barbtries
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Sep-14-09 10:15 AM
Response to Original message |
| 53. yes it certainly is about race. and it is racism. |
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i was in LA when the Simi Valley jury came back with acquittals for the policemen who had beaten Rodney King to a pulp. i knew it was about race, and that it was racism. and on that afternoon, almost nine months pregnant, knowing my city was about to erupt in a very ugly way, i made a decision. i would never again claim, "i am not a racist." because i knew that if asked every one of those jurors would claim, "i'm not a racist," but their decision was clearly racist, which meant that their denials were lies, even if they were lies they believed themselves.
my mother used to make the same claim. "i'm not a racist, i just think they should stay in their place and we should stay in ours. i'm not a racist, but if you marry a black man i will disown you."
i deplore racism. i have done my level best to raise my children to not so engage. but i will never claim, "i am not a racist," because what if i am? if i can plainly see that so many people who are racists cannot recognize it in themselves, i cannot be content that it might not be me as well. and my personal belief is that this insidious, veiled racism that refuses to acknowledge itself is perhaps the most dangerous form of racism of all. because it is infectious and it masquerades as reason, and because it goes unacknowledged and unrecognized, it's like a bacteria or a cancer, multiplying and growing unchecked.
thank you for an important post. i believe that many here on DU might gain from reading it, and i hope so. i know i have.
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"It's Not About Race!" "It's Not Racism!!" |
TygrBright |
Sep-13-09 08:32 PM |
#0 |

Very nice - that's what we need to see more of. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-13-09 08:33 PM |
#1 |
 
My pleasure to rec this |
JustAnotherGen |
Sep-13-09 08:47 PM |
#5 |
  
That's kinda the way my thoughts were going. |
Jackpine Radical |
Sep-14-09 10:50 AM |
#58 |
   
it's funny how "those people" sorta defines racism in the OP |
hfojvt |
Sep-14-09 03:39 PM |
#101 |
  
We can do it, you see, |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 08:30 PM |
#138 |
  
I didn't mean to imply that it was racism |
hfojvt |
Sep-15-09 11:42 AM |
#189 |
  
My parents actually used to say |
Paranoid Pessimist |
Sep-15-09 12:17 AM |
#174 |
 
really? Five or six a day are not enough? |
hfojvt |
Sep-14-09 03:36 PM |
#99 |

"Liberal elites think they are better than you." |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 08:36 PM |
#140 |

But, we "Liberal Elites" |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 06:32 PM |
#202 |

Thank you. |
AspenRose |
Sep-13-09 08:38 PM |
#2 |

Yes. It ABSOLUTELY is about race. AND racism. And the ugly little minds that cling to it. |
calimary |
Sep-13-09 08:38 PM |
#3 |

A giant K&R |
Klukie |
Sep-13-09 08:45 PM |
#4 |

All questions about McCain's birth place were pretty much squashed ... |
zbdent |
Sep-13-09 08:47 PM |
#6 |

YUP +1 |
iwillalwayswonderwhy |
Sep-13-09 08:48 PM |
#7 |

Racism is a distraction. Don't let these people inside your head. |
imdjh |
Sep-13-09 08:49 PM |
#8 |
 
I've tried to say this many times |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 08:46 AM |
#43 |
  
Moreover, it will lead to a free pass on racism. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 09:56 AM |
#48 |
   
They're getting a free pass NOW from people who refuse |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 11:08 AM |
#65 |
    
That's a good list of obvious racism |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 04:46 PM |
#108 |
     
You mean like how the police target black and brown people |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 05:25 PM |
#114 |
    
OK, that covers cops and loan shark bankers |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 06:00 PM |
#119 |
    
The living patterns ARE the result of overt racism |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 11:00 PM |
#162 |
    
Oh for God's sake, better to be silent and thought a fool. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 11:29 PM |
#166 |
     
I didn't say fetching is reserved for black people. But fetching IS |
Raineyb |
Sep-15-09 12:11 AM |
#171 |
    
rinse and repeat |
imdjh |
Sep-15-09 12:17 AM |
#173 |
    
Yes, there was redlining some time ago |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 11:35 PM |
#168 |
    
I'm invested in being respected and usually a sign of respect is to |
Raineyb |
Sep-15-09 12:16 AM |
#172 |
    
Ok, well, I tried to have some meaningful dialogue about this |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-15-09 08:35 AM |
#185 |
    
Who? |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 08:52 PM |
#146 |
   
It's really not that hard to follow if you make the effort |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 11:06 PM |
#163 |
   
Good point on the male chauvinist pig thing |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 04:45 PM |
#107 |
  
