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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 12:14 PM
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40. TIME's cover strory article....
...on Dean is very interesting. Especially it's write on him personally, which basically claims that he is far less liberal than he is making himself out to be. I don't agree with his position on gun rights, I don't agree with his position on gay-marriage (because it anything less than a full throated defensive of the rights of gay and lesbians is obscene to me, and Dean supports a "separate but equal" approach to the marriage question), I don't support the way he balances the budget (while Governor his approach to budget balancing was the conservative approach of cutting spending and not rasing taxes - he called it bein frugal, but what it really did was cut all kinds of programs for the poor, according to TIME) -- so what's left? What exactly makes him a real Democrat?

Right now my feeling is that he is a big poser, riding the backlash wave against Bush and trying to appeal to the largely untapped resource of the left-wing youthful vote by basically lying about who he really is. Who he really is is an extremely moderate democrat, not really all that far to the left of Leibermann.

It's sad when the difference between Lieb and Dean is seen as the different between "center" and "left." It is actually the difference between "RIGHT" and "CENTER." We haven't seen Left yet, and that's part of the reason why the country is in such horrendous shape and has been on that declining path for 30 years.

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  -Momentum Forces Dean to Shift to Higher Gear (DEAN & CLARK TALKING!) khephra  Aug-22-03 11:03 PM   #0 
  - Here's something REALLY Interesting!  khephra   Aug-22-03 11:07 PM   #1 
  - A Dean / Clark ticket would be awesome!  PartyPooper   Aug-22-03 11:16 PM   #2 
  - If Dean and Clark can talk with each other  khephra   Aug-22-03 11:21 PM   #5 
  - Amen to that!  PartyPooper   Aug-22-03 11:33 PM   #9 
  - no problem for me :)  deseo   Aug-23-03 12:33 PM   #43 
     - Anyone who was out there making critical Bush statements  khephra   Aug-23-03 12:47 PM   #46 
  - If only dreams did come true!  liberalnurse   Aug-23-03 03:21 AM   #27 
  - Clark is a VP fishing for a prez  shockandawed   Aug-23-03 09:34 AM   #35 
  - I can vote for whoever the Dem candidate is. Even the ones I  SharonAnn   Aug-23-03 08:37 PM   #62 
  - Man, that'd be a damn good ticket!  phishhead   Aug-22-03 11:20 PM   #4 
  - I'd rather see Clark billed as Sec of Defense  party_line   Aug-23-03 06:57 AM   #30 
     - Boy, Richardson would be a good choice  shockandawed   Aug-23-03 09:37 AM   #36 
     - That's a good idea, but I like Clark as Sec of State even more.  VolcanoJen   Aug-23-03 12:49 PM   #47 
  - Interesting! I don't agree with Trippi that he has to get out of this  zidzi   Aug-22-03 11:19 PM   #3 
  - The only caricatures  wtmusic   Aug-22-03 11:30 PM   #7 
  - Dean needs to start dealing with this  legin   Aug-22-03 11:38 PM   #10 
     - If dean has got something up his sleeve  legin   Aug-22-03 11:48 PM   #12 
     - Dean: 6/25 at CFR  dajabr   Aug-22-03 11:53 PM   #13 
        - Thanks for the links dajabr  legin   Aug-23-03 12:06 AM   #14 
           - Not trying to be a wiseass...  dajabr   Aug-23-03 12:16 AM   #16 
              - Sorry dajabr  legin   Aug-23-03 12:30 AM   #19 
  - Would it be possible for Dean  Frances   Aug-22-03 11:29 PM   #6 
  - Perfect... that ought to knock Bush out of it  Styles   Aug-22-03 11:31 PM   #8 
  - Dean and Clark on the same ticket?  Arcturus   Aug-22-03 11:46 PM   #11 
  - Cool  Vis Numar   Aug-23-03 12:09 AM   #15 
  - YES!  tedoll78   Aug-23-03 12:16 AM   #17 
  - the Doctor and the General vs Junior and the Grump  sinookas   Aug-23-03 12:53 AM   #23 
  - Nice  dean4america   Aug-23-03 12:23 AM   #18 
  - How did I miss it?  Pastiche423   Aug-23-03 12:45 AM   #20 
  - Here's the quote people are theorizing off of  khephra   Aug-23-03 01:15 AM   #25 
  - A Dean/Clark ticket will win us the White House!  BEFOREATHOUGHT   Aug-23-03 12:47 AM   #21 
  - very pronounce-able. dean and clark.  truthisfreedom   Aug-23-03 12:52 AM   #22 
  - Worth watching closely.  silverweb   Aug-23-03 12:57 AM   #24 
  - It is going to happen  jamesinca   Aug-23-03 01:29 AM   #26 
  - Goosebumps ~ Hell Ya!  Avalon Sparks   Aug-23-03 01:26 PM   #52 
  - Do we really want to lose three Democratic Senators?  dansolo   Aug-23-03 10:51 PM   #64 
  - the other thing Dean needs to do  radfringe   Aug-23-03 04:14 AM   #28 
  - Like in "An American President."  Why   Aug-23-03 08:55 AM   #34 
  - post by radfringe  ldf   Aug-23-03 07:07 PM   #61 
  - But how can Clark be a suitable running mate for Dean?  BillyBunter   Aug-23-03 05:45 AM   #29 
  - Oh come on now  khephra   Aug-23-03 07:34 AM   #31 
  - In actual fact,  BillyBunter   Aug-23-03 11:24 AM   #39 
  - And you are better than them by coming into a peaceful thread  khephra   Aug-23-03 12:28 PM   #41 
     - I'm not interested in being 'better.'  BillyBunter   Aug-23-03 01:15 PM   #48 
        - If you're not interested in being better...  khephra   Aug-23-03 01:49 PM   #56 
           - LOL  BillyBunter   Aug-23-03 02:17 PM   #57 
              - Ok, no bashing then  khephra   Aug-23-03 02:23 PM   #58 
  - Regardless of the fact that he brought up Dean's people bashing....  kysrsoze   Aug-23-03 10:11 PM   #63 
  - Speaking of....  AWD   Aug-23-03 01:18 PM   #49 
     - Some people need to look up "hypocrisy" before they accuse others  khephra   Aug-23-03 01:26 PM   #51 
     - Sorry,  BillyBunter   Aug-23-03 01:37 PM   #54 
        - Which claim is it that I'm making?  khephra   Aug-23-03 01:44 PM   #55 
  - Anyone Else Think the "Royal We" Strange?  tsipple   Aug-23-03 08:28 AM   #32 
  - Normally I do  khephra   Aug-23-03 08:42 AM   #33 
  - Campaigning warps your brain, tsipple  eyesroll   Aug-23-03 11:18 AM   #38 
  - That was a Democratic We, not a Royal We  scottxyz   Aug-23-03 12:39 PM   #45 
  - Dean's a truckin'  0007   Aug-23-03 10:25 AM   #37 
  - TIME's cover strory article....  Selwynn   Aug-23-03 12:14 PM   #40 
  - "...basically lying about who he really is"  party_line   Aug-23-03 02:47 PM   #59 
  - A Doctor and a General  scottxyz   Aug-23-03 12:31 PM   #42 
  - Now there...  deseo   Aug-23-03 12:38 PM   #44 
  - With Gore out a Dean/Clark ticket would be the best bet to beat Bush  SideshowScott   Aug-23-03 01:23 PM   #50 
  - i could very very excited about a Dean/Clark ticket  nostamj   Aug-23-03 01:36 PM   #53 
     - I'm a Dean supporter  copithorne   Aug-23-03 06:02 PM   #60 
 

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