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Sat Aug-14-04 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #30 |
| 73. "Ultimately democratize the Middle East to the greatest extent possible." |
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Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 02:56 PM by Darranar
I'm sure that's why they support the highly democratic governments of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait....
Their principle goal in the Middle East is control. They would certainly prefer the illusion of "democracy" for domestic political reasons, but certainly not to any large extent, because that would involve the control of the Middle East by its actual inhabitants, and not by the US government.
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| -U.S. Army Says Kills 50 Iraqi Insurgents in Samarra |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:32 AM |
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I hope no civilians were killed |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:39 AM |
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If you drop a 500 pound bomb on a town... |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:42 AM |
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So you support them killing our troops? |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:43 AM |
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If I were a German in 1939, I would not have supported the Wehrmacht |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:12 AM |
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Bunch of flag wavers like Bush himself |
saskatoon |
Aug-14-04 03:21 PM |
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That's NOT what she's saying. |
saigon68 |
Aug-14-04 03:47 AM |
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Hardly |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 09:58 AM |
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Nope. You are making a straw man argument, "evidence" or not. |
Swamp_Rat |
Aug-14-04 04:36 PM |
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That's not what she said. n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 10:15 AM |
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You have search capabilities |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 10:21 AM |
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"legitimate government"? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 10:28 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-14-04 10:32 AM |
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The US military of murdering thugs |
aneerkoinos |
Aug-14-04 11:10 AM |
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Perhaps you missed this part... |
leftchick |
Aug-14-04 11:50 AM |
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I'm new here |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 12:00 PM |
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I repeat.... |
leftchick |
Aug-14-04 12:09 PM |
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I don't know |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 12:20 PM |
#26 |
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Here is a picture for you ....and Ooops... |
leftchick |
Aug-14-04 12:27 PM |
#28 |
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If this account is true |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 01:18 PM |
#31 |
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"...wrong for fighting from civilian areas" |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 03:32 PM |
#96 |
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And many of these "civilians" |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:44 PM |
#106 |
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The Iraqi police have nothing to do with the occupation? n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:48 PM |
#109 |
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So where should they fight? |
kitkatrose |
Aug-14-04 03:51 PM |
#111 |
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Right, why should they fight fair when we aren't? |
tedthebear |
Aug-14-04 06:12 PM |
#157 |
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found one article |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 01:32 PM |
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Bombs Away,,Civilians might have left the area. WTF |
bahrbearian |
Aug-14-04 02:12 PM |
#44 |
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yes, they might have left |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:23 PM |
#59 |
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Many things are pretty "obvious" about your post |
PassingFair |
Aug-14-04 03:15 PM |
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Uhhh.... |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:21 PM |
#88 |
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BS dude! |
Swamp_Rat |
Aug-14-04 04:46 PM |
#155 |
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i agree with everything you said |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:03 PM |
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I see... |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:20 PM |
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Personal attacks would be my guess. |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 02:30 PM |
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I think that's really tragic |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:39 PM |
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It's not tragic, it's criminal, and it's targeting civilians. |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 02:52 PM |
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Show me evidence |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:04 PM |
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So they're okay to shoot until shown not to be? n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:07 PM |
#79 |
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No, it's not ok |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:27 PM |
#93 |
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They should wait until they are actually attacked... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:29 PM |
#94 |
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I think they general do wait to be attacked |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:38 PM |
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How many carbombs per number of cars? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:40 PM |
#104 |
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They don't fire on every car |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:48 PM |
#110 |
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The same problem still arises... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:59 PM |
#113 |
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They don't fire on every car? Oh, Really? |
Xipe Totec |
Aug-14-04 04:11 PM |
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It would have been OK if there had been nukes... |
tedthebear |
Aug-14-04 06:27 PM |
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There is no game. |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 03:18 PM |
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Aug-14-04 03:32 PM |
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I don't think it is the Iraqis that are mainly killing Iraqi civilians... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:35 PM |
#100 |
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Tsk, you'll get deleted. |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 03:36 PM |
#101 |
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If we were the country that was occupied |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:37 PM |
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Adios |
saigon68 |
Aug-15-04 04:15 AM |
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Here's another one for you, Bucko: |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 04:10 PM |
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There is a great documentary I suggest |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Aug-14-04 12:27 PM |
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never heard of it |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 01:50 PM |
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Well, what Rumsfeld has done has affected my |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Aug-14-04 02:19 PM |
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Wow, your post reads like a news release from Fox News! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 11:41 AM |
