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21. Torture: Another blow for Rumsfeld?
Jun 9, 2004

Torture: Another blow for Rumsfeld?

By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - A classified Pentagon report, providing a series of legal arguments apparently intended to justify abuses and torture against detainees, appears to undermine public assurances by senior US officials, including President George W Bush, that the military would never resort to such practices in the "war on terrorism".

Short excerpts of the report, which was drafted by Defense Department lawyers, were published in the Wall Street Journal on Monday. The text asserts, among other things, that the president, in his position as commander-in-chief, has virtually unlimited power to wage war, even in violation of US law and international treaties.

"The breadth of authority in the report is wholly unprecedented," says Avi Cover, a senior attorney with the US Law and Security program of Human Rights First, formerly known as Lawyers Committee for Human Rights. "Until now, we've used the rhetoric of a president who is 'above the law', but this document makes that explicit; it's not a metaphor anymore," he added.

While it is unknown whether Bush himself ever saw or approved the report, it was classified "secret" by Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld on March 6, 2003, the eve of the US invasion of Iraq, according to the Journal. A full copy of the report is expected to be published on the Internet soon, according to sources who declined to say on which website it would appear.
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(Inter Press Service)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FF09Ak01.html
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  -WP: Memo Offered Justification for Use of Torture kskiska  Jun-07-04 09:57 PM   #0 
  - Personally, I'm flabbergasted that it's taken this long.  Kagemusha   Jun-07-04 10:04 PM   #1 
  - Shock and awe no more. Numb, yes. ...........  goforit   Jun-08-04 04:20 PM   #48 
  - "The actions of a few" Actions that just happen to be covered by  awake   Jun-07-04 10:18 PM   #2 
  - let's not forget that most of those "suspects..."  mike_c   Jun-07-04 10:24 PM   #3 
  - This means that bush signed a "Presidential Finding" or Executive  Spazito   Jun-07-04 10:27 PM   #4 
  - The President -- ALONE -- can OVERRIDE the law ...  maryallen   Jun-07-04 10:50 PM   #8 
  - But the law of the land IS the Geneva Conventions according to  Spazito   Jun-07-04 11:02 PM   #10 
  - That's what I'm saying:  maryallen   Jun-07-04 11:21 PM   #14 
  - All treaties become the law of the land.  alfredo   Jun-08-04 12:08 AM   #15 
  - There really is a river called the Rubicon  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-08-04 08:07 AM   #31 
  - Could you give me an explanation of Rubicon?  goforit   Jun-08-04 04:27 PM   #51 
     - The Rubicon is the river  Sophree   Jun-08-04 07:25 PM   #60 
     - Rubicon explained  GarySeven   Jun-08-04 07:27 PM   #61 
  - And it will come out, too  LizW   Jun-08-04 08:02 AM   #28 
  - I agree, if this is allowed to stand...  Spazito   Jun-08-04 08:22 AM   #36 
  - So...Bush signed a presidential directive authorizing the use of torture  ElementaryPenguin   Jun-08-04 05:46 PM   #55 
  - So when does Ashcroft get to torture liberals and anyone else  neverforget   Jun-07-04 10:28 PM   #5 
  - And this is their master plan......  goforit   Jun-08-04 04:35 PM   #52 
  - So, what is the legal definition of a federal employee?  Tellurian   Jun-07-04 10:46 PM   #6 
  - 50 leaked pages of government approved smoking guns!  hedda_foil   Jun-07-04 10:46 PM   #7 
  - wonder who the "deep throat" is this time???  maddezmom   Jun-08-04 07:01 AM   #20 
  - As there have been mutiple deaths under interrogations at different sites  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-08-04 09:40 PM   #65 
