nightrain
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Sat Oct-31-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #83 |
| 85. yeah, after all the time, money and effort, we get a POS bill. |
| -The Public Option in Congress Is Now a Sham. Who Cares If Lieberman Kills It? |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 10:56 PM |
#0 |
 -
After 8 years of bush, this is what the Democratic party has become? |
still_one |
Oct-30-09 11:01 PM |
#1 |
 -
Or start running against incumbents in primaries n/t |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:02 AM |
#30 |
| -
that's the best way to go |
yurbud |
Oct-31-09 06:01 PM |
#88 |
 -
That is what I meant by saying bring new people into the party /nt |
still_one |
Nov-01-09 09:15 AM |
#111 |
| -
I just think I'll pick up and become an ex pat. |
pattmarty |
Oct-31-09 01:49 PM |
#74 |
| -
It's very tempting isn't it?? |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 02:11 PM |
#79 |
| -
I talk to a woman, daily, at the dog park. |
Dr.Phool |
Oct-31-09 07:15 PM |
#98 |
| -
amazing isn't it what others have managed to provide for their people! |
nightrain |
Nov-01-09 09:08 AM |
#109 |
| -
Time to leave the Democratic Party |
youngharry |
Nov-01-09 07:03 PM |
#113 |
| -
After 8 years of bush, this is what the Democratic party has become? |
AlbertCat |
Oct-31-09 07:50 PM |
#100 |
| -
This guy for one |
grantcart |
Oct-30-09 11:01 PM |
#2 |
| -
So what? |
Oregone |
Oct-30-09 11:07 PM |
#3 |
| -
nah, not Dean, although I initially supported him--are you aware that he |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:09 PM |
#4 |
| -
Nice - throw Dean under the bus now |
HughMoran |
Oct-31-09 06:28 PM |
#92 |
| -
he makes mistakes at times. sometimes big ones, and I think it's okay to call him out for it |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 06:48 PM |
#96 |
| -
I read the arguments about the patents and changing the rules midstream |
HughMoran |
Oct-31-09 07:13 PM |
#97 |
| -
they originally had ?6 years, like all drugs. It wasn't anything like overnight. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 11:00 PM |
#104 |
| -
He was right last week. He's wrong this week |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:03 AM |
#31 |
| -
Dean has been intentionally wrong before |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-31-09 07:00 AM |
#39 |
| -
Well, Miles Mogulescu can eat shit and die. Alan Grayson is happy, Dean is Happy, I am happy... |
NYC_SKP |
Oct-30-09 11:09 PM |
#5 |
| -
yeah, there are some nice carrots. Are you aware that the cost for |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:17 PM |
#6 |
| -
"Long-term, this is not sustainable for middle-class folks" |
Oregone |
Oct-30-09 11:21 PM |
#10 |
| -
yep, I agree, on that greater, more macro level as well... |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:24 PM |
#13 |
| -
Ah, but by the time most the people figure out just how badly we've been had with this deal |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:24 PM |
#14 |
| -
possibly, but that's why it's so important to get out the details now |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:29 PM |
#17 |
| -
Exactly |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:39 PM |
#21 |
| -
yep, I have very very mixed feelings about the possible filibuster... |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:44 PM |
#23 |
| -
$125/person is what is in HR 676 |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:18 AM |
#34 |
| -
yeah. But not 12% of income! That's absurdly high. For 1 middle income person |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 08:46 AM |
#45 |
| -
Plus the god damn deductibles AND co pays. This is a fucking steaming................ |
pattmarty |
Oct-31-09 02:02 PM |
#77 |
| -
Exactly my point |
eridani |
Nov-01-09 02:33 AM |
#107 |
| -
AND the Republicans will have a political gold mine that'll keep on giving. |
pattmarty |
Oct-31-09 01:58 PM |
#75 |
| -
And the voters will vote against Democrats in a backlash for having |
JDPriestly |
Oct-31-09 11:02 PM |
#105 |
| -
amazing isn't it how money cn be found to kill brown babies and people, but not for real health CARE |
nightrain |
Nov-01-09 09:09 AM |
#110 |
| -
Very well said and I agree with your analysis. |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 12:33 PM |
#62 |
| -
The deductibles, co-pays and premiums will be very high |
rollingrock |
Oct-30-09 11:25 PM |
#15 |
| -
nightrain, you are correct. |
JDPriestly |
Oct-31-09 11:00 PM |
#103 |
| -