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Help me understand this |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 12:09 PM |
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When the Wehrmacht marched in Poland, it was not to "invade" Poland |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 12:22 PM |
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ok.... |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 12:56 PM |
#30 |
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"Ultimately democratize the Middle East to the greatest extent possible." |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 02:54 PM |
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Those nations are not democracies |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:16 PM |
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Egypt is actually the #2 recipient of US aid in the Middle East... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:19 PM |
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Good point |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:24 PM |
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Ding Ding Ding... |
PassingFair |
Aug-14-04 03:23 PM |
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I see that referred to a lot here |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 03:30 PM |
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go here.... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 04:19 PM |
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how about the US army invading Mexico? |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 02:08 PM |
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Not Mexico |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:55 PM |
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I think the poster was referring... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 02:57 PM |
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Iraq did not pose a threat to the US either! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:58 PM |
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I agree. Comparisons of the troops to SS and Nazis infuriate me. |
neverborn |
Aug-14-04 03:34 PM |
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Too damned bad! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:42 PM |
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Bill Maher suppports the troops |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:09 PM |
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How do you know that? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:14 PM |
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Most are closer to 20,000 |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:16 PM |
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So who are you trusting? n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:17 PM |
#130 |
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I don't bother to look at civilian casualty reports |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:17 PM |
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So where do you get your 20,000 statistic from? n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:20 PM |
#133 |
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from my newspaper that often mentions estimates |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:26 PM |
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So one site "proves" me wrong? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:32 PM |
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It doesn't really matter. |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:34 PM |
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Iraqi civilian casualties don't really matter? n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:36 PM |
#150 |
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well, you're in good company among the DOD war criminals... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 04:25 PM |
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Yep I guess so? |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:26 PM |
#137 |
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Bogus, Bob Woodward's book, |
FrustratedDemInNC |
Aug-15-04 01:55 AM |
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maybe a comparison to Napoleon would be less offensive |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 09:52 PM |
#163 |
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"It's no longer the evil Americans who are running the show" |
truth2power |
Aug-14-04 01:37 PM |
#34 |
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Vichy government is Legitimate? |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 01:58 PM |
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it IS the "evil Americans" who are dropping 500 lb bombs... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:09 PM |
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UH OH |
saigon68 |
Aug-15-04 04:10 AM |
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Jingoisim is a dangerous kind of stupidity |
lynx rufus |
Aug-14-04 11:31 AM |
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Yes, beware Jingoism. |
tedthebear |
Aug-14-04 06:40 PM |
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I think that's the fallacy of the excluded middle, |
truth2power |
Aug-14-04 01:33 PM |
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oh please No one said that |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 01:52 PM |
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people who bomb civilian populations are war criminals... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:01 PM |
#38 |
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How about people who gas civilian populations? |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:08 PM |
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it was war, Collateral damage |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 02:14 PM |
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tell it to Union Carbide.... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:15 PM |
#47 |
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it was an accident |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:21 PM |
#55 |
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Is that the Gases and Equipment that Rummy gave Saddam |
bahrbearian |
Aug-14-04 02:16 PM |
#48 |
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Oh so I guess Smith and Wesson is responsible for Columbine? |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:18 PM |
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Putin has used poison gas against the Chechen resistance |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:19 PM |
#53 |
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"at least 80% of Iraqis are happier...." |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:22 PM |
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You've taken a poll?? |
natasha |
Aug-14-04 09:41 PM |
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Let's rent the film "Red Dawn" |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:13 PM |
#45 |
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Except the Iraqis support this government |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:17 PM |
#49 |
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Are you quoting the same polls that Tony Blankley loves to quote? |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:23 PM |
#58 |
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You're the one that said Kerry would go down to defeat... |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:25 PM |
#60 |
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Haven't you noticed the broad appeal of ABB? |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 02:43 PM |
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Only your much detested senator |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 03:05 PM |
#78 |
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Way to dodge the points btw |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 03:08 PM |
#80 |
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CPUSA is 100-percent ABB |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:21 PM |
#89 |
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Even John McLaughlin dismissed |
SOS |
Aug-14-04 03:47 PM |
#108 |
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Which polls? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 02:42 PM |
#67 |
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Let's say you do that... |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:18 PM |
#51 |
