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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
45. Nazis and Communists most certainly did kill in the name of non-belief
although it was non-belief in Naziism and Communism, rather than non-belief in a given deity or religious philosophy. Religious movements have oppressed and exploited those who disagreed with their religious views, political movements have oppressed and exploited those who disagreed with their political views, etc. I'm afraid we're never gonna run short on imagined excuses to hurt one another. I agree whole-heartedly with most of what you said, it's just that I see the various instances of religious intollerance through the ages as a means toward an end of political power, and I am aware that other means have been used toward that same end. Which doesn't excuse any of it, of course. Not by a long shot.
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  -How should I deal with nasty atheists? AuntiePinko  Jul-27-06 01:11 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-06 01:25 PM   #1 
  - Good analogy.  augie38   Jul-27-06 01:53 PM   #2 
  - Bad Analogy  southpaw   Jul-27-06 02:43 PM   #6 
  - A better analogy; I was standing at the roulette  pokercat999   Jul-27-06 05:33 PM   #21 
  - No further proof than your reply is needed. n/t  shain from kane   Jul-27-06 05:50 PM   #22 
  - You need to get off your high horse  Gonnabuymeagun   Jul-27-06 06:58 PM   #30 
  - Shain...  southpaw   Jul-28-06 08:14 AM   #106 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-06 02:57 PM   #124 
        - Just as I expected...  southpaw   Jul-28-06 03:26 PM   #126 
  - All Ideaologies are open to criticism!  and-justice-for-all   Jul-28-06 12:49 AM   #71 
     - Madalyn Murray OHair. She's the atheist they found dismembered right?  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 03:12 AM   #77 
        - O'Hair was killed for money  shrike   Jul-28-06 08:51 AM   #109 
        - Interesting conclusion, but wrong  erknm   Jul-28-06 11:45 AM   #118 
  - What the...???  Bette Noir   Jul-27-06 02:47 PM   #7 
  - No further proof than your reply is needed. n/t  shain from kane   Jul-27-06 05:50 PM   #23 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-27-06 05:25 PM   #20 
  - the only thing i could find that could possibly merit deletion was...  jahyarain   Jul-31-06 03:18 PM   #140 
  - Your analogy is the root of the problem  Goblinmonger   Jul-27-06 07:08 PM   #31 
  - It's a sign of his or her own weak faith, nothing more.  girl gone mad   Jul-28-06 12:45 AM   #70 
  - Um..thats a very prejudiced response  Evoman   Jul-27-06 09:32 PM   #53 
  - Untrue  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-27-06 11:36 PM   #64 
  - I do so love how people assume that all atheists  Jamastiene   Jul-28-06 03:25 AM   #80 
     - That's just it  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-28-06 03:44 AM   #82 
  - You know, I would rather prefer it if you were more polite.  Random_Australian   Jul-27-06 11:40 PM   #66 
  - Thanks for calling all atheists liars and murders.  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 03:10 AM   #76 
  - Auntie Pinko, as a converted-atheist, I think there are some who would  sinkingfeeling   Jul-27-06 01:54 PM   #3 
  - oft-cited definition of 'faith'  LanternWaste   Jul-27-06 02:57 PM   #9 
  - But aren't you assuming there's something there to understand?  jilln   Jul-27-06 03:35 PM   #10 
  - Even a negative needs to be comprehended  LanternWaste   Jul-27-06 03:56 PM   #13 
  - Is it a negative, or just an "imaginary friend"?  jilln   Jul-27-06 04:17 PM   #16 
  - The OP agrees with you: "atheists believe there is nothing there to  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:47 PM   #41 
  - US v Seeger  Hamlette   Jul-28-06 12:40 AM   #69 
  - faith  RealAle   Jul-28-06 07:22 AM   #92 
     - welcome to DU!  jahyarain   Jul-28-06 05:05 PM   #129 
     - No faith  cyborg_jim   Jul-29-06 08:39 AM   #137 
  - Ummm, no  goondogger   Jul-27-06 04:03 PM   #14 
  - Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.  valerief   Jul-27-06 07:44 PM   #39 
  - Faith is borrowed from the outside. Trust, is something from within.  dunn   Jul-28-06 08:44 PM   #131 
  - Indeed, and it is time to move to something greater  abester   Jul-27-06 07:18 PM   #34 
  - She didn't say that atheism was a faith. She said that atheism was  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:27 PM   #35 
  - self-delete (dupe)  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:49 PM   #42 
  - Excellent !  RethugAssKicker   Jul-27-06 02:10 PM   #4 
  - Perfect.  whrab   Jul-27-06 02:23 PM   #5 
  - There really is no excuse for rudeness either from  anotheryellowdog   Jul-27-06 02:50 PM   #8 