I agree with you and maybe it's because I'm African American |
goclark |
Sep-14-09 10:02 AM |
#50 |
 
In an odd way, they get louder to disprove the allegation of racism. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 01:25 PM |
#87 |
  
oh, you must regale me with your stories |
SemperEadem |
Sep-14-09 08:49 PM |
#144 |
 
Trying to describe a facial expression in a post so that someone else will get it... |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 11:49 PM |
#169 |
 
so, it's an imaginary thing for you |
SemperEadem |
Sep-15-09 03:09 PM |
#197 |
 
Yes, that would be the expected response on your part given your past comments.. |
imdjh |
Sep-15-09 06:02 PM |
#200 |
 
"the rest of us " |
SemperEadem |
Sep-15-09 06:34 PM |
#203 |
 
Yes, I was suggesting that you have a perceptual disorder. |
imdjh |
Sep-15-09 07:06 PM |
#204 |
 
no... I'm challenging your absurd assumption, not engaging in personal attacks |
SemperEadem |
Sep-16-09 01:30 PM |
#209 |
 
Sorry goclark, to most of us it is about race and it is racism. n/t |
Fire1 |
Sep-14-09 03:24 PM |
#96 |
  
Then what are you going to do about Racism? |
goclark |
Sep-14-09 06:56 PM |
#126 |
 
Thanks for your comments |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-14-09 04:53 PM |
#109 |
 
Excellent points nt |
goclark |
Sep-14-09 11:33 PM |
#167 |
 
racism is an american tradition that too few are willing to acknowledge |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 01:15 PM |
#84 |

change American to human and you have something nt |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 01:27 PM |
#88 |

the subject is america |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 02:14 PM |
#92 |

Better to say then, that racism is a tradition that too few Americans are willing to acknowledge. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 04:27 PM |
#105 |

i agree that a lot of it is anti-Democratic |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 08:26 PM |
#135 |

I basically said the same thing (though not as well) |
Maccagirl |
Sep-13-09 08:51 PM |
#9 |

Another thing I kept hearing during the primaries |
iwillalwayswonderwhy |
Sep-13-09 08:52 PM |
#10 |
 
Hell - Clinton supporters are the ones who *started* the birther stuff... |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-13-09 10:04 PM |
#16 |
  
So? That's how primaries work. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 01:33 PM |
#89 |
  
Clinton supporters are the ones who *started* the birther stuff... |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 08:45 PM |
#143 |
 
Hmm, consider the context |
lupinella |
Sep-14-09 10:20 AM |
#54 |

I honestly thought that electing Hillary would be more humiliating to the GOPers than a black guy. |
imdjh |
Sep-14-09 01:35 PM |
#90 |

Yes it is |
liberal N proud |
Sep-13-09 08:53 PM |
#11 |

It is about racism ! |
jellen |
Sep-13-09 09:42 PM |
#12 |
 
The problem that... |
butterfly77 |
Sep-14-09 02:02 PM |
#91 |
 
Word play |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 08:53 PM |
#147 |

Actually, most |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 10:58 PM |
#161 |

Typo |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 02:13 AM |
#181 |

Actually, |
NOLALady |
Sep-15-09 04:25 AM |
#183 |

Yep, there |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 06:28 PM |
#201 |

K&R and Thank You. n /t |
firedupdem |
Sep-13-09 09:50 PM |
#13 |

It's about race |
EnglishTeacher |
Sep-13-09 09:53 PM |
#14 |
 
Welcome to DU |
bluescribbler |
Sep-14-09 08:43 AM |
#42 |

Yes it is, dammit. |
madamesilverspurs |
Sep-13-09 10:01 PM |
#15 |

This needs to be stuck to the front page of this site through the rest of Obama's term(s) |
Number23 |
Sep-13-09 10:11 PM |
#17 |
 
+1 |
Raineyb |
Sep-13-09 11:35 PM |
#26 |
  
+2 |
Karenina |
Sep-14-09 09:14 AM |
#45 |
 
And after it gets stuck on the 1st Page how will that stop |
goclark |
Sep-14-09 11:00 AM |
#64 |
  
Only speaking to those who are not racist? |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 11:09 AM |
#66 |
   
Good point ~ I forgot and maybe they will stop being |
goclark |
Sep-14-09 11:15 AM |
#68 |
  
you have to be kidding, right? |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 01:12 PM |
#83 |
   
have you ever seen a reparations thread HERE? |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 09:17 PM |
#150 |
  
it's from the predictable source |
noiretextatique |
Sep-15-09 02:34 PM |
#193 |
  
The only way to stop any form of bigotry is information |
Number23 |
Sep-14-09 06:12 PM |
#122 |
 