It can certainly be improved, but I'm fairly happy. |
Cant trust em |
Oct-30-09 11:17 PM |
#7 |
| -
how so? could you afford to pay these costs privately? You aren't concerned about the massive |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:32 PM |
#19 |
| -
Have you seen anything that refutes the claim that... |
Cant trust em |
Oct-30-09 11:45 PM |
#24 |
| -
actually, it's my personal experience as a healthcare practitioner that Medicare rates for |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:55 PM |
#25 |
| -
So that's not a concern for you? |
Cant trust em |
Oct-30-09 11:58 PM |
#27 |
| -
It's a concern, certainly on the macro level, but I'd rather first see |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 12:14 AM |
#28 |
| -
Then you must be HIGH or not very bright, maybe both. |
pattmarty |
Oct-31-09 02:06 PM |
#78 |
| -
"Begins" to close the donut hole? |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:20 PM |
# |
| -
The goddamn dounut hole is $4300! |
NV Whino |
Oct-30-09 11:32 PM |
#18 |
| -
They really do think we're stupid don't they? |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:38 PM |
#20 |
| -
Yes, and to judge from DU, they are right. n/t |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:20 AM |
#35 |
| -
the whole damn thing is a farse! It is a scam ..nothing but a damn scam! eom |
flyarm |
Oct-31-09 06:28 PM |
#93 |
| -
and Pelosi would never mislead us would she? |
Aragorn |
Oct-30-09 11:57 PM |
#26 |
| -
thanks for your perspective. Glad you took the time to refute the points.. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 12:23 AM |
#29 |
| -
#9 sort of reminds me of Conyers' sternly worded letters to Rove-- |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:22 AM |
#36 |
| -
Not a single one of these is worth mandated insurance. |
eridani |
Oct-31-09 01:17 AM |
#33 |
| -
Dude, you're using press release from a congress person for proof. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-31-09 09:05 AM |
#49 |
| -
These are primarily INSURANCE reforms. Nice, worthy, but not provision of health CARE. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 09:09 AM |
#50 |
| -
nobody claimed that everything was awful. Just that in balance, it's not worth doing. |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 12:31 PM |
#60 |
| -
Comes across a little whiny |
bluestateguy |
Oct-30-09 11:18 PM |
#8 |
| -
where? |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:20 PM |
#9 |
| -
I grind my teeth whenever I hear some politician say we need an "uniquely American" solution |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:21 PM |
#11 |
| -
The same |
Oregone |
Oct-30-09 11:23 PM |
#12 |
| -
indeed. As if Americans can't learn from others... it's a cover for not doing the hard work |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 11:26 PM |
#16 |
| -
it's not just that-the high level of corruption makes meaningful legislation impossible |
natrat |
Oct-31-09 08:01 AM |
#42 |
| -
exactly. good point. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 08:48 AM |
#46 |
| -
It's code for "My constituents are really stupid!" |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 12:44 PM |
#64 |
| -
let's see--45k dead each year from lack of health care--whatever bill passes won't take |
niyad |
Oct-30-09 11:40 PM |
#22 |
| -
KR |
inna |
Oct-31-09 01:12 AM |
#32 |
| -
Where are the numbers? |
juno jones |
Oct-31-09 01:31 AM |
#37 |
| -
link to the bill and some summaries-- |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 08:53 AM |
#48 |
| -
This is why I am so disappointed that people like Howard Dean and Rep Weiner are saying that it is |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-31-09 01:45 AM |
#38 |
| -
Howard Dean will say anything for any reason |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-31-09 07:09 AM |
#40 |
| -
Practical Amendments to add to the Pending Legislation: Term Limits and Campaign Finance Reform n/t |
NorthCarolina |
Oct-31-09 07:52 AM |
#41 |
| -
Is Dental health covered? |
elbram |
Oct-31-09 08:16 AM |
#43 |
| -
I haven't checked... here's a link to the bill and some summaries... |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 08:52 AM |
#47 |
| -
I'm with Miles, PO sucks and shouldn't even be considered |
4dsc |
Oct-31-09 08:36 AM |
#44 |
| -
So Liebermann should be a heroic figure for DUers if its that bad of a bill |
stray cat |
Oct-31-09 11:10 AM |
#51 |
| -
Holy Joe AND the Republicans are both heroes to the chicken littles. |
tridim |
Oct-31-09 11:24 AM |
#54 |
