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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 01:15 AM
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71. The Truth About Kent State by Peter Davies
It's always the first I recommend. It's out of print but you can find copies through Amazon independent dealers. It was originally written in 1971-1972 as an argument for why Congress and/or the Justice Department should investigate what happened. Then it was turned into a book. One of the reasons I like Peter's book so much is because he uses the photos to prove his points.

(On a personal note, I like it because it was Peter's book that got me into the research. Peter was living in Staten Island, appalled at the shootings. He wrote a note to Arthur Krause, Allison's father, after the shootings sharing his horror. From that note, Arthur knew Peter was something special and Arthur reeled Peter into the web of investigators. Three years later, I picked up Peter's book at the library, couldn't stop studying it, had a question, sent him a letter and he saw in my letter the same dogged curiosity that Arthur had seen in Peter's and, as Peter once told me, he did to me what Arthur had done to him.)

There are really surprisingly few books about Kent State ... especially if you compare it to, say, the Kennedy assassination. I have (nearly -- see below) every book ever written on the subject, including multiple copies of some, additional magazines, unpublished manuscripts, memorial programs, etc., etc., and I still think it probably all takes up less that 5 feet of shelving space.

Because Peter's was written so long ago, there is a lot that we've begun to question since then that isn't included. The only book that really covers the stuff that happened after the early 70s is by Bill Gordon. It's been published in hard and soft cover, confusingly with a name change in between. In hardcover, it's called "The Fourth of May" and in paperback "Four Dead in Ohio." Again, you can find it through Amazon's independent booksellers. I know, like, and respect Bill and his research. Unfortunately, though, I have to say that I think he has trouble sustaining a clear narrative for people because he's so involved in the minutiae. I am, as you might suspect, a devotee of Kent State minutiae so I find Bill's book very valuable but I suspect for those who are just trying to learn what happened, it's a forest with the trees in the way.