I taught Kindergarten, treat them like they are 5 years old -- |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 09:20 PM |
#151 |
 
+3 |
SemperEadem |
Sep-14-09 08:55 PM |
#148 |

K&R |
dccrossman |
Sep-13-09 10:24 PM |
#18 |

Fear=Hatred. |
NOLALady |
Sep-13-09 10:35 PM |
#19 |
 
It's not so much about power. It's about having someone to be better than. n/t |
TygrBright |
Sep-13-09 11:01 PM |
#22 |
 
excellent post |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 08:32 PM |
#139 |

I said as much back in the primaries and during the campaign |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-13-09 10:51 PM |
#20 |
 
I loves me some Tansy Gold! |
Karenina |
Sep-14-09 09:09 AM |
#44 |
  
Any time! |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-14-09 10:46 AM |
#57 |
 
Excellent - you've given a perfect example of the authoritarian mindset |
TrogL |
Sep-14-09 12:11 PM |
#73 |
  
Here's another. |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-14-09 05:29 PM |
#115 |
 
They can't integrate the information. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 09:30 PM |
#154 |
 
I loves me some Tansy Gold! |
Karenina |
Sep-15-09 04:15 PM |
#199 |
 
wow... |
druidity33 |
Sep-14-09 06:40 PM |
#124 |
 
When your friend goes to the ER, who does he think pays for that? |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 09:27 PM |
#153 |
  
First of all, he's not my "friend." He's someone I know. |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-14-09 11:21 PM |
#164 |
 
I don't want to lose my place in the world. |
PSzymeczek |
Sep-15-09 01:41 AM |
#177 |
 
You make perfect sense, Tansy. |
PSzymeczek |
Sep-15-09 01:37 AM |
#176 |
  
Ditto back at you, for the comment on sharing. |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-15-09 09:04 AM |
#186 |
 
another post i wish i could recommend |
noiretextatique |
Sep-15-09 02:38 PM |
#195 |

It sure is |
donheld |
Sep-13-09 10:55 PM |
#21 |

Fear |
classysassy |
Sep-13-09 11:19 PM |
#23 |
 
That's just it. With that portion of the wingers, you CANNOT |
Tansy_Gold |
Sep-14-09 07:01 PM |
#127 |

The "muslims" are stealing our country..... |
XOKCowboy |
Sep-13-09 11:21 PM |
#24 |

The Scary Brown Other! |
kwassa |
Sep-13-09 11:31 PM |
#25 |
 
And the 'core' reason |
JustAnotherGen |
Sep-14-09 07:41 AM |
#41 |
 
I've watched |
PSzymeczek |
Sep-15-09 01:47 AM |
#178 |

there universe is not abundant, they are so afraid they won't get 'enough' |
NMDemDist2 |
Sep-14-09 12:02 AM |
#27 |

I too am old enough |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 12:03 AM |
#28 |
 
Sorry, but I think white racism stands nicely on its own...I don't think it |
whathehell |
Sep-14-09 05:29 AM |
#36 |

True that, but |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 04:25 PM |
#104 |

The White Race is the majority race in America...The Christian Religion |
whathehell |
Sep-14-09 07:30 PM |
#129 |
 
I agree with |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 08:26 PM |
#136 |
 
And we have Pakistan and India and Bangladesh because...... |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 10:05 PM |
#155 |

A "Christian" who |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 11:22 PM |
#165 |

Religion, and it's place in most if not all societies is "simply" -- |
whathehell |
Sep-15-09 09:46 AM |
#187 |

religion ws used to justify slavery |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 08:28 PM |
#137 |

Exactly, and |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 08:42 PM |
#142 |

It's "traditional" in the hate groups...Certainly not in my Christian upbringing..and BTW |
whathehell |
Sep-15-09 11:43 AM |
#190 |

no, but i know some american christians used their religion to justify |
noiretextatique |
Sep-15-09 02:32 PM |
#192 |

You Betcha It's About Race! |
Keepin It Real |
Sep-14-09 12:24 AM |
#29 |

As much as I'd love to be able to disagree, I've just gone another round... |
DCKit |
Sep-14-09 12:29 AM |
#30 |

K&R |
BrklynLiberal |
Sep-14-09 01:17 AM |
#31 |

Some of the most racist things I have ever heard came out of my mother's mouth |
WatchWhatISay |
Sep-14-09 02:16 AM |
#32 |

kikanrek |
tomm2thumbs |
Sep-14-09 02:20 AM |
#33 |

I think these people feel they now have 'permission' to express their racism openly. |
Kablooie |
Sep-14-09 03:38 AM |
#34 |

