RyomaSakamoto
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Sun Nov-14-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
| 9. ever heard of GITMO or ABU GHARIB? |
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 the imperial japanese used the term ILLEGAL COMBATANTS to try an execute the insurgents they faced while in Nanking. |
| -Iraq: Fears of serious war crimes in Falluja |
whirlygigspin |
Nov-14-04 10:39 PM |
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oh boy is AI is publicly saying this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 10:41 PM |
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and so does 60 million americans. |
okieinpain |
Nov-15-04 01:18 AM |
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War crimes? International humanitarian laws --- |
Emillereid |
Nov-14-04 10:42 PM |
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At least we are better than the insurgents, we don't car bomb children |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 10:49 PM |
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we drop 2000lb bombs from the sky and MACHINEGUN them to death |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 10:52 PM |
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or the Steel Rain |
mulethree |
Nov-15-04 04:22 AM |
#65 |
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The hell you are better! |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-14-04 11:08 PM |
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Wow! I hadn't considered that...really... |
Mikimouse |
Nov-14-04 11:47 PM |
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why take off the sarcasm. shit man we are all going to catch |
okieinpain |
Nov-15-04 01:20 AM |
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Yes, we are going to pay a heavy price for this shit |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-15-04 06:24 AM |
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....a bomb is a bomb.... |
leftchick |
Nov-15-04 04:29 AM |
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But what would we do if someone invaded our contry? |
cassiepriam |
Nov-15-04 05:04 AM |
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"Might" go to the same lengths??? |
chelaque liberal |
Nov-15-04 08:59 AM |
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what an ignoramous- just who fucking invaded whom? fuck clarke, too |
JSJ |
Nov-15-04 05:20 AM |
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great standard there |
Cocoa |
Nov-15-04 08:38 AM |
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And where the f*ck do you think they got the explosives to make |
merh |
Nov-15-04 09:24 AM |
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We. Should. Not. Be. There. |
livinbella |
Nov-15-04 09:45 AM |
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willie pete |
riverwalker |
Nov-15-04 10:02 AM |
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damn! I hadn't heard that term "willie pete" since the late 70s |
ElectroPrincess |
Nov-15-04 10:07 AM |
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Since chimp was never in war, maybe that's why it's his 1st choice. n/t |
VegasWolf |
Nov-15-04 11:52 AM |
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that is how we won our revolution |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-15-04 02:12 PM |
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What a surprise....not! |
marew |
Nov-14-04 10:49 PM |
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I assume the insurgents will be tried for war crimes as well? |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 10:51 PM |
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ever heard of GITMO or ABU GHARIB? |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 10:54 PM |
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Yes I have. I'm just trying to be even-handed here. All are guilty. |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 10:55 PM |
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I think your average Iraqi could easily claim self-defense. |
tuvor |
Nov-14-04 11:30 PM |
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Hey |
__Inanna__ |
Nov-14-04 11:41 PM |
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"Even handed"???? As in "Fair and Balanced". GMAFB. |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-15-04 06:43 AM |
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No, you are wrong in your thinking. n/t |
drdtroit |
Nov-15-04 09:43 AM |
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Try to explain that to the family |
devinsgram |
Nov-15-04 10:31 AM |
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even handed? |
SlavesandBulldozers |
Nov-15-04 10:50 AM |
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I'm Wondering... Can "Terrorists" Be Tried For "War Crimes?" |
Tace |
Nov-14-04 10:55 PM |
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Ironically, I don't think they could be |
daleo |
Nov-14-04 11:15 PM |
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Yes, note that Rank Has It's Privileges, the highest ranking |
ElectroPrincess |
Nov-15-04 06:08 AM |
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"Justice",... |
Just Me |
Nov-15-04 08:25 AM |
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Electroprincess, you have good posts. I guess because shit flows |
VegasWolf |
Nov-15-04 11:55 AM |
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It Would Fair |
atreides1 |
Nov-15-04 07:46 AM |
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Get a clue! n/t |
drdtroit |
Nov-15-04 09:41 AM |
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I suggest you go watch Red Dawn or Brave Heart |
merh |
Nov-15-04 09:47 AM |
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Why are you more worried about what they are doing than what we are? |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-15-04 02:19 PM |
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Interesting that you posted/pasted the very same |
cubsfan forever |
Nov-15-04 03:47 PM |
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Bushco Believes It Is Above The Law -- They Simply Don't Care |
Tace |
Nov-14-04 10:53 PM |
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I don't agree with Amnesty that this violated international law... |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 10:54 PM |
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Firstly, Amnesty International did not call it a war crime... |
Darranar |
Nov-14-04 10:57 PM |
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But it is clear there is no way on this Earth to "investigate" whether |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 10:58 PM |
