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Sun Nov-14-04 11:55 AM
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| 14. More states rights and regional values |
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I've been to Montana and frankly it is a nation onto itself,
so to me, these dems did it right, addressed their culture and their issues.
Look at the gun issue, damn straight the Republicans have ruined environmental laws and hunting rights and so forth...
they took the issue head on to their audience, ranchers, farmers,
people living on the land and bam, they won.
On the other hand, I've lived in San Francisco, where clearly gay marriage should be the way, that is the cultural value of most and
that is the society, it's ready for it, can handle it and really is the regional cultural value.
what kills me is this is what Kerry basically said...he supported
state laws, which enables different regions of the country to
do what they want.
the repukes made it an issue with a stereotype.
Make the states more like the EU...you can go to Amsterdam which is
extremely liberal or go to Rome, where it is not...yet stay in "Europe" and move around the borders.
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| -NYT: Montana Democrats Reflect on Success (how Red State Dems did it) |
DeepModem Mom |
Nov-14-04 10:15 AM |
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kick |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-14-04 10:23 AM |
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Oh - and Schweitzer's running mate is Repug! |
flygal |
Nov-15-04 01:14 PM |
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Good for them |
DBoon |
Nov-14-04 10:29 AM |
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I've been saying this on DU for 2 years |
DinoBoy |
Nov-14-04 10:31 AM |
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And I will vouch for you |
Steve_DeShazer |
Nov-14-04 06:23 PM |
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Utah and Salt Lake County |
GoreDean2008 |
Nov-14-04 06:35 PM |
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It also helped that the state was in really bad shape, really hurting |
SharonAnn |
Nov-14-04 07:41 PM |
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In an election cycle the people in 2008 would want to vote for someone |
umtalal |
Nov-15-04 10:39 AM |
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Bingo! Don't forget to tie sporting guns/fishing with environmental |
frankzappa |
Nov-15-04 12:30 PM |
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But they do |
sandnsea |
Nov-15-04 01:51 PM |
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Proof that the center is wide open |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-14-04 10:36 AM |
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You are correct, but it seems many on DU can't hear what you just said |
OutsourceBush |
Nov-14-04 08:40 PM |
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Two of the most popular Democrats at DU |
RogueTrooper |
Nov-15-04 10:23 AM |
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Montana Is Great! |
mckara |
Nov-14-04 10:41 AM |
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A good post for the rural issues forum. |
Old and In the Way |
Nov-14-04 10:44 AM |
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Sounds like a blueprint for Democratic victory |
Lefty48197 |
Nov-14-04 10:55 AM |
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Congratulations MT DEMS. You got it so right! |
autorank |
Nov-14-04 10:56 AM |
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Uh |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-14-04 11:01 AM |
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No they didn't run as Republican lite- you didn't read. They spoke to |
Prodemsouth |
Nov-14-04 11:17 AM |
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EXACTLY. |
crispini |
Nov-14-04 12:25 PM |
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I agree they are not gop lite |
mitchtv |
Nov-14-04 03:36 PM |
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The lines are still well-defined, trust me |
Nimrod |
Nov-14-04 11:21 AM |
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I think this approach is a good basis and good object lesson |
Husb2Sparkly |
Nov-14-04 06:04 PM |
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Us Montana voters also voted for legalizing medical marijuana! |
havocmom |
Nov-14-04 03:10 PM |
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Well said - from another Mt voter! |
flygal |
Nov-15-04 11:22 AM |
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well, they're close to Canada |
mitchtv |
Nov-14-04 03:23 PM |
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Well, even the most repuggy repugs I know hated Judy Martz... |
flygal |
Nov-14-04 11:33 AM |
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To me, this basically shows that you can argue about fascist economics |
AP |
Nov-14-04 11:35 AM |
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More states rights and regional values |
Robert Oak |
Nov-14-04 11:55 AM |
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Miles City was nice when the girls were running wild. |
0007 |
Nov-14-04 03:40 PM |
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But nationally, they are fighting a culture war against blue states |
President Jesus |
Nov-14-04 04:37 PM |
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Awesome news. I'm looking at attending University of Montana. |
The Blue Knight |
Nov-14-04 04:45 PM |
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Missoula??? It's great. Gorgeous town, quite Dem. n/t |
SmokingJacket |
Nov-14-04 08:31 PM |
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and one of the few areas that went for Kerry. (nt) |
MontanaMom |
Nov-15-04 01:36 PM |
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Go Griz! We would love to have you! |
havocmom |
Nov-15-04 12:56 PM |
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The ONLY top state race not won by a Democrat was Secretary of State |
ibegurpard |
Nov-14-04 04:52 PM |
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Another factor occurred to me -- these state Dems don't have media... |
DeepModem Mom |
Nov-14-04 04:57 PM |
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There is a lot to be learned from the Montana democrats. |
snippy |
Nov-14-04 06:09 PM |
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Bingo! As a liberal in a VERY GOP county, I have a lot of fun |
havocmom |
Nov-15-04 01:15 PM |
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How in the hell can Montana vote straight Democrat and vote Bush??? |
goforit |
Nov-14-04 07:16 PM |
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Try gay marriage. |
Merlin |
Nov-14-04 08:12 PM |
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I agree |
OutsourceBush |
Nov-14-04 08:48 PM |
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Try environment and regulation |
sandnsea |
Nov-15-04 02:00 PM |
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Had Kerry spent $10 in ads in Montana... |
DinoBoy |
Nov-15-04 10:19 AM |
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If he hadn't gone so bonkers on gun control he might have won, also. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-15-04 05:04 PM |
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Montana historically votes splits, I don't think it was fraud up here (m) |
MontanaMom |
Nov-15-04 01:29 PM |
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Trust |
sandnsea |
Nov-15-04 01:58 PM |
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They won by being dems, de-emphasizing special interests. |
patcox2 |
Nov-15-04 11:22 AM |
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Excellent post. n/t |
snippy |
Nov-15-04 04:38 PM |
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A safe red state not targeted for BBV rigging. |
Qutzupalotl |
Nov-15-04 12:46 PM |
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Sounds kinda like TN... |
420inTN |
Nov-15-04 01:10 PM |
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So economic populism does work |
Radical Activist |
Nov-15-04 05:10 PM |
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Wedge issues and economic populism |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-15-04 05:42 PM |
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