I agree 100%.... |
Syntheto |
Sep-14-09 05:13 AM |
#35 |

I think it's about race. |
ScottLand |
Sep-14-09 05:46 AM |
#37 |
 
subjected to this much scrutiny. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 10:19 PM |
#156 |

Granted. |
ScottLand |
Sep-15-09 03:02 AM |
#182 |

Yes, it's about racism, but a racism stoked and funded by corporations. |
fasttense |
Sep-14-09 05:56 AM |
#38 |

I believe race is without a doubt a factor |
Skittles |
Sep-14-09 05:59 AM |
#39 |

I don't think it's ALL about race |
nxylas |
Sep-14-09 06:32 AM |
#40 |

Anytime anybody says it's not racism. . .IT'S RACISM. |
DinahMoeHum |
Sep-14-09 09:52 AM |
#46 |

I posted this before, but it seems to fit this discussion. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Sep-14-09 09:53 AM |
#47 |
 
that was an effective letter |
barbtries |
Sep-14-09 10:36 AM |
#55 |
  
I'm ashamed to admit this. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Sep-14-09 11:13 AM |
#67 |
 
Uh...Middle Easterners are not Asian. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-14-09 10:27 PM |
#159 |

Actually, |
PSzymeczek |
Sep-15-09 01:57 AM |
#179 |
 
Thank you for the confirmation. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Sep-15-09 07:21 AM |
#184 |

For extra credit in |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 11:32 PM |
#206 |

I agree totally |
Richd506 |
Sep-14-09 10:00 AM |
#49 |

I almost agree, but lets face it, the hated Clinton just the same |
the other one |
Sep-14-09 10:03 AM |
#51 |

Of course it's not racism |
connecticut yankee |
Sep-14-09 10:04 AM |
#52 |
 
Yet, Glenn Beck claims that President Obama |
Kajsa |
Sep-14-09 10:52 AM |
#59 |

yes it certainly is about race. and it is racism. |
barbtries |
Sep-14-09 10:15 AM |
#53 |

She was mocking a hanging lynched black man, and she's probably still alive |
Rozlee |
Sep-14-09 10:45 AM |
#56 |

Thank you, TygrBright, for a great post! |
KalicoKitty |
Sep-14-09 10:52 AM |
#60 |

YES! |
lupinella |
Sep-14-09 10:55 AM |
#61 |
 
There was a reason I didn't find out about my Choctaw and |
juno jones |
Sep-14-09 02:24 PM |
#93 |

Con su permiso, a reprise of a little essay I wrote some time ago-- |
Jackpine Radical |
Sep-14-09 10:56 AM |
#62 |

It is very much about racism. |
Kajsa |
Sep-14-09 10:59 AM |
#63 |

You are describing what I call "unconscious racism." |
bigmonkey |
Sep-14-09 11:25 AM |
#69 |
 
I agree with you about "unconscious racism" |
Love Bug |
Sep-14-09 02:26 PM |
#94 |

It is all about fear, but it doesn't help that they're afraid to admit their racism. |
bigmonkey |
Sep-14-09 07:31 PM |
#130 |
 
Admitting their racism would be a first step towards overcoming it |
Love Bug |
Sep-15-09 12:09 PM |
#191 |

I take people as individuals. |
PSzymeczek |
Sep-15-09 02:10 AM |
#180 |

I know exactly what |
billh58 |
Sep-16-09 12:00 AM |
#207 |

The Evil People and their minions The Stoopids can see every race but the human race. nt |
valerief |
Sep-14-09 11:49 AM |
#70 |
 
Grow up |
nebutar |
Sep-14-09 12:27 PM |
#76 |

But I'm already buying insurance! |
valerief |
Sep-14-09 12:37 PM |
#78 |

Odd, because I automatically write off racists as bad people |
Raineyb |
Sep-14-09 12:55 PM |
#80 |

call it whatever you need to call it |
SemperEadem |
Sep-14-09 09:25 PM |
#152 |

And you have posted a |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 10:21 PM |
#157 |

It's sad that it is racism that is fueling the teabaggers, but we knew it was there |
Major Hogwash |
Sep-14-09 12:07 PM |
#71 |

major kick! |
Blue_Tires |
Sep-14-09 12:07 PM |
#72 |

K&R for this thread. |
road2000 |
Sep-14-09 12:11 PM |
#74 |

I agree, accusations of racism are much more politically convenient and expedient. |
newtothegame |
Sep-14-09 12:26 PM |
#75 |