| -
what's so great about this bill? if you are a middle income person and |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 11:35 AM |
#55 |
| -
It's not perfect but it is significant reform |
tridim |
Oct-31-09 12:33 PM |
#61 |
| -
well, good that you will get a substantial benefit. That's important. I can now see |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 12:42 PM |
#63 |
| -
This is a Republican Bill. If it were a Democratic Bill it would look like Medicare, |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 12:55 PM |
#66 |
| -
Boner and Holy Joe hate it, and it was written by Democrats. |
tridim |
Oct-31-09 12:58 PM |
#67 |
| -
Boner and Holy Joe voted for Obamas Treasury Sect Defense They are Republicans too! |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 01:07 PM |
#71 |
| -
Come on, look at fucking Medicare in 1965 and look at this............ |
pattmarty |
Oct-31-09 02:19 PM |
#81 |
| -
sure seems like a repub bill. |
chadmak09 |
Oct-31-09 02:48 PM |
#84 |
| -
sad, and probably true. Well put! |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 03:16 PM |
#86 |
| -
+10,000..i wonder as well is it the young that are supporting this shit because they are just so |
flyarm |
Oct-31-09 06:38 PM |
#95 |
| -
I'm at the point where I'd welcome a filibuster that would shoot this bill down in flames |
Rozlee |
Oct-31-09 11:13 PM |
#106 |
| -
For many reasons I think Lieberman's a snake. But, about this |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 11:38 AM |
#57 |
| -
Many DUers Whined When Progressives Warned That This Would Be The Outcome |
ProleNoMore |
Oct-31-09 11:22 AM |
#52 |
| -
Reports, incredible as they may seem, are not the results of mass hysteria!! |
JTFrog |
Oct-31-09 07:29 PM |
#99 |
| -
Holloween is dead and gone, so at this point nothing is better than anything |
nolabels |
Nov-01-09 08:51 AM |
#108 |
| -
Miles Mogu and those that follow are lost in the haze/mist of Reason and Sanity |
opihimoimoi |
Oct-31-09 11:22 AM |
#53 |
| -
seems that you're saying I'm a Republican? You're mistaken. Solid progressive. Read |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 11:37 AM |
#56 |
| -
No such intent to imply Pubness on your part...LOL :o) |
opihimoimoi |
Oct-31-09 01:06 PM |
#70 |
| -
thanks for the clarification! Much appreciated because of the |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 01:18 PM |
#73 |
| -
This is a Republican bill. If it were a Dem Bill it would look like Medicare! |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-31-09 12:58 PM |
#68 |
| -
Next up, Mogulescu's "Emily Litella" moment? |
bain_sidhe |
Oct-31-09 12:03 PM |
#58 |
| -
eligiblity doesn't mean it's affordable. There's a individual mandate |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 12:16 PM |
#59 |
| -
Good point |
bain_sidhe |
Oct-31-09 02:44 PM |
#82 |
| -
Someone owes me coffee |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-31-09 12:46 PM |
#65 |
| -
My HCR predictions from my missing thread "I know that many of you read other boards" |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-31-09 01:01 PM |
#69 |
| -
.... |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-31-09 01:16 PM |
#72 |
| -
I'm so sorry. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-31-09 06:09 PM |
#89 |
| -
At what point do we oppose the bill entirely....It is where I am at... |
debbierlus |
Oct-31-09 02:01 PM |
#76 |
| -
I know...... it's close. Good to see you. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 02:12 PM |
#80 |
| -
KILL THE BILL!! |
chadmak09 |
Oct-31-09 02:45 PM |
#83 |
| -
yeah, after all the time, money and effort, we get a POS bill. |
nightrain |
Oct-31-09 03:04 PM |
#85 |
| -
The GOP has conned us into pushing THEIR kind of bill...only WE'LL GET STUCK WITH THE BLAME when the |
Faryn Balyncd |
Oct-31-09 05:16 PM |
#87 |
| -
Time to kill the MANDATES |
SandWalker1984 |
Oct-31-09 06:16 PM |
#90 |
| -
As I have said for a long time... |
gorfle |
Oct-31-09 06:24 PM |
#91 |
| -
The sneaky parts of this bill are a danger to democracy as we once |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-31-09 06:30 PM |
#94 |
| -
Feeling let down and counted out |
nonis |
Oct-31-09 07:52 PM |
#101 |
| -
I think it WILL compete, and over time it will dominate the exchange. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-31-09 10:21 PM |
#102 |
| -
not so likely that it will compete well when the premium etc costs are higher |
nightrain |
Nov-01-09 10:40 AM |
#112 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread