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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:09 PM
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81. I just don't agree


If what you say is true then how come Al Gore got MORE votes than Bush? The PRO GUN candidate got FEWER votes.

Yea sure it was close and you say that Gore lost W.Va because of this, but I could then ask you to consider that maybe Gore doesn't win Oregon if he took a more "pro gun" stand as Oregon is far more progressive.

See? You can't please all sides of every coin. Had Gore sold out and went pro-gun and locked up the 23 gun owners who are Liberal maybe he wins W.Va, but then Bush wins Oregon.

The lock-stock-n-barrell "gun nuts" are mostly Conservative. Yes, there are plenty of Liberals and Democrats (such as myself) who own guns and take a narrow perspective of the 2nd amendment. There are likely plenty of Liberal gun owners like myself who don't have any problem with gun control at all and certainly don't want to take it out of the platform.

My view is if we are even on guns we still lose the South, because the Democrats aren't jingoistic enough, don't thump enough bibles, are tolerant.

Hell...maybe after the Dems shitcan the gun control angle we can dump the pro choice position. Hell, think of all the religious people in the South we lose because of this issue. In truth, Christians probably would be more supportive of Liberal economic policies, but because we are pro-choice they won't even look at us.

See where we could go with this?

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  -Kerry Faces Opposition From NRA Members khephra  May-21-04 01:47 AM   #0 
  - Wait a second  RummyTheDummy   May-21-04 01:52 AM   #1 
  - so?  truthisfreedom   May-21-04 01:56 AM   #2 
  - He will be accussed of a hidden agenda to take their guns  Born Free   May-21-04 04:19 AM   #14 
     - Hidden my ass...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 05:33 AM   #17 
        - Bullshit  Bandit   May-21-04 12:29 PM   #35 
        - Then how has Kerry shown himself to be a friend of gun rights? (nt)  FeebMaster   May-21-04 01:18 PM   #39 
        - Please enumerate...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 05:35 PM   #56 
        - What took you so long? Guns were a-hurtin'! 2nd amendment needs ya!  robbedvoter   May-21-04 05:03 PM   #54 
           - If you can't rebutt the argument...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 05:37 PM   #57 
  - An opportunity lost....  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 02:15 AM   #3 
  - Yeah they would  leftistagitator   May-21-04 02:27 AM   #5 
  - Ah. So my Democratic Congressman....  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 02:53 AM   #7 
     - Here you go  leftistagitator   May-21-04 03:25 AM   #11 
        - For those who want to read the actual article:  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 03:46 AM   #12 
           - 3 reasons  leftistagitator   May-21-04 04:11 AM   #13 
              - Join together is an anti gun site.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 05:26 AM   #16 
                 - I realize the story has a political bias  leftistagitator   May-21-04 06:37 AM   #19 
                    - There's no real need...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 11:24 AM   #30 
                       - But isn't all of that case law unconstitional?  leftistagitator   May-21-04 02:54 PM   #46 
                          - Some of it is, some of it isn't.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 04:18 PM   #47 
                             - I didn't realise that so much was legal at the Federal level  leftistagitator   May-21-04 06:16 PM   #62 
                                - the problem with registration...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 07:43 PM   #67 
                                   - That is the problem with registration  leftistagitator   May-21-04 08:52 PM   #68 
  - So, will YOU be voting for the Fratboy Fuhrer in November?....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 07:46 AM   #21 
