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WOJG Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Institutional racism?
I see much, much less racism in the military than anywhere else.... of any kind.
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  -American valour? All hogwash, say Indian truckers floda  Aug-02-04 12:41 PM   #0 
  - It might be ordered that way, though, for political reasons  jpgray   Aug-02-04 12:43 PM   #1 
  - I'm not going to.............  DumpGump   Aug-02-04 12:44 PM   #2 
  - Following Orders Does Not Always require Courage  atreides1   Aug-02-04 02:00 PM   #24 
  - Guess you're one of the "Send me!" clones, eh?  Voltaire99   Aug-02-04 03:52 PM   #47 
     - Your attack is hardly fair.  Redleg   Aug-02-04 10:42 PM   #69 
  - This isn't really LBN material  Caution   Aug-02-04 12:46 PM   #3 
  - Don't dismiss it yet, think for a minute--these may well be their orders  jpgray   Aug-02-04 12:53 PM   #6 
  - so what you are telling me is that there are standing orders  Caution   Aug-02-04 01:01 PM   #8 
     - The escort is a deterrent regardless of whether they stick around to fight  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:04 PM   #9 
        - imagine away  Caution   Aug-02-04 01:19 PM   #15 
           - The military also 'doesn't rape or torture people in its prisons'  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:20 PM   #16 
           - That doesn't make the point  Caution   Aug-02-04 01:33 PM   #18 
              - Abu Ghraib was not a few 'bad apples'--it was systemic  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:37 PM   #19 
                 - I never stated it was a few bad apples  Caution   Aug-02-04 01:38 PM   #20 
                    - My larger point about the media reporting on this remains  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:43 PM   #21 
                       - Are you trying to tell me that some angry mom who gets mail from her  Caution   Aug-02-04 01:51 PM   #22 
                          - The child rape is out there--yet no one knows a damn thing about it  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:54 PM   #23 
                          - wrong.  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:02 PM   #25 
                             - My only argument is that it is possible for this account to be correct  jpgray   Aug-02-04 02:07 PM   #26 
                             - do you seriously think that somehow what I said validates this possibility  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:19 PM   #30 
                                - I don't believe it has anything to do with cowardice  jpgray   Aug-02-04 02:24 PM   #31 
                                   - I hate to do this  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:30 PM   #32 
                                   - I'm sorry, but I won't admit that it's impossible for this to be true  jpgray   Aug-02-04 02:32 PM   #33 
                                   - Well we can agree that it IS possible  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:46 PM   #39 
                                   - If the U.S. soldiers have decided that Bush put them in harms way  heidler1   Aug-02-04 05:21 PM   #52 
                                   - Maybe they weren't ordered to do it.  Dhalgren   Aug-02-04 02:34 PM   #36 
                                   - the point is im arguing against the orders  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:45 PM   #38 
                                   - me too...  grob   Aug-02-04 04:57 PM   #51 
                                   - There is another angle to the story that may not have anything to  Veggie Meathead   Aug-02-04 02:34 PM   #35 
                             - In the last years of Vietnam  Dhalgren   Aug-02-04 02:33 PM   #34 
                                - absolutely  Caution   Aug-02-04 02:43 PM   #37 
                                - I agree with you- Every Death in this CLUSTERFUCK = for nothing  saigon68   Aug-02-04 07:40 PM   #65 
                                   - Right!  Dhalgren   Aug-02-04 10:23 PM   #68 
                          - "I'm not willing to take the word of a couple of truck drivers on this one  Career Prole   Aug-02-04 07:06 PM   #64 
           - I would have though pilots prefered to bomb the right targets too...  Devils Advocate NZ   Aug-02-04 03:36 PM   #44 
           - Excellent question!  Dhalgren   Aug-02-04 03:46 PM   #46 
           - I'm with ya on this one Caution.  kymar57   Aug-02-04 07:04 PM   #63 
  - Woot woot woot!  aneerkoinos   Aug-02-04 01:14 PM   #13 
  - Why isnt it LBN?  LivingInTheBubble   Aug-02-04 02:50 PM   #40 
  - I wonder.  oneighty   Aug-02-04 04:01 PM   #48 
  - I absolutely believe it  slavkomae   Aug-02-04 12:49 PM   #4 
  - Absolutely, and aren't most the drivers civilians?  0007   Aug-02-04 08:01 PM   #67 
  - They must have orders to abandon those drivers if attacked, no?  doctorbombeigh   Aug-02-04 12:50 PM   #5 
  - Then what would be the point of guarding the convoy? n/t  demoman123   Aug-02-04 12:58 PM   #7 
  - That's why the driver's story makes no sense.  doctorbombeigh   Aug-02-04 01:05 PM   #10 
  - The presence of an escort is still a deterrent to attacking the convoy  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:06 PM   #11 
     - Not if the reputation of the escort is to run. eom  NewYorkerfromMass   Aug-02-04 01:09 PM   #12 
        - Take two convoys  jpgray   Aug-02-04 01:15 PM   #14 
  - It's apparent that the "unbelievers" have never seen combat.  reprobate   Aug-02-04 02:19 PM   #29 
     - It is standard tacitics - you get out of the "kill zone".  Devils Advocate NZ   Aug-02-04 03:45 PM   #45 
  - what if they are cowards?  shadu   Aug-02-04 01:22 PM   #17 
  - This is a possibility.  demoman123   Aug-02-04 02:10 PM   #27 
  - Assuming soldiers aren't cowards isn't jingoistic, it's common sense.  doctorbombeigh   Aug-02-04 02:15 PM   #28 
     - It was a cowardly act.  DrWeird   Aug-02-04 02:52 PM   #41 
     - Fair comment many soldiers must be brave (or foolish) but..  LivingInTheBubble   Aug-02-04 02:57 PM   #42 
  - The American military has lacked valour for decades.  Devils Advocate NZ   Aug-02-04 03:33 PM   #43 
  - Why is it that lately...  varun   Aug-02-04 04:39 PM   #50 
  - this may just show how weak and spread out..or ..  number6   Aug-02-04 04:13 PM   #49 
  - American soldiers are no more nor less brave than other soldiers  wurzel   Aug-02-04 06:10 PM   #53 
  - I'm new here, but can offer some insight  WOJG   Aug-02-04 06:15 PM   #54 
  - In naval convoys in WWII merchant ships could be left behind  daleo   Aug-02-04 06:34 PM   #55 
     - No one wants to be killed for CHIMPANZEE  saigon68   Aug-02-04 06:36 PM   #56 
     - I can't blame anyone for that  daleo   Aug-02-04 06:43 PM   #58 
        - You forgot a lying Awol Draft Dodger.  saigon68   Aug-02-04 06:51 PM   #61 
     - Institutional racism?  WOJG   Aug-02-04 06:42 PM   #57 
        - Except where 'the enemy' is involved.  htuttle   Aug-02-04 06:48 PM   #59 
        - THEY WERE CALLED ZIPPERHEADS AND SLOPES in the Nam  saigon68   Aug-02-04 06:53 PM   #62 
        - I meant that in the most abstract sense  daleo   Aug-02-04 06:50 PM   #60 
           - We trust them with the outsourcing of our jobs...  tlcandie   Aug-02-04 07:51 PM   #66 

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