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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:01 PM
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130. Most 18-24 yr. olds use cell phones.
Kerry has a large following in this age group. Cell phones are not called by pollsters -- only land line phones are.

Land line phones do not include this group of voters so the sample is tainted.

The only way to get accurate polling is to use various methods and average them out. That is not done in most of these polls.

Cell phones, I believe, are not called possibly because they are illegal, so there is a huge, huge group of people out there not being contacted for these polls we are hearing about. That makes the polling process faulty and fraudulent.

Only 50% of Americans voted in the last election so there is a sleeping giant in this country highly motivated to getting rid of George W. Bush. People who are being polled now and people who have NEVER been polled, myself included, will show up at precincts all over the country ready to cast their vote for John Kerry.
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  -CBS News / NY Times Poll: Bush Opens Lead Over Kerry 50% - 41% Almost_there  Sep-17-04 07:20 PM   #0 
  - This is a wake up call.  demoman123   Sep-17-04 07:21 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-17-04 07:23 PM   #2 
  - Go pick on someone else.  demoman123   Sep-17-04 07:25 PM   #5 
  - I don't get it...  Almost_there   Sep-17-04 07:28 PM   #13 
  - Maybe you should ask a question  lizzy   Sep-17-04 07:31 PM   #16 
     - I just recalibrated this poll to match 2000 turnout  lancdem   Sep-17-04 08:02 PM   #38 
     - Bogus. Bogus, bogus, bogus.  americanstranger   Sep-17-04 11:57 PM   #80 
     - "..unless Karl Rove can discourage the Democratic base into staying home  vidali   Sep-18-04 11:58 AM   #111 
        - Observation: polls are galvanizing rather than discouraging,...  Just Me   Sep-18-04 04:12 PM   #132 
     - I don't trust American Pravada's polls anymore than I trust Bush.  schultzee   Sep-18-04 01:41 AM   #89 
     - Read Al Hunt's analysis of why there are more Republicans in the poll  question everything   Sep-18-04 12:13 PM   #115 
  - I like smoke and lightning  EthanAllenVt   Sep-17-04 07:29 PM   #14 
  - Gallup oversampled Repubs  lancdem   Sep-17-04 07:24 PM   #4 
  - see post 6. nt  sonicx   Sep-17-04 07:25 PM   #7 
  - Again, this thing samples more republicans  lizzy   Sep-17-04 07:26 PM   #10 
  - Polls don't sample Democrats or Republicans  dandy22   Sep-17-04 08:12 PM   #42 
     - Not necessarily so ...  maryallen   Sep-17-04 09:10 PM   #54 
     - You must work for a fair and balanced research group...  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:44 PM   #63 
     - Hmm, I disagree, I must work for Fox.  dandy22   Sep-17-04 11:36 PM   #72 
        - Another note about Zogby  dandy22   Sep-17-04 11:43 PM   #74 
        - And what percentage of Americans use cell phones?  maryallen   Sep-18-04 01:00 AM   #84 
           - How do cell phones affect a polls outcome?  Almost_there   Sep-18-04 04:24 AM   #94 
              - Most 18-24 yr. olds use cell phones.  Andromeda   Sep-18-04 04:01 PM   #130 
     - A question about the RDD  liburl   Sep-17-04 11:47 PM   #76 
     - Question about RDD  dandy22   Sep-18-04 12:23 AM   #83 
        - So, since it's likely R or D,  liburl   Sep-18-04 01:29 AM   #87 
     - True, the sample may be random  daleo   Sep-18-04 01:08 AM   #85 
     - If you check the polls  Nicholas_J   Sep-18-04 01:36 AM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-17-04 07:53 PM   #30 
  - I am constantly amazed by the willingness of some folks on DU to....  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:41 PM   #62 
  - Indeed - I nominate this post for the front page. nt  vidali   Sep-18-04 12:00 PM   #112 
  - Carville  Greyhawk   Sep-18-04 12:24 PM   #116 
  - it DOES get posted, in the LBN forum by others...  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:45 AM   #97 
     - We're adults and can handle debate? That's debateable  Almost_there   Sep-18-04 07:36 AM   #104 
        - well, that a good example of the "tone" problem.  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 09:52 AM   #108 
  - For God's sake  bushbash   Sep-17-04 07:23 PM   #3 
  - look at the end of the poll...  sonicx   Sep-17-04 07:25 PM   #6 
  - Poll-busting  TahitiNut   Sep-18-04 07:42 AM   #105 