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we do it all the time... ever here of slobodan milosevic? |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 11:02 PM |
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Just saying can't investigate whether that particular one was a threat |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 11:03 PM |
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why? |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 11:09 PM |
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Have you ever been in combat? |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 11:25 PM |
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wtf does that got to do with murdering civilians and denying the wounded |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 11:27 PM |
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If s/he's been in combat, I'm the Pope. |
Zhade |
Nov-15-04 03:01 AM |
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YES... and your point is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:42 PM |
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You misunderstand me, and also I was not directing the question to you |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 11:46 PM |
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I know |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:55 PM |
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Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 12:33 AM |
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Actually we do |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-04 12:51 AM |
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I agree there are war crimes being committed on both sides |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 12:55 AM |
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The invasion and occupation of Iraq was and remains a war crime. |
Zhade |
Nov-15-04 03:03 AM |
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I guess the fallujah citizens got the same luxury....oh, wait... |
Lerkfish |
Nov-15-04 08:00 AM |
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"Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" |
drdtroit |
Nov-15-04 09:50 AM |
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Actually, it is you who have the moral shortcomings |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 11:04 PM |
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Not allowing the civilians to leave the city is against international |
Spazito |
Nov-15-04 08:46 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-15-04 08:09 AM |
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targeting HOSPITALS, cutting off food and water to a whole city AND |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 10:57 PM |
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I have a hard time |
Kellis |
Nov-14-04 11:05 PM |
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I agree compeltely with your post. Well put. |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 11:05 PM |
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As a medic I know there are certain standards |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:18 PM |
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"Shit happens" |
Bridget Burke |
Nov-15-04 06:12 AM |
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believing how accepting some folks are of how low we have come |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 11:12 PM |
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I am completely against this war |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-14-04 11:30 PM |
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BOTH sides are commiting war crimes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:33 PM |
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Um, no... |
Darranar |
Nov-14-04 11:47 PM |
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You couldn't be more misinformed. |
Zhade |
Nov-15-04 03:10 AM |
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US military; most insurgents are Iraqis |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-15-04 04:58 AM |
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And those who never get mentioned |
lawladyprof |
Nov-15-04 06:24 AM |
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Even that's misleading (though it's from the military, so no surprise). |
Zhade |
Nov-15-04 02:05 PM |
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The people of Fallujah were warned to leave, you don't seem to acknowledge |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 11:08 PM |
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targeting and capturing hospitals is not a warcrime if the hospital is |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 11:10 PM |
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So when the resistance attacks the hospitals the U.S. are firing from... |
Zhade |
Nov-15-04 11:33 PM |
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If that should occur then no, I would not |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-16-04 12:00 AM |
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Not hypothetical - there have been reports of it happening. |
Zhade |
Nov-16-04 04:03 AM |
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WE are the agressors. |
truth2power |
Nov-15-04 08:18 AM |
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No kidding. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-15-04 12:13 AM |
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as it always is in all countries in all wars. |
pokercat999 |
Nov-15-04 05:05 AM |
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Which also brings up the nagging question... |
theHandpuppet |
Nov-15-04 05:58 AM |
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the insurgents/rebels... |
arcane1 |
Nov-14-04 11:21 PM |
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they have no choice but to fight ? |
PsychoDad |
Nov-15-04 05:22 AM |
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they do have a choice |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-15-04 02:24 PM |
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Thousands of innocent people are dead, |
Ariana Celeste |
Nov-15-04 03:40 PM |
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apparently they are confusing the american government |
ogradda |
Nov-14-04 11:12 PM |
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Jus ad bellum |
NCN007 |
Nov-14-04 11:15 PM |