  - Auntie Pinko is The reason I joined DU  galileo3000   Jul-27-06 03:41 PM   #11 
  - And where does this person encounter all those 'nasty' atheists?  thecatburgler   Jul-27-06 03:50 PM   #12 
  - I remember working for a woman who was appalled  CrispyQGirl   Jul-27-06 04:31 PM   #17 
  - I worked with her sister...  LittleOne   Jul-28-06 08:10 AM   #103 
  - In person occasionally  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-27-06 04:51 PM   #18 
  - It's not necessarily in blogs. I've known people first-hand...  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 05:56 PM   #24 
  - My own personal experience is that the obnoxious relilgious are all too  TankLV   Jul-27-06 08:27 PM   #44 
     - Certainly, there ARE many more obnoxious religious folks than there are  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 08:54 PM   #49 
     - And the religious right is larger than the religious left.  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 06:35 AM   #87 
     - Exactly.  PegDAC   Jul-27-06 09:21 PM   #51 
  - Well, sometimes we run into nastiness right here at DU  arnheim   Jul-28-06 08:59 AM   #110 
     - You are of course right that your beliefs deserve tolerance... until  jilln   Jul-28-06 09:43 AM   #114 
        - Excellent points  thecatburgler   Jul-28-06 12:35 PM   #120 
        - Right, and I forgot to mention holidays...  jilln   Jul-28-06 03:48 PM   #127 
           - That is another irritation with me  thecatburgler   Jul-28-06 06:15 PM   #130 
              - HAHAHA!  jilln   Jul-28-06 09:43 PM   #133 
        - Oh, I agree. No one should force their religion on anyone  arnheim   Jul-28-06 02:28 PM   #123 
  - Great advice Auntie  mayfire62   Jul-27-06 04:07 PM   #15 
  - I'm an agnostic -- but I have NEVER EVER met an atheist...  byronius   Jul-27-06 04:55 PM   #19 
  - "Atheists wouldn't ever do that" -- MY ASS!!!  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 06:13 PM   #26 
  - RE: "Atheists wouldn't ever do that" -- MY ASS!!!  cyborg_jim   Jul-27-06 06:52 PM   #28 
  - Nazis and Communists most certainly did kill in the name of non-belief  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 08:32 PM   #45 
  - Nazis were absolutely Christian. Communists definitely had beliefs.  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 03:15 AM   #78 
     - Which nazis?  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 05:37 AM   #83 
        - On Nazism & Christianity from Wikipedia:  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 06:22 AM   #86 
        - You can't have it both ways...  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 07:03 AM   #90 
           - Well it's definitely true that states can create suffering w/o God.  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 02:59 PM   #125 
        - Hitler's beliefs are complicated  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 07:53 AM   #97 
           - I think he was at least born and/or raised catholic...  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 08:09 AM   #102 
  - Isnt that Hypnosis?  and-justice-for-all   Jul-28-06 01:02 AM   #72 
     - Actually, there are a couple more there --  NCevilDUer   Jul-28-06 09:47 AM   #115 
  - Point sorta taken. However --  byronius   Jul-27-06 06:53 PM   #29 
  - I loved your example of Al Gore --  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 08:21 PM   #43 
  - Not the problem  cyborg_jim   Jul-29-06 08:25 AM   #136 
  - Another reason I liked your response....  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 11:12 PM   #62 
     - I am sure there are athiests who are like that......  springhill   Jul-28-06 01:33 AM   #73 
        - I agree. But they ARE out there! :)  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 05:40 AM   #85 
  - Couple things  Goblinmonger   Jul-27-06 07:13 PM   #32 
  - Couple things back at ya  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 08:47 PM   #47 
     - I would certainly agree  Goblinmonger   Jul-27-06 10:46 PM   #60 
  - Gott Mit Uns  noobie2   Jul-27-06 09:29 PM   #52 
  - I'm a lapsed Lutheran and well aware that Brother Martin  PurpleChez   Jul-27-06 10:10 PM   #59 
  - I find it no different than what is happening today with Bush.  noobie2   Jul-27-06 11:39 PM   #65 
     - Neither do I. As I typed the lines about nazis using a religion they  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 05:39 AM   #84 
  - Hey!  markbark   Jul-28-06 07:50 AM   #96 
  - Means nothing  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 07:57 AM   #99 
  - Always somebody has to pull out the Stalin card  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jul-27-06 11:44 PM   #67 
