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Reply #53: yes it certainly is about race. and it is racism. [View All]

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53. yes it certainly is about race. and it is racism.
i was in LA when the Simi Valley jury came back with acquittals for the policemen who had beaten Rodney King to a pulp. i knew it was about race, and that it was racism. and on that afternoon, almost nine months pregnant, knowing my city was about to erupt in a very ugly way, i made a decision. i would never again claim, "i am not a racist." because i knew that if asked every one of those jurors would claim, "i'm not a racist," but their decision was clearly racist, which meant that their denials were lies, even if they were lies they believed themselves.

my mother used to make the same claim. "i'm not a racist, i just think they should stay in their place and we should stay in ours. i'm not a racist, but if you marry a black man i will disown you."

i deplore racism. i have done my level best to raise my children to not so engage. but i will never claim, "i am not a racist," because what if i am? if i can plainly see that so many people who are racists cannot recognize it in themselves, i cannot be content that it might not be me as well. and my personal belief is that this insidious, veiled racism that refuses to acknowledge itself is perhaps the most dangerous form of racism of all. because it is infectious and it masquerades as reason, and because it goes unacknowledged and unrecognized, it's like a bacteria or a cancer, multiplying and growing unchecked.

thank you for an important post. i believe that many here on DU might gain from reading it, and i hope so. i know i have.
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  "It's Not About Race!" "It's Not Racism!!" TygrBrightDU Moderator  Sep-13-09 08:32 PM   #0 
   Very nice - that's what we need to see more of.  BlooInBloo   Sep-13-09 08:33 PM   #1 
   My pleasure to rec this  JustAnotherGen   Sep-13-09 08:47 PM   #5 
   That's kinda the way my thoughts were going.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-14-09 10:50 AM   #58 
   it's funny how "those people" sorta defines racism in the OP  hfojvt   Sep-14-09 03:39 PM   #101 
      We can do it, you see,  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 08:30 PM   #138 
         I didn't mean to imply that it was racism  hfojvt   Sep-15-09 11:42 AM   #189 
   My parents actually used to say  Paranoid Pessimist   Sep-15-09 12:17 AM   #174 
   really? Five or six a day are not enough?  hfojvt   Sep-14-09 03:36 PM   #99 
      "Liberal elites think they are better than you."  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 08:36 PM   #140 
         But, we "Liberal Elites"  billh58   Sep-15-09 06:32 PM   #202 
   Thank you.  AspenRose   Sep-13-09 08:38 PM   #2 
   Yes. It ABSOLUTELY is about race. AND racism. And the ugly little minds that cling to it.  calimary   Sep-13-09 08:38 PM   #3 
   A giant K&R  Klukie   Sep-13-09 08:45 PM   #4 
   All questions about McCain's birth place were pretty much squashed ...  zbdent   Sep-13-09 08:47 PM   #6 
   YUP +1  iwillalwayswonderwhy   Sep-13-09 08:48 PM   #7 
   Racism is a distraction. Don't let these people inside your head.  imdjh   Sep-13-09 08:49 PM   #8 
   I've tried to say this many times  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 08:46 AM   #43 
   Moreover, it will lead to a free pass on racism.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 09:56 AM   #48 
   They're getting a free pass NOW from people who refuse  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 11:08 AM   #65 
   That's a good list of obvious racism  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 04:46 PM   #108 
   You mean like how the police target black and brown people  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 05:25 PM   #114 
      OK, that covers cops and loan shark bankers  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 06:00 PM   #119 
         The living patterns ARE the result of overt racism  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 11:00 PM   #162 