  - No, No, No, YES.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 11:18 AM   #29 
  - All gun control language should be removed from the Democrat platform.  Crachet2004   May-21-04 08:29 AM   #28 
  - This is news?  Sandpiper   May-21-04 02:23 AM   #4 
  - The NRA as it exists now is a branch of the Republican party  Democat   May-21-04 02:34 AM   #6 
  - Exactly. Those people would vote for the Fratboy Fuhrer no matter...  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 07:50 AM   #22 
  - The wacko branch.  Buzzz   May-21-04 08:21 AM   #26 
  - Kerry could have been less political and tried to find common...  JayS   May-21-04 01:40 PM   #44 
  - Screw The NRA  Don_G   May-21-04 03:01 AM   #8 
  - Don, I think you're mixing your metaphors.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 03:08 AM   #9 
     - Off topic but you remind me why the planes were fatal to the WTC  NewYorkerfromMass   May-21-04 08:16 AM   #25 
  - last I heard there were  pacifictiger   May-21-04 03:14 AM   #10 
  - I'm pro-gun  DaveSZ   May-21-04 05:19 AM   #15 
     - Here's how stupid the NRA boys are.  bobbyboucher   May-21-04 12:30 PM   #37 
        - "Now how did I get signed up for the NRA?"  JayS   May-22-04 05:22 PM   #111 
  - Like they would EVER  dusty64   May-21-04 05:39 AM   #18 
  - According to The Center for Responsible Politics  ritc2750   May-21-04 07:32 AM   #20 
  - If I were Kerry's campaign, I would ask the NRA membership what they....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 07:55 AM   #23 
  - Lots of non-voters among the NRA ranks  ritc2750   May-21-04 12:19 PM   #33 
     - Then there's that other big chunk who aren't members of the NRA  FeebMaster   May-21-04 01:17 PM   #38 
     - Documentation, please.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 04:33 PM   #48 
     - But Clinton cruised past them in '96  ritc2750   May-21-04 06:59 PM   #63 
        - I wish I had your faith...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 07:37 PM   #66 
     - People who join political organizations not only vote in droves...  JayS   May-22-04 05:33 PM   #113 
  - Kerry has targeted the NRA it should come as no...  JayS   May-21-04 01:33 PM   #43 
  - this gun owner will vote for Kerry!  truthspeaker   May-21-04 08:06 AM   #24 
  - It was an immunity from frivolous lawsuits. This issue hurt...  JayS   May-21-04 01:29 PM   #42 
  - Well there is a surprise!  Stuckinthebush   May-21-04 08:24 AM   #27 
  - Here's a fun site "gunnin" for the NRA  iha_te_bush   May-21-04 11:46 AM   #31 
  - Did you know that this "blacklist" has existed for about 25 years?  JayS   May-21-04 01:27 PM   #41 
  - Uh huh....and when we have boycott lists for things like animal rights...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 04:37 PM   #50 
  - here's the salient point  Romulus   May-21-04 12:17 PM   #32 
  - I'll just say this.  yardwork   May-21-04 12:27 PM   #34 
  - There are going to be a lot of stupid people then. Note that...  JayS   May-21-04 01:25 PM   #40 
  - Yes, but there will also be those who simply stay home. nt  BullGooseLoony   May-22-04 12:50 AM   #107 
  - The Nuts Ruining America (NRA) Does Not Deserve to Exist  CO Liberal   May-21-04 12:29 PM   #36 
  - I agree about that picture, but it's not quite as bad as the prison abuse  DaveSZ   May-21-04 01:40 PM   #45 
  - Nice, CO...So much for freedom of association....  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 04:35 PM   #49 
     - That Wasn't Me  CO Liberal   May-21-04 05:37 PM   #58 
     - Are you sure?  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 07:21 PM   #65 
     - Yeah, And A While Back......  Paladin   May-21-04 05:54 PM   #59 
        - Actually...  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 07:06 PM   #64 
  - I'm a gun owner, and I'm voting for Kerry  Frangible   May-21-04 04:42 PM   #51 
  - I doubt their membership will blindly follow this time - they are pissed  robbedvoter   May-21-04 04:57 PM   #52 