I don't want "that man" talking to my children |
young_at_heart |
Sep-14-09 12:30 PM |
#77 |

I believe your perception of the situation is on target, TygrBright. |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-14-09 12:40 PM |
#79 |

Great piece. Happy to K&R. |
Ignis |
Sep-14-09 01:02 PM |
#81 |

Indeed |
joewilsonwhat |
Sep-14-09 01:11 PM |
#82 |

thanks so much for this Bright |
noiretextatique |
Sep-14-09 01:18 PM |
#85 |

I feel embarrassed... |
lin_e65 |
Sep-14-09 01:23 PM |
#86 |
 
love your post |
Number23 |
Sep-14-09 06:41 PM |
#125 |

Old Bob Dylan song here: |
RedCloud |
Sep-14-09 03:18 PM |
#95 |

Truer words have never been spoken Thank you, Bright. K&R |
Fire1 |
Sep-14-09 03:27 PM |
#97 |

It definately is about racism and the racist are coming out of the woodwork! |
Robyn66 |
Sep-14-09 03:35 PM |
#98 |

kick and rec'd with a fist in the air |
HopeOverFear |
Sep-14-09 03:39 PM |
#100 |

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Name removed |
Sep-14-09 03:48 PM |
#102 |
 
We don't protest "him"---we protest his acitons, policies, etc. |
young_at_heart |
Sep-14-09 04:10 PM |
#103 |
 
By "our side," |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 04:42 PM |
#106 |
 
You didn't read the OP or you would know your |
Cha |
Sep-14-09 04:55 PM |
#110 |

Please forgive me Cha, hero of the DU, for my foolishness. |
H8TR |
Sep-14-09 05:08 PM |
#111 |

Don't be an asshole.. |
Cha |
Sep-14-09 05:12 PM |
#113 |

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Sep-14-09 05:39 PM |
#116 |

My, what an |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 05:41 PM |
#118 |

he..she..it (?) started it!! |
H8TR |
Sep-14-09 06:01 PM |
#120 |

So? |
Cha |
Sep-14-09 07:59 PM |
#132 |

"the signature of hate is unmistakable" |
hfojvt |
Sep-14-09 05:09 PM |
#112 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-14-09 06:11 PM |
#121 |
  
Why do you |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 07:08 PM |
#128 |
 
or those turning a blind eye to it |
fascisthunter |
Sep-14-09 10:50 PM |
#160 |

Your exactly right! n/t |
southern_belle |
Sep-14-09 05:39 PM |
#117 |

As a teacher I'm thankful that Obama |
undergroundnomore |
Sep-14-09 06:15 PM |
#123 |
 
Thank you for your perspective, undergroundnomore~ |
Cha |
Sep-14-09 08:00 PM |
#133 |

It's rough |
LatteLibertine |
Sep-14-09 07:39 PM |
#131 |

BEAUTIFULLY articulated - the sheer irrationality of the thoughts and |
truthrocks |
Sep-14-09 08:04 PM |
#134 |

very well put |
SemperEadem |
Sep-14-09 08:37 PM |
#141 |
 
It's not racism; it's ideology |
AverageJoe5 |
Sep-14-09 08:52 PM |
#145 |

Have you been paying |
billh58 |
Sep-14-09 09:17 PM |
#149 |

Steele isn't proof of anything |
kwassa |
Sep-14-09 10:22 PM |
#158 |
 
Their attacks on Clinton were harsher than their attacks on Obama |
AverageJoe5 |
Sep-15-09 12:05 AM |
#170 |

You keep comparing |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 12:54 AM |
#175 |

great post for summing up the issues. |
kwassa |
Sep-15-09 10:25 AM |
#188 |

wish i could recommend your post |
noiretextatique |
Sep-15-09 02:36 PM |
#194 |

Thanks |
billh58 |
Sep-15-09 03:13 PM |
#198 |

I'm sorry |
SemperEadem |
Sep-15-09 03:08 PM |
#196 |

Every time I see these people |
Ghost of Tom Joad |
Sep-15-09 09:45 PM |
#205 |

It is Ideology Not Race Which Divides Us |
bumpback |
Sep-16-09 10:25 AM |
#208 |

You are quoting a conservative opinion article at length and are pretending it is liberal. |
kwassa |
Sep-16-09 11:32 PM |
#210 |
 
+1 |
billh58 |
Sep-16-09 11:38 PM |
#211 |

Thanks for |
billh58 |
Sep-17-09 01:43 AM |
#212 |