Dhalgren
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Mon Aug-02-04 10:23 PM
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I am waiting for the massive "failures to report" that are more than likely happening right now in small numbers. These "volunteers" didn't sign up for this shit - no one does! I see these returning "heroes" on the local tee vee and they are all proud of the "service we have given", but in private they are broken, dis-spirited shells and they do not ever want to go back (the ones who do want to go back are idiots and should by all means go).
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| -American valour? All hogwash, say Indian truckers |
floda |
Aug-02-04 12:41 PM |
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It might be ordered that way, though, for political reasons |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 12:43 PM |
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I'm not going to............. |
DumpGump |
Aug-02-04 12:44 PM |
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Following Orders Does Not Always require Courage |
atreides1 |
Aug-02-04 02:00 PM |
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Guess you're one of the "Send me!" clones, eh? |
Voltaire99 |
Aug-02-04 03:52 PM |
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Your attack is hardly fair. |
Redleg |
Aug-02-04 10:42 PM |
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This isn't really LBN material |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 12:46 PM |
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Don't dismiss it yet, think for a minute--these may well be their orders |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 12:53 PM |
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so what you are telling me is that there are standing orders |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:01 PM |
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The escort is a deterrent regardless of whether they stick around to fight |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:04 PM |
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imagine away |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:19 PM |
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The military also 'doesn't rape or torture people in its prisons' |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:20 PM |
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That doesn't make the point |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:33 PM |
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Abu Ghraib was not a few 'bad apples'--it was systemic |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:37 PM |
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I never stated it was a few bad apples |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:38 PM |
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My larger point about the media reporting on this remains |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:43 PM |
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Are you trying to tell me that some angry mom who gets mail from her |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:51 PM |
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The child rape is out there--yet no one knows a damn thing about it |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:54 PM |
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wrong. |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:02 PM |
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My only argument is that it is possible for this account to be correct |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:07 PM |
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do you seriously think that somehow what I said validates this possibility |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:19 PM |
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I don't believe it has anything to do with cowardice |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:24 PM |
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I hate to do this |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:30 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I won't admit that it's impossible for this to be true |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:32 PM |
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Well we can agree that it IS possible |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:46 PM |
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If the U.S. soldiers have decided that Bush put them in harms way |
heidler1 |
Aug-02-04 05:21 PM |
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Maybe they weren't ordered to do it. |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 02:34 PM |
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the point is im arguing against the orders |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:45 PM |
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me too... |
grob |
Aug-02-04 04:57 PM |
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There is another angle to the story that may not have anything to |
Veggie Meathead |
Aug-02-04 02:34 PM |
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In the last years of Vietnam |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 02:33 PM |
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absolutely |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:43 PM |
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I agree with you- Every Death in this CLUSTERFUCK = for nothing |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 07:40 PM |
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Right! |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 10:23 PM |
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"I'm not willing to take the word of a couple of truck drivers on this one |
Career Prole |
Aug-02-04 07:06 PM |
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I would have though pilots prefered to bomb the right targets too... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:36 PM |
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Excellent question! |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 03:46 PM |
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I'm with ya on this one Caution. |
kymar57 |
Aug-02-04 07:04 PM |
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Woot woot woot! |
aneerkoinos |
Aug-02-04 01:14 PM |
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Why isnt it LBN? |
LivingInTheBubble |
Aug-02-04 02:50 PM |
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I wonder. |
oneighty |
Aug-02-04 04:01 PM |
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I absolutely believe it |
slavkomae |
Aug-02-04 12:49 PM |
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Absolutely, and aren't most the drivers civilians? |
0007 |
Aug-02-04 08:01 PM |
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They must have orders to abandon those drivers if attacked, no? |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 12:50 PM |
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Then what would be the point of guarding the convoy? n/t |
demoman123 |
Aug-02-04 12:58 PM |
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That's why the driver's story makes no sense. |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 01:05 PM |
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The presence of an escort is still a deterrent to attacking the convoy |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:06 PM |
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Not if the reputation of the escort is to run. eom |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Aug-02-04 01:09 PM |
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Take two convoys |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:15 PM |
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It's apparent that the "unbelievers" have never seen combat. |
reprobate |
Aug-02-04 02:19 PM |
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It is standard tacitics - you get out of the "kill zone". |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:45 PM |
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what if they are cowards? |
shadu |
Aug-02-04 01:22 PM |
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This is a possibility. |
demoman123 |
Aug-02-04 02:10 PM |
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Assuming soldiers aren't cowards isn't jingoistic, it's common sense. |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 02:15 PM |
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It was a cowardly act. |
DrWeird |
Aug-02-04 02:52 PM |
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Fair comment many soldiers must be brave (or foolish) but.. |
LivingInTheBubble |
Aug-02-04 02:57 PM |
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The American military has lacked valour for decades. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:33 PM |
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Why is it that lately... |
varun |
Aug-02-04 04:39 PM |
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this may just show how weak and spread out..or .. |
number6 |
Aug-02-04 04:13 PM |
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American soldiers are no more nor less brave than other soldiers |
wurzel |
Aug-02-04 06:10 PM |
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I'm new here, but can offer some insight |
WOJG |
Aug-02-04 06:15 PM |
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In naval convoys in WWII merchant ships could be left behind |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:34 PM |
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No one wants to be killed for CHIMPANZEE |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:36 PM |
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I can't blame anyone for that |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:43 PM |
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You forgot a lying Awol Draft Dodger. |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:51 PM |
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Institutional racism? |
WOJG |
Aug-02-04 06:42 PM |
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Except where 'the enemy' is involved. |
htuttle |
Aug-02-04 06:48 PM |
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THEY WERE CALLED ZIPPERHEADS AND SLOPES in the Nam |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:53 PM |
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I meant that in the most abstract sense |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:50 PM |
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We trust them with the outsourcing of our jobs... |
tlcandie |
Aug-02-04 07:51 PM |
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