  - Actually, I agree completely...  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 07:05 AM   #91 
  - I think a Christian making those distinctions would be wrong  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-28-06 07:44 AM   #94 
  - as my "but..." might have suggested, I agree  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 08:07 AM   #100 
  - They'd be wrong  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 08:07 AM   #101 
     - Excellent Crusades info! Yowza.  PurpleChez   Jul-28-06 09:21 AM   #112 
        - It's my pet subject  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 09:27 AM   #113 
  - He did try to enforce atheism in the Soviet Union, though,  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-28-06 09:30 PM   #132 
  - The Nazis were praciticing Christians.  girl gone mad   Jul-28-06 01:55 AM   #75 
  - Hah!  catbert836   Jul-28-06 04:04 PM   #128 
  - I've never met that kind of atheist in person, either,  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:30 PM   #37 
  - pnwmom, if you would not mind stirring the pot, I would like that.  Random_Australian   Jul-27-06 11:36 PM   #63 
  - They are out there  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 07:50 AM   #95 
  - Fear  thecatburgler   Jul-28-06 12:37 PM   #121 
  - NASTY ATHEISTS!!!!  Demeter   Jul-27-06 05:59 PM   #25 
  - The idea of an all powerful being;  greiner3   Jul-27-06 06:15 PM   #27 
  - Speaking of dealing with something for the X,XXXth time  Goblinmonger   Jul-27-06 07:15 PM   #33 
  - Yep, that one always gets me, too....  Robeson   Jul-27-06 07:29 PM   #36 
  - Absence of a belief system makes you an  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:44 PM   #40 
     - No, I was speaking of the word "atheist" in it's broadest sense...  Robeson   Jul-27-06 08:48 PM   #48 
  - Depends on your definition of atheism.  pnwmom   Jul-27-06 07:42 PM   #38 
     - Allow me to retort.  Goblinmonger   Jul-27-06 10:55 PM   #61 
        - Again, that's by your definition, which isn't universally accepted.  pnwmom   Jul-28-06 06:58 AM   #89 
  - I am atheist, but speak only for myself.  raggedcompany   Jul-27-06 08:34 PM   #46 
  - I couldn't believe how much god talk there was in my work place  CrispyQGirl   Jul-28-06 08:49 AM   #108 
  - I'm a Christian, and I'll say that I see more Christians being intolerant  GOPBasher   Jul-27-06 09:17 PM   #50 
  - The problem with religion...  rambler_american   Jul-27-06 09:33 PM   #54 
  - as an atheist myself  noobie2   Jul-27-06 09:47 PM   #55 
  - Thanks Auntie Pinko! Rove pays trolls to visit DU and start flame wars  TwentyFive   Jul-27-06 09:49 PM   #56 
  - I don't think Rove is hiring atheists to come to DU.  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 03:36 AM   #81 
  - One problem, Auntie  catbert836   Jul-27-06 09:53 PM   #57 
  - You're right  p12psicop   Jul-28-06 12:36 AM   #68 
  - athieism CAN be a belief  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 08:13 AM   #105 
     - Speaking as an atheist, I would flip those two definition.  NCevilDUer   Jul-28-06 10:17 AM   #116 
        - Fine  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 10:46 AM   #117 
           - Agree.  NCevilDUer   Jul-28-06 11:53 AM   #119 
           - Only if not believing in unicorns is the same level of belief  WakingLife   Jul-28-06 01:48 PM   #122 
              - I'm not saying they're the same LEVEL of belief  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 09:44 PM   #134 
  - Bravo.  danhan   Jul-27-06 09:58 PM   #58 
  - There is no such thing as an ethically privileged epistemology  eridani   Jul-28-06 01:54 AM   #74 
  - Reminds me of Badiou's book on Ethics. /nt  readmoreoften   Jul-28-06 03:18 AM   #79 
  - An interesting ramble, but  Somawas   Jul-28-06 06:45 AM   #88 
  - A question about fairy tales.  WakingLife   Jul-28-06 07:40 AM   #93 
  - I did a poll in the Religion and Theology forum trying to find the line  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-28-06 08:11 AM   #104 
  - Totally off-topic but...  Prophet 451   Jul-28-06 08:27 AM   #107 
  - Strangely, I can find descriptions of God as both 'invisible' and 'friend'  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-28-06 07:56 AM   #98 
  - I have a question, too, Auntie.  neebob   Jul-28-06 09:19 AM   #111 
  - Interesting...I think that people should show respect for beliefs  rasputin1952   Jul-29-06 07:49 AM   #135 
     - Hitler was reviving the ancient Germanic pagan religion  raging moderate   Jul-29-06 06:26 PM   #138 
        - Welcome to DU! If you want to look at things...  rasputin1952   Jul-29-06 06:49 PM   #139 
 

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