Bernardo de La Paz
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Wed Nov-19-08 02:25 PM
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| 8. Enlightenment is the key. |
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If everyone were enlightened, politics would be minimal and almost automatic. Studies would be done on any issue, and the facts found and the course of action would be almost always self-evident.
"Enlightened self-interest" is not an idle phrase and not to be dismissed lightly. The examples of antibiotics and the "tragedy of the commons" are good and are examples where government regulation performs a role in the absence of enlightenment and education.
The Republicans are anti-libertarian in many ways, despite paying lip service to the ideal. They are anti-science, for example. They aren't even proper conservatives because they don't conserve the environment.
It seems at times as if the Republicans are anti-education as well. So much the better for keeping the sheeple consuming pickup trucks and faux fur toilet seat covers and sports tickets and beer. So much easier to rule them with Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD).
Get people educated, which means not just knowledge, but the ability to think analytically and to communicate clearly and effectively. Read my H.G. Wells quote in my tag line.
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| -Why Liberals are Not Libertarians |
CrisisPapers |
Nov-19-08 09:55 AM |
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That's a journey I took as well. |
UnrepentantUnitarian |
Nov-19-08 10:00 AM |
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The comic book libertarian is immoral/amoral. In truth, freedom is highly moral. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 02:58 PM |
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If only the world were all libertarian AND moral........... |
erny |
Nov-21-08 09:35 AM |
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erny = Ernest Partridge? |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 10:42 AM |
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Good article, thanks for posting it. |
mgc1961 |
Nov-19-08 10:57 AM |
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Excellent. I'm sending this to some Libertarian friends. |
IMModerate |
Nov-19-08 12:10 PM |
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There was a brief time about eight or nine years ago |
Downtown Hound |
Nov-19-08 01:15 PM |
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You set up a strawman and knocked it over. Your charicature is ludicrous and useless. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 02:53 PM |
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You post the same thing repeatedly |
Downtown Hound |
Nov-19-08 04:09 PM |
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Would libertarians let me develop my own nuclear arsenal? |
DUlover2909 |
Nov-21-08 07:05 AM |
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I'm sending this to my libertarian uncle... |
arikara |
Nov-19-08 01:26 PM |
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Any article that exposes Libertarianism's silliness deserves a K&R |
Chulanowa |
Nov-19-08 01:39 PM |
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You set up a strawman and knocked it over. Your charicature is ludicrous and useless. . . nt |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 02:52 PM |
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You post the same thing repeatedly |
Downtown Hound |
Nov-19-08 04:10 PM |
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I'm guessing that either you know little of libertarians, or you fancy yourself one |
Chulanowa |
Nov-19-08 07:18 PM |
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Not just selfishness, but arrogance |
skepticscott |
Nov-19-08 08:51 PM |
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Always reminds me of this: |
Chulanowa |
Nov-20-08 01:48 PM |
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Sorry, I'm not going to argue with absolutists who see only black and white. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 12:19 AM |
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American politics is a duopoly, sheer idiocy. Politics has at least two dimensions & 4 quadrants |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 02:17 PM |
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Enlightenment is the key. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 02:25 PM |
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Yup. Enlightenment. Everyone. THAT'S gonna happen, alright. Right about next Wednesday. |
TygrBright |
Nov-20-08 07:40 PM |
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If you really want debate, respect your opponent & stop cheap 3rd grade nonsense like "Libbie". |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 10:20 AM |
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'Scuse me. Where did I say (write) "hopelessly naive?" |
TygrBright |
Nov-21-08 11:58 AM |
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Post #30. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 12:03 PM |
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Thanks! Time for a reading comp refresher course, indeed. n/t |
TygrBright |
Nov-21-08 12:36 PM |
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The only ones truly free in a Libertarian utopia are the ones with the most money. |
hangman86 |
Nov-19-08 03:25 PM |
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Nonsense. 1) Truly free are free anywhere. 2) Libertarianism is not an absence of laws or morals. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-19-08 03:37 PM |
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Alright so explain |
hangman86 |
Nov-19-08 03:46 PM |
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Libertarians are great at moving the goal posts when they're challenged |
skepticscott |
Nov-19-08 03:59 PM |
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Another absolutist sets up a strawman. Not all liberals are maoist communists either. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 12:22 AM |
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I asked you |
skepticscott |
Nov-21-08 05:22 AM |
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I will not be defined by you or any party. You are adding absolutist junk to what others write. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 11:15 AM |
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Now who's setting up straw men? |
skepticscott |
Nov-22-08 11:39 AM |
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The only functions of government that Libertarians like are the ones that |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-08 11:46 AM |
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Excellent essay. Thom Hartmann has also presented this great argument. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-19-08 03:38 PM |
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I only got halfway through it, but it's probably the single most important article |
The Backlash Cometh |
Nov-19-08 05:01 PM |
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Perhaps one of the best proofs |
skepticscott |
Nov-19-08 06:23 PM |
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Actually, some of them got away with some pretty outlandish things. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Nov-20-08 06:53 AM |
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I think Libertarians know that |
skepticscott |
Nov-20-08 04:41 PM |
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No proof at all, evidence for the opposite, because Bush is authoritarian = anti-libertarian. |
Bernardo de La Paz |
Nov-21-08 12:26 AM |
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Libertarians are more like conservatives |
hyperdemocrat |
Nov-19-08 08:48 PM |
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Libertarians are republicans too embarassed to admit it |
comtec |
Nov-20-08 03:11 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Nov-20-08 01:01 AM |
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libertarians |
Locrian |
Nov-20-08 06:04 AM |
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