  - Conducted right after the RNC  silverlib   Sep-17-04 07:26 PM   #8 
  - What a comment to make to a new member!  demoman123   Sep-17-04 07:30 PM   #15 
  - Do you deny that we've been overrun by freepers since the end...  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:46 PM   #64 
     - Overrun? Nope. "Overrun" means "trampled."  demoman123   Sep-18-04 04:39 AM   #95 
  - How does quoting a respected source like CBS make one suspect?  EthanAllenVt   Sep-17-04 07:32 PM   #17 
  - What???  Almost_there   Sep-17-04 07:34 PM   #20 
     - Hiding one's profile does not add to credibility.  RevRussel   Sep-17-04 07:55 PM   #33 
     - I never even knew... lol  Almost_there   Sep-17-04 08:14 PM   #43 
     - Good idea!  RevRussel   Sep-17-04 08:27 PM   #44 
     - Just checking up on people, huh, Rev? Making sure they aren't Freepers?  demoman123   Sep-17-04 08:57 PM   #50 
        - please read post # 97  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:47 AM   #99 
           - Post #97 isn't that great.  demoman123   Sep-18-04 02:48 PM   #125 
     - it says right in the poll you linked to when it was conducted  paulk   Sep-17-04 08:01 PM   #37 
     - If You've Been Here a Year  RobinA   Sep-17-04 10:29 PM   #60 
     - Considering the source of the polls and the media outfits funding them...  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:54 PM   #66 
     - That is certainly true.  demoman123   Sep-18-04 03:56 PM   #128 
     - please read post # 97  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:47 AM   #98 
     - If you step out of line you're toast...  Greyhawk   Sep-18-04 12:07 PM   #114 
  - Amazing how people cant wait to post this stuff  rpalochko   Sep-17-04 07:26 PM   #9 
  - Isn't "killing the messenger" something we all abhor?  karlrschneider   Sep-17-04 07:28 PM   #11 
  - Do you really believe that's happening now? This is a message....  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:59 PM   #68 
  - I KNEW I'd gat flamed to hell...  Almost_there   Sep-17-04 07:39 PM   #23 
  - Haven't seen any flames, yet.  RevRussel   Sep-17-04 07:53 PM   #31 
  - You're much too sensitive. If you consider any of the responses....  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:49 PM   #65 
  - I can certainly take the heat. It's the reasoning that escapes me.  Almost_there   Sep-18-04 04:49 AM   #96 
     - sigh...please read post #97  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:49 AM   #101 
  - please see post #97  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:48 AM   #100 
     - You sure like that post #97, don't you?  demoman123   Sep-18-04 03:59 PM   #129 
  - I'm not intimating that anyone is a troll, of course, but freepers often  Zorra   Sep-17-04 09:42 PM   #57 
     - Why don't you just deal with the issues?  demoman123   Sep-18-04 01:08 PM   #119 
  - This is all you need to know  shockingelk   Sep-17-04 07:28 PM   #12 
  - Part of that is the media's fault  lancdem   Sep-17-04 07:41 PM   #25 
  - It's amazing how the truth is such a partisan issue in this election  Jonathan Little   Sep-17-04 07:53 PM   #29 
     - Look On The Bright Side  RobinA   Sep-17-04 10:32 PM   #61 
     - Remember....  Greyhawk   Sep-18-04 01:24 PM   #122 
  - I just read the internals at the bottom  lancdem   Sep-17-04 07:33 PM   #18 
  - yes and...  sonicx   Sep-17-04 07:33 PM   #19 
  - I thought that was eye-dropping, too  lancdem   Sep-17-04 07:39 PM   #24 
     - Bush is the most anti liberal....  dennis4868   Sep-17-04 09:39 PM   #56 
     - "Zell Miller" democrats maybe..  jbm   Sep-18-04 11:53 AM   #110 
     - To paraphrase Schneider(?) on one of the news programs tonight...  susanna   Sep-17-04 10:23 PM   #59 
  - Yes but!  rpalochko   Sep-17-04 07:36 PM   #21 
  - And that lead among independents is highly suspect, IMHO.  Media_Lies_Daily   Sep-17-04 10:55 PM   #67 
  - An eight point lead among indies doesn't produce these numbers.  Zynx   Sep-18-04 07:24 AM   #103 
  - I said this yesterday in my article...  PermanentRevolution   Sep-17-04 07:36 PM   #22 
  - Welcome to DU! Great to have you here!  meluseth   Sep-17-04 11:32 PM   #69 
     - Thanks! n/t  PermanentRevolution   Sep-17-04 11:45 PM   #75 
  - Wouldn't it be a bit more appopriate  RevRussel   Sep-17-04 07:48 PM   #26 
  - No, it wouldn't be "more appropriate."  demoman123   Sep-17-04 08:48 PM   #47 
