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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. It's a concern, certainly on the macro level, but I'd rather first see
that people get health care, and then we worry about the cost. People have been deferring care for years, not getting meds, not getting mammograms, etc. I'd address that before the cost issue. It's an ethical thing for me...
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  -The Public Option in Congress Is Now a Sham. Who Cares If Lieberman Kills It? nightrain  Oct-30-09 10:56 PM   #0 
  - After 8 years of bush, this is what the Democratic party has become?  still_one   Oct-30-09 11:01 PM   #1 
  - Or start running against incumbents in primaries n/t  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:02 AM   #30 
  - that's the best way to go  yurbud   Oct-31-09 06:01 PM   #88 
  - That is what I meant by saying bring new people into the party /nt  still_one   Nov-01-09 09:15 AM   #111 
  - I just think I'll pick up and become an ex pat.  pattmarty   Oct-31-09 01:49 PM   #74 
  - It's very tempting isn't it??  nightrain   Oct-31-09 02:11 PM   #79 
  - I talk to a woman, daily, at the dog park.  Dr.Phool   Oct-31-09 07:15 PM   #98 
  - amazing isn't it what others have managed to provide for their people!  nightrain   Nov-01-09 09:08 AM   #109 
  - Time to leave the Democratic Party  youngharry   Nov-01-09 07:03 PM   #113 
  - After 8 years of bush, this is what the Democratic party has become?  AlbertCat   Oct-31-09 07:50 PM   #100 
  - This guy for one  grantcart   Oct-30-09 11:01 PM   #2 
  - So what?  Oregone   Oct-30-09 11:07 PM   #3 
  - nah, not Dean, although I initially supported him--are you aware that he  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:09 PM   #4 
  - Nice - throw Dean under the bus now  HughMoran   Oct-31-09 06:28 PM   #92 
     - he makes mistakes at times. sometimes big ones, and I think it's okay to call him out for it  nightrain   Oct-31-09 06:48 PM   #96 
        - I read the arguments about the patents and changing the rules midstream  HughMoran   Oct-31-09 07:13 PM   #97 
           - they originally had ?6 years, like all drugs. It wasn't anything like overnight.  nightrain   Oct-31-09 11:00 PM   #104 
  - He was right last week. He's wrong this week  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:03 AM   #31 
  - Dean has been intentionally wrong before  Bluenorthwest   Oct-31-09 07:00 AM   #39 
  - Well, Miles Mogulescu can eat shit and die. Alan Grayson is happy, Dean is Happy, I am happy...  NYC_SKP   Oct-30-09 11:09 PM   #5 
  - yeah, there are some nice carrots. Are you aware that the cost for  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:17 PM   #6 
  - "Long-term, this is not sustainable for middle-class folks"  Oregone   Oct-30-09 11:21 PM   #10 
  - yep, I agree, on that greater, more macro level as well...  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:24 PM   #13 
  - Ah, but by the time most the people figure out just how badly we've been had with this deal  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:24 PM   #14 
  - possibly, but that's why it's so important to get out the details now  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:29 PM   #17 
  - Exactly  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:39 PM   #21 
     - yep, I have very very mixed feelings about the possible filibuster...  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:44 PM   #23 
        - $125/person is what is in HR 676  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:18 AM   #34 
           - yeah. But not 12% of income! That's absurdly high. For 1 middle income person  nightrain   Oct-31-09 08:46 AM   #45 
              - Plus the god damn deductibles AND co pays. This is a fucking steaming................  pattmarty   Oct-31-09 02:02 PM   #77 
              - Exactly my point  eridani   Nov-01-09 02:33 AM   #107 
  - AND the Republicans will have a political gold mine that'll keep on giving.  pattmarty   Oct-31-09 01:58 PM   #75 
  - And the voters will vote against Democrats in a backlash for having  JDPriestly   Oct-31-09 11:02 PM   #105 
     - amazing isn't it how money cn be found to kill brown babies and people, but not for real health CARE  nightrain   Nov-01-09 09:09 AM   #110 
  - Very well said and I agree with your analysis.  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 12:33 PM   #62 
  - The deductibles, co-pays and premiums will be very high  rollingrock   Oct-30-09 11:25 PM   #15 
  - nightrain, you are correct.  JDPriestly   Oct-31-09 11:00 PM   #103 
  - It can certainly be improved, but I'm fairly happy.  Cant trust em   Oct-30-09 11:17 PM   #7 
  - how so? could you afford to pay these costs privately? You aren't concerned about the massive  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:32 PM   #19 
  - Have you seen anything that refutes the claim that...  Cant trust em   Oct-30-09 11:45 PM   #24 
     - actually, it's my personal experience as a healthcare practitioner that Medicare rates for  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:55 PM   #25 
        - So that's not a concern for you?  Cant trust em   Oct-30-09 11:58 PM   #27 
           - It's a concern, certainly on the macro level, but I'd rather first see  nightrain   Oct-31-09 12:14 AM   #28 
  - Then you must be HIGH or not very bright, maybe both.  pattmarty   Oct-31-09 02:06 PM   #78 
  - "Begins" to close the donut hole?  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:20 PM   # 
  - The goddamn dounut hole is $4300!  NV Whino   Oct-30-09 11:32 PM   #18 
     - They really do think we're stupid don't they?  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:38 PM   #20 
     - Yes, and to judge from DU, they are right. n/t  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:20 AM   #35 
     - the whole damn thing is a farse! It is a scam ..nothing but a damn scam! eom  flyarm   Oct-31-09 06:28 PM   #93 
  - and Pelosi would never mislead us would she?  Aragorn   Oct-30-09 11:57 PM   #26 
  - thanks for your perspective. Glad you took the time to refute the points..  nightrain   Oct-31-09 12:23 AM   #29 
  - #9 sort of reminds me of Conyers' sternly worded letters to Rove--  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:22 AM   #36 
  - Not a single one of these is worth mandated insurance.  eridani   Oct-31-09 01:17 AM   #33 
  - Dude, you're using press release from a congress person for proof.  Jakes Progress   Oct-31-09 09:05 AM   #49 
  - These are primarily INSURANCE reforms. Nice, worthy, but not provision of health CARE.  nightrain   Oct-31-09 09:09 AM   #50 
  - nobody claimed that everything was awful. Just that in balance, it's not worth doing.  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 12:31 PM   #60 
  - Comes across a little whiny  bluestateguy   Oct-30-09 11:18 PM   #8 
  - where?  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:20 PM   #9 
  - I grind my teeth whenever I hear some politician say we need an "uniquely American" solution  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:21 PM   #11 
  - The same  Oregone   Oct-30-09 11:23 PM   #12 
  - indeed. As if Americans can't learn from others... it's a cover for not doing the hard work  nightrain   Oct-30-09 11:26 PM   #16 
  - it's not just that-the high level of corruption makes meaningful legislation impossible  natrat   Oct-31-09 08:01 AM   #42 
     - exactly. good point.  nightrain   Oct-31-09 08:48 AM   #46 
  - It's code for "My constituents are really stupid!"  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 12:44 PM   #64 
  - let's see--45k dead each year from lack of health care--whatever bill passes won't take  niyad   Oct-30-09 11:40 PM   #22 
  - KR  inna   Oct-31-09 01:12 AM   #32 
  - Where are the numbers?  juno jones   Oct-31-09 01:31 AM   #37 
  - link to the bill and some summaries--  nightrain   Oct-31-09 08:53 AM   #48 
  - This is why I am so disappointed that people like Howard Dean and Rep Weiner are saying that it is  BrklynLiberal   Oct-31-09 01:45 AM   #38 
  - Howard Dean will say anything for any reason  Bluenorthwest   Oct-31-09 07:09 AM   #40 
  - Practical Amendments to add to the Pending Legislation: Term Limits and Campaign Finance Reform n/t  NorthCarolina   Oct-31-09 07:52 AM   #41 
  - Is Dental health covered?  elbram   Oct-31-09 08:16 AM   #43 
  - I haven't checked... here's a link to the bill and some summaries...  nightrain   Oct-31-09 08:52 AM   #47 
  - I'm with Miles, PO sucks and shouldn't even be considered  4dsc   Oct-31-09 08:36 AM   #44 
  - So Liebermann should be a heroic figure for DUers if its that bad of a bill  stray cat   Oct-31-09 11:10 AM   #51 
  - Holy Joe AND the Republicans are both heroes to the chicken littles.  tridim   Oct-31-09 11:24 AM   #54 
  - what's so great about this bill? if you are a middle income person and  nightrain   Oct-31-09 11:35 AM   #55 
  - It's not perfect but it is significant reform  tridim   Oct-31-09 12:33 PM   #61 
     - well, good that you will get a substantial benefit. That's important. I can now see  nightrain   Oct-31-09 12:42 PM   #63 
     - This is a Republican Bill. If it were a Democratic Bill it would look like Medicare,  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 12:55 PM   #66 
        - Boner and Holy Joe hate it, and it was written by Democrats.  tridim   Oct-31-09 12:58 PM   #67 
        - Boner and Holy Joe voted for Obamas Treasury Sect Defense They are Republicans too!  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 01:07 PM   #71 
        - Come on, look at fucking Medicare in 1965 and look at this............  pattmarty   Oct-31-09 02:19 PM   #81 
        - sure seems like a repub bill.  chadmak09   Oct-31-09 02:48 PM   #84 
           - sad, and probably true. Well put!  nightrain   Oct-31-09 03:16 PM   #86 
        - +10,000..i wonder as well is it the young that are supporting this shit because they are just so  flyarm   Oct-31-09 06:38 PM   #95 
  - I'm at the point where I'd welcome a filibuster that would shoot this bill down in flames  Rozlee   Oct-31-09 11:13 PM   #106 
  - For many reasons I think Lieberman's a snake. But, about this  nightrain   Oct-31-09 11:38 AM   #57 
  - Many DUers Whined When Progressives Warned That This Would Be The Outcome  ProleNoMore   Oct-31-09 11:22 AM   #52 
  - Reports, incredible as they may seem, are not the results of mass hysteria!!  JTFrog   Oct-31-09 07:29 PM   #99 
     - Holloween is dead and gone, so at this point nothing is better than anything  nolabels   Nov-01-09 08:51 AM   #108 
  - Miles Mogu and those that follow are lost in the haze/mist of Reason and Sanity  opihimoimoi   Oct-31-09 11:22 AM   #53 
  - seems that you're saying I'm a Republican? You're mistaken. Solid progressive. Read  nightrain   Oct-31-09 11:37 AM   #56 
  - No such intent to imply Pubness on your part...LOL :o)  opihimoimoi   Oct-31-09 01:06 PM   #70 
     - thanks for the clarification! Much appreciated because of the  nightrain   Oct-31-09 01:18 PM   #73 
  - This is a Republican bill. If it were a Dem Bill it would look like Medicare!  John Q. Citizen   Oct-31-09 12:58 PM   #68 
  - Next up, Mogulescu's "Emily Litella" moment?  bain_sidhe   Oct-31-09 12:03 PM   #58 
  - eligiblity doesn't mean it's affordable. There's a individual mandate  nightrain   Oct-31-09 12:16 PM   #59 
     - Good point  bain_sidhe   Oct-31-09 02:44 PM   #82 
  - Someone owes me coffee  Nikki Stone1   Oct-31-09 12:46 PM   #65 
  - My HCR predictions from my missing thread "I know that many of you read other boards"  Nikki Stone1   Oct-31-09 01:01 PM   #69 
  - ....  BrklynLiberal   Oct-31-09 01:16 PM   #72 
     - I'm so sorry.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-31-09 06:09 PM   #89 
  - At what point do we oppose the bill entirely....It is where I am at...  debbierlus   Oct-31-09 02:01 PM   #76 
  - I know...... it's close. Good to see you.  nightrain   Oct-31-09 02:12 PM   #80 
  - KILL THE BILL!!  chadmak09   Oct-31-09 02:45 PM   #83 
  - yeah, after all the time, money and effort, we get a POS bill.  nightrain   Oct-31-09 03:04 PM   #85 
  - The GOP has conned us into pushing THEIR kind of bill...only WE'LL GET STUCK WITH THE BLAME when the  Faryn Balyncd   Oct-31-09 05:16 PM   #87 
  - Time to kill the MANDATES  SandWalker1984   Oct-31-09 06:16 PM   #90 
  - As I have said for a long time...  gorfle   Oct-31-09 06:24 PM   #91 
  - The sneaky parts of this bill are a danger to democracy as we once  ooglymoogly   Oct-31-09 06:30 PM   #94 
  - Feeling let down and counted out  nonis   Oct-31-09 07:52 PM   #101 
  - I think it WILL compete, and over time it will dominate the exchange.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-31-09 10:21 PM   #102 
     - not so likely that it will compete well when the premium etc costs are higher  nightrain   Nov-01-09 10:40 AM   #112 
 

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