack"  bvar22   Apr-30-11 12:18 PM   #5 
  - Ain't it funny how over the last two years plus, we all  truedelphi   May-01-11 01:44 AM   #11 
  - +1  pscot   Apr-30-11 04:13 PM   #6 
  - Corporate donations one presumes.  MasonJar   Apr-30-11 04:32 PM   #7 
  - Because the FDA and Homeland security is being run by the former  midnight   Apr-30-11 10:03 PM   #8 
  - k & r  girl gone mad   May-01-11 04:29 AM   #12 
  - Letters to individuals  skepticscott   May-01-11 06:56 AM   #13 
  - Recommended  somone   May-01-11 11:11 AM   #18 
  - I'll tell you why: because it doesn't pass the smell test.  Capitalocracy   May-01-11 03:39 PM   #34 
  - Ripe Round Up Award Ear of Corn Trophy on Webkinz....  Dont call me Shirley   May-01-11 04:32 PM   #39 
  - kick  Stuart G   May-01-11 04:33 PM   #40 
  - Monsanto is the Osama Bin Laden of corporations.  avaistheone1   May-03-11 02:31 AM   #57 
  - Marmar, may I direct you to an article I wrote  truedelphi   May-03-11 02:03 PM   #62 

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