     - ok...so what is your diagnosis and solution?  Lerkfish   Sep-18-04 06:54 AM   #102 
        - Read post #34.  demoman123   Sep-18-04 01:16 PM   #121 
  - This Poll Is Also Bogus...Ignore It And Keep Working...And Donating..  GR   Sep-17-04 07:50 PM   #27 
  - I think these polls are crap.  UCLA Dem   Sep-17-04 07:52 PM   #28 
  - You can say that all the way to the Bush inauguration, or ...  demoman123   Sep-18-04 02:50 PM   #126 
  - bs  28erl   Sep-17-04 07:54 PM   #32 
  - This is the problem: Bush = authority figure in time of national crisis.  demoman123   Sep-17-04 07:56 PM   #34 
  - I agree with you about the authority figure part  lancdem   Sep-17-04 07:58 PM   #35 
  - The reason that you don't post something like this  saracat   Sep-17-04 07:59 PM   #36 
  - Polls arent the end all to be all  mconvente   Sep-17-04 08:06 PM   #40 
  - Is because your "evening is shot"?  demoman123   Sep-17-04 09:00 PM   #52 
  - What do you mean?  jsw_81   Sep-18-04 03:13 AM   #92 
  - Same old bullshit coming from the media  insidious   Sep-17-04 08:03 PM   #39 
  - amen to that. There are still 6 long weeks to go. I think Kerry  UCLA Dem   Sep-17-04 08:12 PM   #41 
     - But what, simply stated, is his message on Iraq? That unclarified  nagbacalan   Sep-17-04 08:54 PM   #49 
        - I think Kerry has decided not to make the election a referendum on the war  demoman123   Sep-17-04 09:06 PM   #53 
        - What's BUSH'S message on Iraq?  americanstranger   Sep-18-04 12:09 AM   #82 
        - Here are some answers..  LanternWaste   Sep-18-04 05:13 PM   #136 
  - Too funny. Like any poll conducted by Bush's media has any value.  leesa   Sep-17-04 08:28 PM   #45 
  - It won't be all that funny if Bush wins a landslide  jsw_81   Sep-18-04 03:10 AM   #91 
  - The reason  wsswss   Sep-17-04 08:39 PM   #46 
  - The Reason  Zeusmeister   Sep-17-04 10:04 PM   #58 
  - We Have a Very Good Candidate Who is Getting Reamed by the Media  AndyTiedye   Sep-18-04 02:57 AM   #90 
  - Horsepucky  Carolab   Sep-17-04 08:51 PM   #48 
  - excellent point  mconvente   Sep-17-04 09:00 PM   #51 
  - Why "likely voters" (as opposed to registered voters) = unreliable pool  demoman123   Sep-18-04 01:25 PM   #123 
     - But unlike the Gallup Poll, CBS/NYT Polled (50%-41%) registered voters  demoman123   Sep-18-04 01:32 PM   #124 
  - I just don't get it....people want 4 more years of this!!!!  EndElectoral   Sep-17-04 09:23 PM   #55 
  - A lot of our fellow Americans make good citizens of an empire.  demoman123   Sep-18-04 04:02 PM   #131 
  - Suddenly a barrage of shitty polls as the heat is turned up on chimp!!!!  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-17-04 11:34 PM   #70 
  - Interesting! The heat IS on, isn't it?  JudiLyn   Sep-18-04 06:26 PM   #137 
  - www.fair.org has information on polling and the media  Swamp_Rat   Sep-17-04 11:34 PM   #71 
  - I don't believe in any of the polls  IndianaGreen   Sep-17-04 11:38 PM   #73 
  - I was intimating the same thing in my post above yours.  Swamp_Rat   Sep-17-04 11:47 PM   #77 
  - Same poll, posted three times today "hide thread" for me  Mr_Spock   Sep-17-04 11:51 PM   #78 
  - At least MSNBC is reporting the inconsistencies  PermanentRevolution   Sep-17-04 11:52 PM   #79 
  - More on polling and polls  Swamp_Rat   Sep-17-04 11:59 PM   #81 
  - In a word........BULLSHIT! just cover for stolen election.  Sperk   Sep-18-04 01:09 AM   #86 
  - thought  Behind the Ageis   Sep-18-04 03:41 AM   #93 
  - I love your enthusiasm..but..  jbm   Sep-18-04 12:03 PM   #113 
     - there's really no need to lie - just telling the truth gives them hell nt  vidali   Sep-18-04 04:53 PM   #134 
  - Don't be sorry you posted this poll,  dand   Sep-18-04 08:47 AM   #106 
  - It's OVER.  argonne   Sep-18-04 08:50 AM   #107 
  - It ain't over til the votes are counted  Maeve   Sep-18-04 09:55 AM   #109 
  - Gallup: "we are our own wost enemy" -amen  NoBorders   Sep-18-04 12:44 PM   #117 
  - Polls are just that...  Greyhawk   Sep-18-04 01:10 PM   #120 
     - The hell it is - the Presidency chooses the executive branch bureaucracy  vidali   Sep-18-04 05:00 PM   #135 
  - Final CBS/NY Times Poll Bush 47 Gore 42 (11/1-11/4/2000)  XanthaS   Sep-18-04 12:45 PM   #118 
  - most of the final polls showed * ahead  pstokely   Sep-18-04 03:17 PM   #127 
  - The answer to all of this is simple  bogey18   Sep-18-04 04:29 PM   #133 
 

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