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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:26 AM
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8. Hillary and Obama on H-1b
Hillary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOW0cUaGWZU

Obama

Tech workers dealt setback in H-1B case (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135952/Tech_wor... )

Appeals court affirms lower court decision, cites lack of 'standing'
By Patrick Thibodeau
July 27, 2009 07:45 PM ET

The U.S. Court of Appeals in Philadelphia has ruled against the tech workers that have been fighting a federal decision to allow foreign students to work on a student visa from one year to 29 months.

The Programmers Guild and others fighting the student visa extension, approved during President Bush's administration and subsequently backed by President Obama, argued that the extension was a backdoor H-1B increase that has brought more competition to the labor market, hurting wages and job prospects of U.S. workers.

The Bush administration extended the visa in 2008 because of the high demand for H-1B visas at the time, and concern that students, unable to get a visa, would return.

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  -Is H1B Policy to Blame for Shortage of U.S.-born Technology Graduates? mule_train  Nov-03-09 09:58 AM   #0 
  - No, its our own damn education system, giving gobs of $$$ to football programs  Taverner   Nov-03-09 10:03 AM   #1 
  - I agree.  juno jones   Nov-03-09 10:59 AM   #12 
  - winning games while losing jobs - the priorities of an imbecile nation nt  mule_train   Nov-03-09 11:00 AM   #13 
  - The truth is in the middle. Both you and OhioChick are not incorrect...  Deja Q   Nov-05-09 05:23 PM   #43 
  - well, not entirely, but it doesn't help  ixion   Nov-03-09 10:04 AM   #2 
  - It's true. Enrollment is dropping because it is seen as a dead end  Go2Peace   Nov-04-09 03:16 AM   #39 
  - Many if not most H1-b were educated in US schools.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-03-09 10:05 AM   #3 
  - Right, and US students sometimes have difficulty understanding their TAs in math, science, etc.nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 11:15 AM   #18 
  - OH!! Did you go there???? SOMEBODY FINALLY SAID IT!! n/t  Fire1   Nov-03-09 02:23 PM   #31 
  - Many do get an education here but far more come over on not just H1-B but other visa progs  Go2Peace   Nov-04-09 03:19 AM   #40 
  - Wow, what an obscene quote from the CEO of SAS in there  Newsjock   Nov-03-09 10:05 AM   #4 
  - It doesn't help that a Ph. D likely means $50-$80 thousand in debt for a graduate.  caseymoz   Nov-03-09 12:30 PM   #24 
  - Fed Funding for graduate school was cut in the late '60s because it kept folks out of the draft.  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 01:14 PM   #27 
     - I wasn't aware of that cut. Interesting they didn't reinstitute it in the 70s. nt  caseymoz   Nov-03-09 02:21 PM   #30 
        - Yes, I've always been fascinated by that. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 02:34 PM   #33 
  - Why does he need a PhD to write code?  SharonAnn   Nov-06-09 03:36 PM   #46 
  - Its not the visas fault American students can't do math or science  stray cat   Nov-03-09 10:20 AM   #5 
  - no, but it's the visa's fault that math and science wages have been demolished nt  mule_train   Nov-03-09 10:21 AM   #6 
  - All the math/science hype is a cruel joke  ramapo   Nov-03-09 10:26 AM   #9 
  - India and China don't screw their own citizens who study math and science  mule_train   Nov-03-09 10:29 AM   #11 
     - Better yet...US should learn not to screw Teachers!  Vehl   Nov-03-09 01:30 PM   #28 
        - Hey newbie! NAIL ON THE HEAD!! n/t  Fire1   Nov-03-09 02:24 PM   #32 
           - Ty:) one of my professor's is getting laid off this sem ...  Vehl   Nov-03-09 02:38 PM   #35 
  - Now you understand how folks in the construction and eldercare fields feel. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 11:13 AM   #17 
  - I've always been against destruction of ANY jobs  mule_train   Nov-03-09 11:16 AM   #19 
     - I, too, study labor. And I was glad to see your note. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 11:18 AM   #21 
  - No, see #24. It was changes made to higher ed. under Reagan  caseymoz   Nov-03-09 12:34 PM   #25 
  - Deleted  Go2Peace   Nov-04-09 03:25 AM   #42 
  - Will you just please SHUT it with the Repuke talking points already?  HughBeaumont   Nov-03-09 11:07 AM   #14 
  - I teach relativity to high school students.  girl gone mad   Nov-03-09 12:48 PM   #26 
  - Stray cat, we already know your background.  Go2Peace   Nov-04-09 03:24 AM   #41 
  - Chicken or the egg, maybe students see NO INCENTIVE TO LEARN OR USE THOSE CONCEPTS...  Deja Q   Nov-05-09 05:24 PM   #44 
  - Neither can most of the H1B's I've worked with  The Traveler   Nov-06-09 02:58 AM   #45 
  - The irony is....  ramapo   Nov-03-09 10:21 AM   #7 
  - Hillary and Obama on H-1b  mule_train   Nov-03-09 10:26 AM   #8 
  - Of course it is  LiberalEsto   Nov-03-09 10:29 AM   #10 
  - Hmmm....  OhioChick   Nov-03-09 11:08 AM   #15 
  - thanks for the great links! n/t  ccinamon   Nov-03-09 11:18 AM   #22 
  - In part, yes. Not only are US-born kids crowded out, as undergraduates they often complain  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 11:12 AM   #16 
     - I had TA's that could barely speak English AT ALL  mule_train   Nov-03-09 11:17 AM   #20 
     - I had an Intro to US Govt. prof from Korea whom I could not understand, AND  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 11:19 AM   #23 
     - I'ts not just us-born kids who suffer cos of ta's  Vehl   Nov-03-09 01:53 PM   #29 
        - Yes it's up to students to prepare, but they're paying those teachers and TAs. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 02:36 PM   #34 
           - true.  Vehl   Nov-03-09 02:43 PM   #36 
              - At Univ. Toronto, we TAs were paid something like $20 an hour. I can't remember  Captain Hilts   Nov-03-09 02:50 PM   #37 
                 - wow! thats pretty good pay!  Vehl   Nov-03-09 03:03 PM   #38 
 

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