            Oh for God's sake, better to be silent and thought a fool.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 11:29 PM   #166 
            I didn't say fetching is reserved for black people. But fetching IS  Raineyb   Sep-15-09 12:11 AM   #171 
               rinse and repeat  imdjh   Sep-15-09 12:17 AM   #173 
            Yes, there was redlining some time ago  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 11:35 PM   #168 
               I'm invested in being respected and usually a sign of respect is to  Raineyb   Sep-15-09 12:16 AM   #172 
                  Ok, well, I tried to have some meaningful dialogue about this  customerserviceguy   Sep-15-09 08:35 AM   #185 
   Who?  imdjh   Sep-14-09 08:52 PM   #146 
      It's really not that hard to follow if you make the effort  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 11:06 PM   #163 
   Good point on the male chauvinist pig thing  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 04:45 PM   #107 
   I agree with you and maybe it's because I'm African American  goclark   Sep-14-09 10:02 AM   #50 
      In an odd way, they get louder to disprove the allegation of racism.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 01:25 PM   #87 
      oh, you must regale me with your stories  SemperEadem   Sep-14-09 08:49 PM   #144 
         Trying to describe a facial expression in a post so that someone else will get it...  imdjh   Sep-14-09 11:49 PM   #169 
            so, it's an imaginary thing for you  SemperEadem   Sep-15-09 03:09 PM   #197 
               Yes, that would be the expected response on your part given your past comments..  imdjh   Sep-15-09 06:02 PM   #200 
                  "the rest of us "  SemperEadem   Sep-15-09 06:34 PM   #203 
                     Yes, I was suggesting that you have a perceptual disorder.  imdjh   Sep-15-09 07:06 PM   #204 
                        no... I'm challenging your absurd assumption, not engaging in personal attacks  SemperEadem   Sep-16-09 01:30 PM   #209 
      Sorry goclark, to most of us it is about race and it is racism. n/t  Fire1   Sep-14-09 03:24 PM   #96 
      Then what are you going to do about Racism?  goclark   Sep-14-09 06:56 PM   #126 
      Thanks for your comments  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 04:53 PM   #109 
         Excellent points nt  goclark   Sep-14-09 11:33 PM   #167 
   racism is an american tradition that too few are willing to acknowledge  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 01:15 PM   #84 
      change American to human and you have something nt  imdjh   Sep-14-09 01:27 PM   #88 
         the subject is america  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 02:14 PM   #92 
            Better to say then, that racism is a tradition that too few Americans are willing to acknowledge.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 04:27 PM   #105 
               i agree that a lot of it is anti-Democratic  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 08:26 PM   #135 
   I basically said the same thing (though not as well)  Maccagirl   Sep-13-09 08:51 PM   #9 
   Another thing I kept hearing during the primaries  iwillalwayswonderwhy   Sep-13-09 08:52 PM   #10 
   Hell - Clinton supporters are the ones who *started* the birther stuff...  BlooInBloo   Sep-13-09 10:04 PM   #16 
   So? That's how primaries work.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 01:33 PM   #89 
   Clinton supporters are the ones who *started* the birther stuff...  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 08:45 PM   #143 
   Hmm, consider the context  lupinella   Sep-14-09 10:20 AM   #54 
      I honestly thought that electing Hillary would be more humiliating to the GOPers than a black guy.  imdjh   Sep-14-09 01:35 PM   #90 
   Yes it is  liberal N proud   Sep-13-09 08:53 PM   #11 
   It is about racism !  jellen   Sep-13-09 09:42 PM   #12 
   The problem that...  butterfly77   Sep-14-09 02:02 PM   #91 
   Word play  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 08:53 PM   #147 
      Actually, most  billh58   Sep-14-09 10:58 PM   #161 
         Typo  billh58   Sep-15-09 02:13 AM   #181 
         Actually,  NOLALady   Sep-15-09 04:25 AM   #183 
            Yep, there  billh58   Sep-15-09 06:28 PM   #201 
   K&R and Thank You. n /t  firedupdem   Sep-13-09 09:50 PM   #13 
   It's about race  EnglishTeacher   Sep-13-09 09:53 PM   #14 
   Welcome to DU  bluescribbler   Sep-14-09 08:43 AM   #42 
   Yes it is, dammit.  madamesilverspurs   Sep-13-09 10:01 PM   #15 
   This needs to be stuck to the front page of this site through the rest of Obama's term(s)  Number23   Sep-13-09 10:11 PM   #17 
   +1  Raineyb   Sep-13-09 11:35 PM   #26 
   +2  Karenina   Sep-14-09 09:14 AM   #45 
   And after it gets stuck on the 1st Page how will that stop  goclark   Sep-14-09 11:00 AM   #64 
   Only speaking to those who are not racist?  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 11:09 AM   #66 
   Good point ~ I forgot and maybe they will stop being  goclark   Sep-14-09 11:15 AM   #68 
   you have to be kidding, right?  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 01:12 PM   #83 
   have you ever seen a reparations thread HERE?  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 09:17 PM   #150 
      it's from the predictable source  noiretextatique   Sep-15-09 02:34 PM   #193 
   The only way to stop any form of bigotry is information  Number23   Sep-14-09 06:12 PM   #122 
      I taught Kindergarten, treat them like they are 5 years old --  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 09:20 PM   #151 
   +3  SemperEadem   Sep-14-09 08:55 PM   #148 
   K&R  dccrossman   Sep-13-09 10:24 PM   #18 
   Fear=Hatred.  NOLALady   Sep-13-09 10:35 PM   #19 
   It's not so much about power. It's about having someone to be better than. n/t  TygrBrightDU Moderator   Sep-13-09 11:01 PM   #22 
   excellent post  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 08:32 PM   #139 
   I said as much back in the primaries and during the campaign  Tansy_Gold   Sep-13-09 10:51 PM   #20 
   I loves me some Tansy Gold!  Karenina   Sep-14-09 09:09 AM   #44 
   Any time!  Tansy_Gold   Sep-14-09 10:46 AM   #57 
      Excellent - you've given a perfect example of the authoritarian mindset  TrogL   Sep-14-09 12:11 PM   #73 
      Here's another.  Tansy_Gold   Sep-14-09 05:29 PM   #115 
         They can't integrate the information.  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 09:30 PM   #154 
         I loves me some Tansy Gold!  Karenina   Sep-15-09 04:15 PM   #199 
      wow...  druidity33   Sep-14-09 06:40 PM   #124 
      When your friend goes to the ER, who does he think pays for that?  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 09:27 PM   #153 
      First of all, he's not my "friend." He's someone I know.  Tansy_Gold   Sep-14-09 11:21 PM   #164 
      I don't want to lose my place in the world.  PSzymeczek   Sep-15-09 01:41 AM   #177 
   You make perfect sense, Tansy.  PSzymeczek   Sep-15-09 01:37 AM   #176 
   Ditto back at you, for the comment on sharing.  Tansy_Gold   Sep-15-09 09:04 AM   #186 
   another post i wish i could recommend  noiretextatique   Sep-15-09 02:38 PM   #195 
   It sure is  donheld   Sep-13-09 10:55 PM   #21 
   Fear  classysassy   Sep-13-09 11:19 PM   #23 
   That's just it. With that portion of the wingers, you CANNOT  Tansy_Gold   Sep-14-09 07:01 PM   #127 
   The "muslims" are stealing our country.....  XOKCowboy   Sep-13-09 11:21 PM   #24 
   The Scary Brown Other!  kwassa   Sep-13-09 11:31 PM   #25 
   And the 'core' reason  JustAnotherGen   Sep-14-09 07:41 AM   #41 
   I've watched  PSzymeczek   Sep-15-09 01:47 AM   #178 
   there universe is not abundant, they are so afraid they won't get 'enough'  NMDemDist2   Sep-14-09 12:02 AM   #27 
   I too am old enough  billh58   Sep-14-09 12:03 AM   #28 
   Sorry, but I think white racism stands nicely on its own...I don't think it  whathehell   Sep-14-09 05:29 AM   #36 
      True that, but  billh58   Sep-14-09 04:25 PM   #104 
         The White Race is the majority race in America...The Christian Religion  whathehell   Sep-14-09 07:30 PM   #129 
         I agree with  billh58   Sep-14-09 08:26 PM   #136 
         And we have Pakistan and India and Bangladesh because......  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 10:05 PM   #155 
