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Mon Aug-02-04 01:19 PM
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but the military does not operate in this manner, and if it did we would hear about it through first hand contact with soldiers on the ground, not from some truck driver trying to make himself look tough.
The military takes it as a sign of triumph when a convoy is protected through hostile ground and makes its way sucessfully. When a convoy is lost, military personnel take this as a personal failure.
this story makes no sense and serves to do nothing but provide more ammunition to those who would say that Democrats have no respect for the military and for those who would say that we "hate American and Americans"
I for one, do not believe that such an order would be given. An order not to engage may be and often is given, but that order extends down to the convoy as well, the military will ALWAYS provide cover and support for their civilian charges in a situation like this, being the last to leave the scene and working to ensure that a convoy makes it home safely. Notice that these truck drivers lived to tell their tale? How did they manage to survive an organized, coordinated attack on a known route with the military turning and running and leaving them stuck there? The story makes no sense.
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| -American valour? All hogwash, say Indian truckers |
floda |
Aug-02-04 12:41 PM |
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It might be ordered that way, though, for political reasons |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 12:43 PM |
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I'm not going to............. |
DumpGump |
Aug-02-04 12:44 PM |
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Following Orders Does Not Always require Courage |
atreides1 |
Aug-02-04 02:00 PM |
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Guess you're one of the "Send me!" clones, eh? |
Voltaire99 |
Aug-02-04 03:52 PM |
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Your attack is hardly fair. |
Redleg |
Aug-02-04 10:42 PM |
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This isn't really LBN material |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 12:46 PM |
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Don't dismiss it yet, think for a minute--these may well be their orders |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 12:53 PM |
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so what you are telling me is that there are standing orders |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:01 PM |
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The escort is a deterrent regardless of whether they stick around to fight |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:04 PM |
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imagine away |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:19 PM |
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The military also 'doesn't rape or torture people in its prisons' |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:20 PM |
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That doesn't make the point |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:33 PM |
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Abu Ghraib was not a few 'bad apples'--it was systemic |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:37 PM |
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I never stated it was a few bad apples |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:38 PM |
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My larger point about the media reporting on this remains |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:43 PM |
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Are you trying to tell me that some angry mom who gets mail from her |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 01:51 PM |
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The child rape is out there--yet no one knows a damn thing about it |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:54 PM |
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wrong. |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:02 PM |
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My only argument is that it is possible for this account to be correct |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:07 PM |
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do you seriously think that somehow what I said validates this possibility |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:19 PM |
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I don't believe it has anything to do with cowardice |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:24 PM |
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I hate to do this |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:30 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I won't admit that it's impossible for this to be true |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 02:32 PM |
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Well we can agree that it IS possible |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:46 PM |
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If the U.S. soldiers have decided that Bush put them in harms way |
heidler1 |
Aug-02-04 05:21 PM |
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Maybe they weren't ordered to do it. |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 02:34 PM |
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the point is im arguing against the orders |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:45 PM |
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me too... |
grob |
Aug-02-04 04:57 PM |
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There is another angle to the story that may not have anything to |
Veggie Meathead |
Aug-02-04 02:34 PM |
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In the last years of Vietnam |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 02:33 PM |
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absolutely |
Caution |
Aug-02-04 02:43 PM |
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I agree with you- Every Death in this CLUSTERFUCK = for nothing |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 07:40 PM |
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Right! |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 10:23 PM |
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"I'm not willing to take the word of a couple of truck drivers on this one |
Career Prole |
Aug-02-04 07:06 PM |
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I would have though pilots prefered to bomb the right targets too... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:36 PM |
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Excellent question! |
Dhalgren |
Aug-02-04 03:46 PM |
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I'm with ya on this one Caution. |
kymar57 |
Aug-02-04 07:04 PM |
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Woot woot woot! |
aneerkoinos |
Aug-02-04 01:14 PM |
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Why isnt it LBN? |
LivingInTheBubble |
Aug-02-04 02:50 PM |
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I wonder. |
oneighty |
Aug-02-04 04:01 PM |
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I absolutely believe it |
slavkomae |
Aug-02-04 12:49 PM |
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Absolutely, and aren't most the drivers civilians? |
0007 |
Aug-02-04 08:01 PM |
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They must have orders to abandon those drivers if attacked, no? |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 12:50 PM |
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Then what would be the point of guarding the convoy? n/t |
demoman123 |
Aug-02-04 12:58 PM |
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That's why the driver's story makes no sense. |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 01:05 PM |
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The presence of an escort is still a deterrent to attacking the convoy |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:06 PM |
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Not if the reputation of the escort is to run. eom |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Aug-02-04 01:09 PM |
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Take two convoys |
jpgray |
Aug-02-04 01:15 PM |
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It's apparent that the "unbelievers" have never seen combat. |
reprobate |
Aug-02-04 02:19 PM |
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It is standard tacitics - you get out of the "kill zone". |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:45 PM |
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what if they are cowards? |
shadu |
Aug-02-04 01:22 PM |
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This is a possibility. |
demoman123 |
Aug-02-04 02:10 PM |
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Assuming soldiers aren't cowards isn't jingoistic, it's common sense. |
doctorbombeigh |
Aug-02-04 02:15 PM |
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It was a cowardly act. |
DrWeird |
Aug-02-04 02:52 PM |
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Fair comment many soldiers must be brave (or foolish) but.. |
LivingInTheBubble |
Aug-02-04 02:57 PM |
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The American military has lacked valour for decades. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Aug-02-04 03:33 PM |
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Why is it that lately... |
varun |
Aug-02-04 04:39 PM |
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this may just show how weak and spread out..or .. |
number6 |
Aug-02-04 04:13 PM |
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American soldiers are no more nor less brave than other soldiers |
wurzel |
Aug-02-04 06:10 PM |
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I'm new here, but can offer some insight |
WOJG |
Aug-02-04 06:15 PM |
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In naval convoys in WWII merchant ships could be left behind |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:34 PM |
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No one wants to be killed for CHIMPANZEE |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:36 PM |
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I can't blame anyone for that |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:43 PM |
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You forgot a lying Awol Draft Dodger. |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:51 PM |
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Institutional racism? |
WOJG |
Aug-02-04 06:42 PM |
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Except where 'the enemy' is involved. |
htuttle |
Aug-02-04 06:48 PM |
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THEY WERE CALLED ZIPPERHEADS AND SLOPES in the Nam |
saigon68 |
Aug-02-04 06:53 PM |
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I meant that in the most abstract sense |
daleo |
Aug-02-04 06:50 PM |
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We trust them with the outsourcing of our jobs... |
tlcandie |
Aug-02-04 07:51 PM |
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