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No use arguing, friend |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 02:22 PM |
#56 |
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hmmm... |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:31 PM |
#62 |
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then at least MY government would not be the ones killing... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:38 PM |
#64 |
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And then you wouldn't be upset by that brand of death? |
el_chalupa |
Aug-14-04 02:45 PM |
#69 |
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I won't rise to that rotten bait.... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:48 PM |
#70 |
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How is the US advocating "liberal democracy"? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 02:49 PM |
#71 |
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What kinda Wolfowitz crap is that? Power-sharing? Lib democracy? |
thebigidea |
Aug-14-04 04:42 PM |
#154 |
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Troops and Bush policy are two different things |
SOS |
Aug-14-04 03:33 PM |
#98 |
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Frankly, |
natasha |
Aug-14-04 09:09 PM |
#161 |
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Dropping bombs on a city guarantees children will be killed |
saigon68 |
Aug-14-04 04:14 AM |
#10 |
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Operations are moving along well there... |
countfloyd |
Aug-14-04 02:47 AM |
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Samarra is also a holy city |
gottaB |
Aug-14-04 03:27 AM |
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BBC: US bombers raid Sunni Iraqi city |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:34 AM |
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many/most of the casualties appear to be women & children |
Aidoneus |
Aug-14-04 04:12 AM |
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Clearly... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 10:14 AM |
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If They Run, They're An Insurgent, . . |
loindelrio |
Aug-14-04 11:52 AM |
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The body counts have inflated quite a bit in the last week |
Barrett808 |
Aug-14-04 11:52 AM |
#21 |
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all dead Iraqi civilians are invariably insurgents... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:04 PM |
#40 |
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reminder for the pro-war posters what "insurgents" look like... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 02:35 PM |
#63 |
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Yeah, lemme tack this on down here too: |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 02:41 PM |
#66 |
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I'm not pro-war |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 03:11 PM |
#81 |
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Please clarify what you mean by "pro-troop". n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:21 PM |
#86 |
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It means not supporting the insurgents in Iraq |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 03:47 PM |
#107 |
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Iraq is already destabilized... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 03:56 PM |
#112 |
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Iraq is destablized because of the destabilizers, |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:01 PM |
#115 |
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Iraq is destabilized because the US invasion... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:10 PM |
#118 |
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Murder requires mens rea(a guilty mind) |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:14 PM |
#124 |
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bemildred posted a great article on the subject higher in the thread... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:22 PM |
#134 |
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Don't care to read those. |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:30 PM |
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And what about the article bemildred posted? |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:35 PM |
#148 |
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"HRW is a biased pro-Palestinian organization..." |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 04:35 PM |
#149 |
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I reckon Staff Sgt Jimmy is a "biased pro-Palestinian organization" too. |
bemildred |
Aug-14-04 04:39 PM |
#151 |
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see no evil.... |
minkyboodle |
Aug-15-04 01:04 AM |
#166 |
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And a few additional articles that may be of interest... |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:28 PM |
#139 |
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that's a statement worthy of the CinC.... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 04:12 PM |
#122 |
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Non sequitur |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:15 PM |
#126 |
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clue: I'm a democrat, albeit only by the skin of my teeth... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 04:34 PM |
#147 |
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What Iraqi government? |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 03:59 PM |
#114 |
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How do you suggest they hold elections in a war zone like this one? |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:07 PM |
#116 |
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I asked you for those polls, haven't seen them yet... n/t |
Darranar |
Aug-14-04 04:11 PM |
#120 |
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Oh gee |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:12 PM |
#123 |
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that's why Allawi travels with 100 personal body guards... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 04:15 PM |
#127 |
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He travels with 100 personal body guards to protect him |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:16 PM |
#129 |
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Allawi is the ruler of the Green Zone in Baghdad |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 04:25 PM |
#136 |
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And they have absolutely nothing to do with one another. |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:28 PM |
#140 |
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Trained by the best at DINFOS! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 04:30 PM |
#142 |
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You were never at DINFOS. |
Bogus W Potus |
Aug-14-04 04:32 PM |
#144 |
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Next thing you will be saying I have never set foot in New York... |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-14-04 04:39 PM |
#153 |
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Hey Indiana |
bahrbearian |
Aug-14-04 09:05 PM |
#160 |
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great thread, better profiles |
mitchtv |
Aug-14-04 10:06 PM |
#164 |
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DINFOS is the Defense Information School |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-15-04 03:54 AM |
#168 |
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Adios |
saigon68 |
Aug-15-04 04:17 AM |
#171 |
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no, he travels with 100 Blackwater mercs to protect him from Iraqis! |
thebigidea |
Aug-14-04 04:39 PM |
#152 |
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Destabilizing the Iraqi Government is Bad? |
Xipe Totec |
Aug-14-04 04:30 PM |
#141 |
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and I hope they face prosecution for war crimes where... |
mike_c |
Aug-14-04 03:22 PM |
#90 |
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"50 anti-Iraqi forces were killed" = propaganda-speak |
Swamp_Rat |
Aug-14-04 04:34 PM |
#145 |
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Iraq is a US Colony. |
Disturbed |
Aug-14-04 06:02 PM |
#156 |
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wake up man |
Hidebo |
Aug-14-04 10:31 PM |
#165 |
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