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platoons don't order water, food cut-off for whole cities nor deny aid |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-14-04 11:21 PM |
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That's ridiculous |
daleo |
Nov-14-04 11:22 PM |
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You'd be surprsied how many |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:37 PM |
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A broad cross-section of people will help humanize an army |
daleo |
Nov-14-04 11:46 PM |
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Please google Jean Henry Dunnant |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:51 PM |
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I appreciate the advice re: Red Cross and Dunant |
daleo |
Nov-15-04 12:12 AM |
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Hear Hear !! eom |
__Inanna__ |
Nov-14-04 11:51 PM |
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A couple thoughts |
NCN007 |
Nov-15-04 10:20 AM |
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ok ok now you are going for some meat |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:29 PM |
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Im not condoning Abu Graib! |
Kellis |
Nov-14-04 11:29 PM |
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Been in combat |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-14-04 11:48 PM |
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nadinbrzezinski |
Kellis |
Nov-14-04 11:55 PM |
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two in fact |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-04 12:00 AM |
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You're delusional... |
llmart |
Nov-15-04 08:19 AM |
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I was refering |
NCN007 |
Nov-15-04 10:28 AM |
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Bellum And Bello .... a person cannot sign up to participate in a war |
prayin4rain |
Nov-15-04 08:28 AM |
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Man, good thing some of these posters weren't around when FDR and HST |
Bush was AWOL |
Nov-15-04 12:46 AM |
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You do know why the Kriegmarine did not face the music |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-15-04 12:55 AM |
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Supply Lines |
NCN007 |
Nov-15-04 11:19 AM |
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so i guess it was a waste to have the Nuremberg trials, eh? |
RyomaSakamoto |
Nov-15-04 12:55 AM |
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I really, really, REALLY AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS IN YOUR POST! |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 12:56 AM |
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I really, really DISAGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS IN YOUR POSTS collectively. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-15-04 08:03 AM |
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Take your filthy mouth somewhere else you coward |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-15-04 11:01 PM |
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As the spouse of an active duty soldier, I WILL NOT "lay off" ANY troops |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-15-04 11:05 PM |
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The thing I resented in your post was the implication of throwing all U.S. |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-16-04 12:04 AM |
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Yes but as the Lyndee England thing proves. That is not going to happen! |
wildwww2 |
Nov-15-04 06:37 AM |
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Man, it's a good thing you don't read history |
pschoeb |
Nov-15-04 09:23 AM |
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Thanks for summarizing the Geneva conventions |
Logansquare |
Nov-15-04 11:28 AM |
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At least when the allies bombed Germany they were retaliating |
fedsron2us |
Nov-15-04 03:19 PM |
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more serious than say.... |
bullimiami |
Nov-15-04 01:10 AM |
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I'm sick of the rationales too... |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-15-04 01:22 AM |
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International Law |
malaise |
Nov-15-04 05:10 AM |
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Well, that's the problem when your enemy is not |
lawladyprof |
Nov-15-04 06:09 AM |
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I don't understand why people who are over 40 y.o. can't see |
ElectroPrincess |
Nov-15-04 06:35 AM |
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Best post I`ve read on this thread. And I`m 48 years old.. |
wildwww2 |
Nov-15-04 06:45 AM |
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Bravo princess. |
bemildred |
Nov-15-04 07:52 AM |
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Thank you very much ... I feel sad about the lack of |
ElectroPrincess |
Nov-15-04 08:23 AM |
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Oh, I see it alright...and I'm 46. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-15-04 08:04 AM |
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Yes, I don't doubt it ... It's hell to live long enough to see the |
ElectroPrincess |
Nov-15-04 08:35 AM |
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Perfectly said! Thank you! n/t |
cubsfan forever |
Nov-15-04 03:49 PM |
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AP Photographer Flees Fallujah |
jmcgowanjm |
Nov-15-04 09:06 AM |
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Soldiers are ordering fleeing civilians to RETURN to city |
proudbluestater |
Nov-15-04 03:33 PM |
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Everyone should know you can watch Democracy Now |
Carolab |
Nov-15-04 11:57 PM |
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Too bad no one's going to see the war crime proof.. |
Blaze Diem |
Nov-15-04 03:45 PM |
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be careful in our thinking |
deeplydisturbed |
Nov-15-04 11:49 PM |
#132 |
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For several Fallujah stories visit |
Carolab |
Nov-15-04 11:58 PM |
#134 |
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CAN SOMEONE SITE THE APPLICABLE INTERNATIONAL RULES - |
MJDuncan1982 |
Nov-16-04 12:03 AM |
#136 |
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