  - No surprise...  cosmokramer   Jun-07-04 10:53 PM   #9 
  - You don't suppose . . .  gratuitous   Jun-07-04 11:02 PM   #11 
  - If they believed what they were doing was legal and ...  Spazito   Jun-07-04 11:06 PM   #12 
  - No, of coarse not,  Timefortruth   Jun-08-04 07:38 AM   #24 
  - It's too bad that this is coming out this week,  Kool Kitty   Jun-07-04 11:15 PM   #13 
  - Reagan will fade soon, but the Abu Ghraib can never die, it will out live  0007   Jun-08-04 08:12 AM   #34 
  - Actually, I think you are right.  Kool Kitty   Jun-08-04 02:57 PM   #41 
  - Abu Gharib is not going away. If you heard the Ashscroft hearings today  keithyboy   Jun-08-04 04:15 PM   #47 
     - I just finished watching the Ashcroft hearings  elf   Jun-08-04 10:33 PM   #67 
  - Well, if Kerry is smart, he will be pointing out that we are screwing  Gloria   Jun-08-04 02:01 AM   #16 
  - Either this was in the  shraby   Jun-08-04 02:23 AM   #17 
  - Time for a cherubic little quote from alleged human Alberto Gonzalez  PurityOfEssence   Jun-08-04 02:43 AM   #18 
  - He said something totally different  JudiLyn   Jun-08-04 04:23 AM   #19 
  - Torture: Another blow for Rumsfeld?  JudiLyn   Jun-08-04 07:10 AM   #21 
  - see the Times reporting  gottaB   Jun-08-04 07:25 AM   #22 
  - That Times article is on the front page  gristy   Jun-08-04 07:37 AM   #23 
     - clearly a war crime  gottaB   Jun-08-04 07:55 AM   #26 
     - Oh, wow, look at the NYT go  party_line   Jun-08-04 08:08 AM   #33 
  - Lots of folks carrying this story today  gristy   Jun-08-04 07:50 AM   #25 
  - Anything about it on tv news yet?  LizW   Jun-08-04 08:04 AM   #29 
  - At the very least the author(s) of the memo should be fired.  Sentinel Chicken   Jun-08-04 08:02 AM   #27 
  - That's not going to happen  gristy   Jun-08-04 08:08 AM   #32 
     - If they gave him bad advice they should be fired.  Sentinel Chicken   Jun-08-04 09:26 AM   #37 
  - Lawyers Decided Bans on Torture Didn't Bind Bush (NYT)  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-08-04 08:05 AM   #30 
  - By saying that Bu$hCo is above the law  DoYouEverWonder   Jun-08-04 08:14 AM   #35 
  - Holy shit! Leahy asked Ashcroft directly whether the President...  Spazito   Jun-08-04 10:02 AM   #38 
  - Are these the docs he won't turn over to congress?  jdjkkse   Jun-08-04 03:31 PM   #44 
  - I think we should stop troubling ourselves over all this torture and watch  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jun-08-04 03:51 PM   #45 
  - That moment  elf   Jun-08-04 10:45 PM   #68 
  - Kick  Spazito   Jun-08-04 11:26 AM   #39 
  - Key item is buried in the story  GarySeven   Jun-08-04 11:31 AM   #40 
  - Good catch.  Kool Kitty   Jun-08-04 03:02 PM   #43 
  - These THUGS are WAR CRIMINALS  saigon68   Jun-08-04 03:00 PM   #42 
  - US has interrogation 'specials'  struggle4progress   Jun-08-04 04:08 PM   #46 
  - We need to keep this thread  Wubette   Jun-08-04 04:22 PM   #50 
  - Who's gonna appoint an Independent Investigator for Justice Dept?  goforit   Jun-08-04 04:22 PM   #49 
  - False Testimony under oath?  Disturbed   Jun-08-04 04:40 PM   #53 
  - Ashcroft Says Bush Rejects Use of Torture  DainBramaged   Jun-08-04 05:08 PM   #54 
  - A major KICK!!  ElementaryPenguin   Jun-08-04 06:51 PM   #56 
  - Very, very confusing.  Miss Authoritiva   Jun-08-04 07:01 PM   #57 
  - It certainly won't get Bushler off the hook!  ElementaryPenguin   Jun-08-04 07:05 PM   #58 
  - Not so confusing  GarySeven   Jun-08-04 07:21 PM   #59 
     - Drip, drip, drip  DainBramaged   Jun-08-04 07:58 PM   #62 
     - Would the NATO commandos have to hold off until the  Miss Authoritiva   Jun-08-04 08:53 PM   #63 
        - Commandos in zodiacs  GarySeven   Jun-08-04 10:11 PM   #66 
  - Kick It Up.  David Zephyr   Jun-08-04 09:29 PM   #64 
 

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