Philip Caputo, a good writer, also recently released "Thirteen Seconds." It is actually still in print but I haven't read it. :-) From what I've read and heard, it's a good narrative. His "Rumour of War" was outstanding so this, too, should be good. (You've actually made me just go order it so that I can have a better sense of this book.) It also comes with a DVD, of what I don't really know. There is also another older book called "Thirteen Seconds" written by Joe Eszterhas, who was then a Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter and subsequently went on to write screenplays. It's good but was out within a year so it really doesn't cover a lot of the questions. Wanted to mention it so that you'd be aware of the two books, by different authors, with the same name.
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  -"They Just Started Shooting Us Down" -- Kent State kainah  May-03-06 03:06 PM   #0 
  - Those "twenty-eight Ohio National Guardsmen" are PIGS...  AX10   May-03-06 03:07 PM   #1 
  - Ohio nat.guard  spag68   May-03-06 03:16 PM   #3 
     - I am in sympathy with the NG, but not with the OIC.  flamin lib   May-03-06 03:23 PM   #5 
     - What the fuck??!!  LoZoccolo   May-03-06 04:01 PM   #18 
        - I don't know your history or experience but being in a situation like  flamin lib   May-03-06 04:34 PM   #23 
           - can't agree with you on this  kainah   May-03-06 04:41 PM   #24 
           - no one was killed in a dorm  kainah   May-03-06 04:45 PM   #25 
           - On reflection you are right--no deaths is dorms.  flamin lib   May-03-06 05:03 PM   #31 
           - I know Joe Lewis personally  Steve_DeShazer   May-03-06 07:37 PM   #44 
           - Giving the Finger Does Not Justify Shooting & Killing  AuntiBush   May-04-06 08:55 AM   #57 
           - I've been in one and cops on cycles just started to 'mow us over'  katty   May-03-06 06:45 PM   #42 
           - Bull,They had a personal vendetta,They took aim at at least two of them.  DianaForRussFeingold   May-04-06 04:48 PM   #68 
     - They were murdering bastards  DELUSIONAL   May-03-06 03:30 PM   #6 
     - No effort was made to make the murdering bastards pay  kainah   May-03-06 03:47 PM   #12 
     - agree in part and disagree in part  kainah   May-03-06 03:44 PM   #11 
     - Actually, they were fascists and pigs.  LoZoccolo   May-03-06 03:53 PM   #14 
     - If you are going to be "shitting in your pants" then.....  AX10   May-03-06 05:48 PM   #36 
     - Thanks for that Tidbit  AuntiBush   May-04-06 08:53 AM   #56 
  - K&R - Thank you for posting this!  Cooley Hurd   May-03-06 03:09 PM   #2 
  - I was stationed in Ft Lee, VA at the time and assigned to a  flamin lib   May-03-06 03:19 PM   #4 
  - weekend warriors' blood would have mixed  kainah   May-03-06 03:52 PM   #13 
  - No, I mean that the BFD would probably defended the students.  flamin lib   May-03-06 04:21 PM   #21 
     - thanks for the explanation n/t  kainah   May-03-06 04:47 PM   #26 
     - How would the BFD have stopped the National Guard from...  AX10   May-03-06 05:50 PM   #37 
        - If BFD was on site the OIC would have been in command.  flamin lib   May-03-06 06:14 PM   #38 
           - Thank you for the explanation.  AX10   May-03-06 06:23 PM   #40 
  - There were soldiers who were angry about the shooting?  AX10   May-03-06 05:46 PM   #35 
  - Yeah. Soldiers were angry The military isn't a monolithic entity.  flamin lib   May-03-06 06:31 PM   #41 
  - Tienanmen Square was similar to our Bonus March of 1932  EVDebs   May-04-06 09:52 AM   #59 
  - IMHO it was the decisive squirmish of the Vietnam War.  HereSince1628   May-03-06 03:30 PM   #7 
  - I was a kid and remember that day.  Sequoia   May-03-06 03:30 PM   #8 
  - A terrible day on a campus where I'd spent much time. Students  sinkingfeeling   May-03-06 03:35 PM   #9 
  - I also saw that about SDS  kainah   May-03-06 03:54 PM   #15 
  - I just gave you the 5th vote.  Sequoia   May-03-06 03:42 PM   #10 
  - thanks  kainah   May-03-06 03:57 PM   #16 
     - I read your thread  jbnow   May-03-06 09:57 PM   #47 
        - isn't really any explanation  kainah   May-04-06 01:13 AM   #51 
  - The murders at Kent State and Jackson State effectively shut down  T Wolf   May-03-06 03:59 PM   #17 
  - exactly right  kainah   May-03-06 04:51 PM   #27 
  - wrong  annabanana   May-04-06 05:24 AM   #53 
  - Tanks for the memories  tech3149   May-03-06 04:04 PM   #19 
  - My Kent State Page  lfairban   May-03-06 04:21 PM   #20 
  - I'm sure they still have the vigil  kainah   May-03-06 04:55 PM   #29 
  - Wow. This is an amazing post.  RandomKoolzip   May-03-06 04:30 PM   #22 
  - thanks  kainah   May-03-06 04:56 PM   #30 
  - What's the difference  edwardlindy   May-03-06 04:54 PM   #28 
  - Being Born A Boomer Hasn't Been All Beer and Skittles  Demeter   May-03-06 05:11 PM   #32 
  - I always heard they were "fatigued"  TorchesAndPitchforks   May-03-06 05:40 PM   #33 
  - yes  kainah   May-03-06 06:23 PM   #39 
  - Another K&R.  flamin lib   May-03-06 05:41 PM   #34 
  - VERY impressive work you've done on this!  vickitulsa   May-03-06 07:17 PM   #43 
  - Thanks, VickiTulsa for this  kainah   May-03-06 08:36 PM   #45 
     - Eerie parallel in my life to your mother's comment.  vickitulsa   May-03-06 10:39 PM   #49 
  - Wow, great post....... I was a senior in college and just got reclassified  RedEarth   May-03-06 09:43 PM   #46 
  - Incredible post! Fascinating...  Iowa   May-03-06 10:14 PM   #48 
  - my attitude toward the National Guard  kainah   May-04-06 01:26 AM   #52 
  - Thank you for doing this, for those of us who will never forget & those...  uppityperson   May-04-06 12:12 AM   #50 
  - It was a turning point in my life  ktlyon   May-04-06 06:59 AM   #54 
  - Sixty-Seven Rounds - Shew.  AuntiBush   May-04-06 08:44 AM   #55 
  - sit and wait for 13 seconds  kainah   May-04-06 12:55 PM   #60 
  - Moderator, related link, please merge ?  EVDebs   May-04-06 09:48 AM   #58 
  - at the very least  kainah   May-04-06 12:58 PM   #61 
  - I hope you're writing a book about this.  arikara   May-04-06 01:48 PM   #62 
  - a book  kainah   May-04-06 02:45 PM   #64 
  - From The Boston Globe  chonce   May-04-06 02:33 PM   #63 
  - Greg Payne  kainah   May-04-06 02:48 PM   #65 
     - J Gregory Payne  chonce   May-04-06 04:09 PM   #66 
        - thanks!  kainah   May-04-06 04:26 PM   #67 
  - Thanks, kainah, for these threads. Question - what book (or books)  kath   May-05-06 12:09 AM   #69 
  - The Truth About Kent State by Peter Davies  kainah   May-05-06 01:15 AM   #71 
     - Thanks very much.  kath   May-05-06 12:25 PM   #72 
  - Can never forget Kent State student murders...!  Imagevision   May-05-06 12:50 AM   #70 
  - kick  rman   May-06-06 06:47 AM   #73 
  - ttt !!  Blue_Tires   May-06-06 10:31 AM   #74 
  - Ohio , Buffalo SpringField Music Video 'Four Dead In Ohio'  DianaForRussFeingold   May-23-06 08:13 AM   #75 
 

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