            A "Christian" who  billh58   Sep-14-09 11:22 PM   #165 
            Religion, and it's place in most if not all societies is "simply" --  whathehell   Sep-15-09 09:46 AM   #187 
         religion ws used to justify slavery  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 08:28 PM   #137 
            Exactly, and  billh58   Sep-14-09 08:42 PM   #142 
            It's "traditional" in the hate groups...Certainly not in my Christian upbringing..and BTW  whathehell   Sep-15-09 11:43 AM   #190 
               no, but i know some american christians used their religion to justify  noiretextatique   Sep-15-09 02:32 PM   #192 
   You Betcha It's About Race!  Keepin It Real   Sep-14-09 12:24 AM   #29 
   As much as I'd love to be able to disagree, I've just gone another round...  DCKit   Sep-14-09 12:29 AM   #30 
   K&R  BrklynLiberal   Sep-14-09 01:17 AM   #31 
   Some of the most racist things I have ever heard came out of my mother's mouth  WatchWhatISay   Sep-14-09 02:16 AM   #32 
   kikanrek  tomm2thumbs   Sep-14-09 02:20 AM   #33 
   I think these people feel they now have 'permission' to express their racism openly.  Kablooie   Sep-14-09 03:38 AM   #34 
   I agree 100%....  Syntheto   Sep-14-09 05:13 AM   #35 
   I think it's about race.  ScottLand   Sep-14-09 05:46 AM   #37 
   subjected to this much scrutiny.  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 10:19 PM   #156 
      Granted.  ScottLand   Sep-15-09 03:02 AM   #182 
   Yes, it's about racism, but a racism stoked and funded by corporations.  fasttense   Sep-14-09 05:56 AM   #38 
   I believe race is without a doubt a factor  Skittles   Sep-14-09 05:59 AM   #39 
   I don't think it's ALL about race  nxylas   Sep-14-09 06:32 AM   #40 
   Anytime anybody says it's not racism. . .IT'S RACISM.  DinahMoeHum   Sep-14-09 09:52 AM   #46 
   I posted this before, but it seems to fit this discussion.  Altoid_Cyclist   Sep-14-09 09:53 AM   #47 
   that was an effective letter  barbtries   Sep-14-09 10:36 AM   #55 
   I'm ashamed to admit this.  Altoid_Cyclist   Sep-14-09 11:13 AM   #67 
   Uh...Middle Easterners are not Asian.  AlbertCat   Sep-14-09 10:27 PM   #159 
      Actually,  PSzymeczek   Sep-15-09 01:57 AM   #179 
      Thank you for the confirmation.  Altoid_Cyclist   Sep-15-09 07:21 AM   #184 
      For extra credit in  billh58   Sep-15-09 11:32 PM   #206 
   I agree totally  Richd506   Sep-14-09 10:00 AM   #49 
   I almost agree, but lets face it, the hated Clinton just the same  the other one   Sep-14-09 10:03 AM   #51 
   Of course it's not racism  connecticut yankee   Sep-14-09 10:04 AM   #52 
   Yet, Glenn Beck claims that President Obama  Kajsa   Sep-14-09 10:52 AM   #59 
   yes it certainly is about race. and it is racism.  barbtries   Sep-14-09 10:15 AM   #53 
   She was mocking a hanging lynched black man, and she's probably still alive  Rozlee   Sep-14-09 10:45 AM   #56 
   Thank you, TygrBright, for a great post!  KalicoKitty   Sep-14-09 10:52 AM   #60 
   YES!  lupinella   Sep-14-09 10:55 AM   #61 
   There was a reason I didn't find out about my Choctaw and  juno jones   Sep-14-09 02:24 PM   #93 
   Con su permiso, a reprise of a little essay I wrote some time ago--  Jackpine Radical   Sep-14-09 10:56 AM   #62 
   It is very much about racism.  Kajsa   Sep-14-09 10:59 AM   #63 
   You are describing what I call "unconscious racism."  bigmonkey   Sep-14-09 11:25 AM   #69 
   I agree with you about "unconscious racism"  Love Bug   Sep-14-09 02:26 PM   #94 
      It is all about fear, but it doesn't help that they're afraid to admit their racism.  bigmonkey   Sep-14-09 07:31 PM   #130 
      Admitting their racism would be a first step towards overcoming it  Love Bug   Sep-15-09 12:09 PM   #191 
      I take people as individuals.  PSzymeczek   Sep-15-09 02:10 AM   #180 
         I know exactly what  billh58   Sep-16-09 12:00 AM   #207 
   The Evil People and their minions The Stoopids can see every race but the human race. nt  valerief   Sep-14-09 11:49 AM   #70 
   Grow up  nebutar   Sep-14-09 12:27 PM   #76 
      But I'm already buying insurance!  valerief   Sep-14-09 12:37 PM   #78 