  - The NRA would lobby against Jesus if he came back one day  Cronus   May-21-04 05:01 PM   #53 
  - Oh! Heaven forbid! Background checks!  leesa   May-21-04 05:31 PM   #55 
  - Screw the NRA and screw your toys!  stepnw1f   May-21-04 06:12 PM   #60 
  - Bury your head in the sand  CityDem   May-21-04 06:15 PM   #61 
  - There is a difference between  wabeewoman   May-21-04 09:06 PM   #69 
  - If Kerry wants gun owners to believe that he is pro-gun, he...  JayS   May-21-04 10:27 PM   #86 
  - All Gore was pushing was the FOID card thing...  DoNotRefill   May-22-04 12:28 AM   #104 
  - Question  Columbia   May-21-04 09:13 PM   #70 
  - There are three voting camps here, not two  NickB79   May-21-04 09:26 PM   #71 
  - Gore lost because of Guns? Hogwash  kwolf68   May-21-04 09:38 PM   #72 
  - I know TONS of minority gun-owners  Columbia   May-21-04 09:46 PM   #73 
  - Duh!!!  kwolf68   May-21-04 09:56 PM   #75 
     - Yes, but who will the exceptions vote for  Columbia   May-21-04 10:01 PM   #76 
     - I just don't agree  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:09 PM   #81 
        - Yet he still lost by a few hundred votes  Columbia   May-21-04 10:18 PM   #83 
           - Interesting---This suggests Dems better STAY with controls  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:31 PM   #87 
              - Yes, but how much do they care  Columbia   May-21-04 10:37 PM   #90 
              - Strawman and Conjecture  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:44 PM   #92 
              - Sorry, the Big Dog agrees with me  Columbia   May-21-04 10:53 PM   #96 
              - Keep in mind that many of the people who vote along the lines...  JayS   May-21-04 10:52 PM   #95 
                 - Exactly right  Columbia   May-21-04 10:55 PM   #97 
              - Define gun control, please. n/t  JayS   May-21-04 10:44 PM   #91 
              - I think you missed a few polls when you looked over that site.  JayS   May-21-04 11:19 PM   #101 
     - Why would they say anything about you buying a RPG?  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 10:03 PM   #78 
  - I hate to break it to you  FeebMaster   May-21-04 09:49 PM   #74 
  - Oh  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:01 PM   #77 
     - Sure you can, if it's not prohibited by State law.  DoNotRefill   May-21-04 10:07 PM   #79 
     - Fully Automatic guns  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:23 PM   #84 
        - The assault weapons ban has nothing to do with machine guns.  FeebMaster   May-21-04 10:32 PM   #88 
        - I understand that  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:52 PM   #94 
           - They aren't illegal.  FeebMaster   May-21-04 11:12 PM   #100 
           - China did indeed build a post-ban semi Uzi...  DoNotRefill   May-22-04 12:39 AM   #105 
           - Wrong.  DoNotRefill   May-22-04 12:22 AM   #103 
        - yes, they are legal.  DoNotRefill   May-22-04 12:18 AM   #102 
     - You are mistaken.  FeebMaster   May-21-04 10:08 PM   #80 
     - Actually you can  Columbia   May-21-04 10:12 PM   #82 
        - Well not really  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:27 PM   #85 
           - Yes really  Columbia   May-21-04 10:33 PM   #89 
              - Not for eliminating  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:50 PM   #93 
                 - WELL IM GONE  kwolf68   May-21-04 10:58 PM   #98 
                 - Not the fire in theater analogy again...  Columbia   May-21-04 11:01 PM   #99 
                 - there are constitutional restrictions on guns, too...  DoNotRefill   May-22-04 12:42 AM   #106 
                    - You explained it a lot better than I did  Columbia   May-22-04 12:55 AM   #109 
  - Do you have a link to the source of your....information? n/t  JayS   May-22-04 05:25 PM   #112 
  - We don't stand up strong for abortion rights, or gay rights, but we  BullGooseLoony   May-22-04 12:54 AM   #108 
  - This has been an educational thread for me...  Crachet2004   May-22-04 08:43 AM   #110 

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