      Odd, because I automatically write off racists as bad people  Raineyb   Sep-14-09 12:55 PM   #80 
      call it whatever you need to call it  SemperEadem   Sep-14-09 09:25 PM   #152 
      And you have posted a  billh58   Sep-14-09 10:21 PM   #157 
   It's sad that it is racism that is fueling the teabaggers, but we knew it was there  Major Hogwash   Sep-14-09 12:07 PM   #71 
   major kick!  Blue_Tires   Sep-14-09 12:07 PM   #72 
   K&R for this thread.  road2000   Sep-14-09 12:11 PM   #74 
   I agree, accusations of racism are much more politically convenient and expedient.  newtothegame   Sep-14-09 12:26 PM   #75 
   I don't want "that man" talking to my children  young_at_heart   Sep-14-09 12:30 PM   #77 
   I believe your perception of the situation is on target, TygrBright.  Uncle Joe   Sep-14-09 12:40 PM   #79 
   Great piece. Happy to K&R.  Ignis   Sep-14-09 01:02 PM   #81 
   Indeed  joewilsonwhat   Sep-14-09 01:11 PM   #82 
   thanks so much for this Bright  noiretextatique   Sep-14-09 01:18 PM   #85 
   I feel embarrassed...  lin_e65   Sep-14-09 01:23 PM   #86 
   love your post  Number23   Sep-14-09 06:41 PM   #125 
   Old Bob Dylan song here:  RedCloud   Sep-14-09 03:18 PM   #95 
   Truer words have never been spoken Thank you, Bright. K&R  Fire1   Sep-14-09 03:27 PM   #97 
   It definately is about racism and the racist are coming out of the woodwork!  Robyn66   Sep-14-09 03:35 PM   #98 
   kick and rec'd with a fist in the air  HopeOverFear   Sep-14-09 03:39 PM   #100 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-09 03:48 PM   #102 
   We don't protest "him"---we protest his acitons, policies, etc.  young_at_heart   Sep-14-09 04:10 PM   #103 
   By "our side,"  billh58   Sep-14-09 04:42 PM   #106 
   You didn't read the OP or you would know your  Cha   Sep-14-09 04:55 PM   #110 
      Please forgive me Cha, hero of the DU, for my foolishness.  H8TR   Sep-14-09 05:08 PM   #111 
         Don't be an asshole..  Cha   Sep-14-09 05:12 PM   #113 
            Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-09 05:39 PM   #116 
               My, what an  billh58   Sep-14-09 05:41 PM   #118 
                  he..she..it (?) started it!!  H8TR   Sep-14-09 06:01 PM   #120 
                     So?  Cha   Sep-14-09 07:59 PM   #132 
   "the signature of hate is unmistakable"  hfojvt   Sep-14-09 05:09 PM   #112 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-09 06:11 PM   #121 
   Why do you  billh58   Sep-14-09 07:08 PM   #128 
   or those turning a blind eye to it  fascisthunter   Sep-14-09 10:50 PM   #160 
   Your exactly right! n/t  southern_belle   Sep-14-09 05:39 PM   #117 
   As a teacher I'm thankful that Obama  undergroundnomore   Sep-14-09 06:15 PM   #123 
   Thank you for your perspective, undergroundnomore~  Cha   Sep-14-09 08:00 PM   #133 
   It's rough  LatteLibertine   Sep-14-09 07:39 PM   #131 
   BEAUTIFULLY articulated - the sheer irrationality of the thoughts and  truthrocks   Sep-14-09 08:04 PM   #134 
   very well put  SemperEadem   Sep-14-09 08:37 PM   #141 
   It's not racism; it's ideology  AverageJoe5   Sep-14-09 08:52 PM   #145 
      Have you been paying  billh58   Sep-14-09 09:17 PM   #149 
      Steele isn't proof of anything  kwassa   Sep-14-09 10:22 PM   #158 
      Their attacks on Clinton were harsher than their attacks on Obama  AverageJoe5   Sep-15-09 12:05 AM   #170 
         You keep comparing  billh58   Sep-15-09 12:54 AM   #175 
            great post for summing up the issues.  kwassa   Sep-15-09 10:25 AM   #188 
            wish i could recommend your post  noiretextatique   Sep-15-09 02:36 PM   #194 
               Thanks  billh58   Sep-15-09 03:13 PM   #198 
      I'm sorry  SemperEadem   Sep-15-09 03:08 PM   #196 
   Every time I see these people  Ghost of Tom Joad   Sep-15-09 09:45 PM   #205 
   It is Ideology Not Race Which Divides Us  bumpback   Sep-16-09 10:25 AM   #208 
      You are quoting a conservative opinion article at length and are pretending it is liberal.  kwassa   Sep-16-09 11:32 PM   #210 
      +1  billh58   Sep-16-09 11:38 PM   #211 
      Thanks for  billh58   Sep-17-09 01:43 AM   #212 
 

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