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Fri May-21-04 09:26 PM
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| 71. There are three voting camps here, not two |
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Everyone seems to make is seem like a one-or-the-other situation: vote for Bush or vote for Kerry. You forget the third option: say fuck it and don't vote at all. There are a lot of people out there who support most of what Kerry stands for, EXCEPT for his stance on gun control, myself included. And by alienating us with a gun-control stance, you can expect many people to be so conflicted by their conciences that they just refuse to vote whatsoever. I know that when I realized Dean was not going to make it past the primaries, I came very, very close to throwing up my hands in disgust and dropping out of the voting population entirely. It took a long time, but I've been able to convince myself that it is better in the long run to vote for Kerry than to not vote at all. I rationalized this by considering that, in all of Clinton's 8 years, the only significant piece of gun control legislation to pass was the 1994 AWB, due to stiff resistance by the NRA and other pro-gun groups, and even this was only a temporary ban. With the complete failure to obtain enough support to renew the AWB, that implies to me that gun control has become an issue the American people have tired of, and a new push by Kerry for more gun control laws will fail. However, I personally know of several people who have not been able to rationalize away their concerns, and have decided not to vote at all. This could very well end up costing Kerry precious votes.
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| -Kerry Faces Opposition From NRA Members |
khephra |
May-21-04 01:47 AM |
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Wait a second |
RummyTheDummy |
May-21-04 01:52 AM |
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so? |
truthisfreedom |
May-21-04 01:56 AM |
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He will be accussed of a hidden agenda to take their guns |
Born Free |
May-21-04 04:19 AM |
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Hidden my ass... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 05:33 AM |
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Bullshit |
Bandit |
May-21-04 12:29 PM |
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Then how has Kerry shown himself to be a friend of gun rights? (nt) |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 01:18 PM |
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Please enumerate... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 05:35 PM |
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What took you so long? Guns were a-hurtin'! 2nd amendment needs ya! |
robbedvoter |
May-21-04 05:03 PM |
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If you can't rebutt the argument... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 05:37 PM |
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An opportunity lost.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 02:15 AM |
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Yeah they would |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 02:27 AM |
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Ah. So my Democratic Congressman.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 02:53 AM |
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Here you go |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 03:25 AM |
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For those who want to read the actual article: |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 03:46 AM |
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3 reasons |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 04:11 AM |
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Join together is an anti gun site. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 05:26 AM |
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I realize the story has a political bias |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 06:37 AM |
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There's no real need... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 11:24 AM |
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But isn't all of that case law unconstitional? |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 02:54 PM |
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Some of it is, some of it isn't. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 04:18 PM |
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I didn't realise that so much was legal at the Federal level |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 06:16 PM |
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the problem with registration... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 07:43 PM |
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That is the problem with registration |
leftistagitator |
May-21-04 08:52 PM |
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So, will YOU be voting for the Fratboy Fuhrer in November?.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-21-04 07:46 AM |
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No, No, No, YES. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 11:18 AM |
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All gun control language should be removed from the Democrat platform. |
Crachet2004 |
May-21-04 08:29 AM |
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This is news? |
Sandpiper |
May-21-04 02:23 AM |
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The NRA as it exists now is a branch of the Republican party |
Democat |
May-21-04 02:34 AM |
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Exactly. Those people would vote for the Fratboy Fuhrer no matter... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-21-04 07:50 AM |
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The wacko branch. |
Buzzz |
May-21-04 08:21 AM |
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Kerry could have been less political and tried to find common... |
JayS |
May-21-04 01:40 PM |
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Screw The NRA |
Don_G |
May-21-04 03:01 AM |
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Don, I think you're mixing your metaphors. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 03:08 AM |
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Off topic but you remind me why the planes were fatal to the WTC |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-21-04 08:16 AM |
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last I heard there were |
pacifictiger |
May-21-04 03:14 AM |
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I'm pro-gun |
DaveSZ |
May-21-04 05:19 AM |
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Here's how stupid the NRA boys are. |
bobbyboucher |
May-21-04 12:30 PM |
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"Now how did I get signed up for the NRA?" |
JayS |
May-22-04 05:22 PM |
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Like they would EVER |
dusty64 |
May-21-04 05:39 AM |
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According to The Center for Responsible Politics |
ritc2750 |
May-21-04 07:32 AM |
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If I were Kerry's campaign, I would ask the NRA membership what they.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-21-04 07:55 AM |
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Lots of non-voters among the NRA ranks |
ritc2750 |
May-21-04 12:19 PM |
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Then there's that other big chunk who aren't members of the NRA |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 01:17 PM |
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Documentation, please. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 04:33 PM |
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But Clinton cruised past them in '96 |
ritc2750 |
May-21-04 06:59 PM |
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I wish I had your faith... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 07:37 PM |
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People who join political organizations not only vote in droves... |
JayS |
May-22-04 05:33 PM |
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Kerry has targeted the NRA also...so it should come as no... |
JayS |
May-21-04 01:33 PM |
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this gun owner will vote for Kerry! |
truthspeaker |
May-21-04 08:06 AM |
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It was an immunity from frivolous lawsuits. This issue hurt... |
JayS |
May-21-04 01:29 PM |
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Well there is a surprise! |
Stuckinthebush |
May-21-04 08:24 AM |
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Here's a fun site "gunnin" for the NRA |
iha_te_bush |
May-21-04 11:46 AM |
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Did you know that this "blacklist" has existed for about 25 years? |
JayS |
May-21-04 01:27 PM |
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Uh huh....and when we have boycott lists for things like animal rights... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 04:37 PM |
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here's the salient point |
Romulus |
May-21-04 12:17 PM |
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I'll just say this. |
yardwork |
May-21-04 12:27 PM |
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There are going to be a lot of stupid people then. Note that... |
JayS |
May-21-04 01:25 PM |
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Yes, but there will also be those who simply stay home. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-04 12:50 AM |
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The Nuts Ruining America (NRA) Does Not Deserve to Exist |
CO Liberal |
May-21-04 12:29 PM |
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I agree about that picture, but it's not quite as bad as the prison abuse |
DaveSZ |
May-21-04 01:40 PM |
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Nice, CO...So much for freedom of association.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 04:35 PM |
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That Wasn't Me |
CO Liberal |
May-21-04 05:37 PM |
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Are you sure? |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 07:21 PM |
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Yeah, And A While Back...... |
Paladin |
May-21-04 05:54 PM |
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Actually... |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 07:06 PM |
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I'm a gun owner, and I'm voting for Kerry |
Frangible |
May-21-04 04:42 PM |
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I doubt their membership will blindly follow this time - they are pissed |
robbedvoter |
May-21-04 04:57 PM |
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The NRA would lobby against Jesus if he came back one day |
Cronus |
May-21-04 05:01 PM |
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Oh! Heaven forbid! Background checks! |
leesa |
May-21-04 05:31 PM |
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Screw the NRA and screw your toys! |
stepnw1f |
May-21-04 06:12 PM |
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Bury your head in the sand |
CityDem |
May-21-04 06:15 PM |
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There is a difference between |
wabeewoman |
May-21-04 09:06 PM |
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If Kerry wants gun owners to believe that he is pro-gun, he... |
JayS |
May-21-04 10:27 PM |
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All Gore was pushing was the FOID card thing... |
DoNotRefill |
May-22-04 12:28 AM |
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Question |
Columbia |
May-21-04 09:13 PM |
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There are three voting camps here, not two |
NickB79 |
May-21-04 09:26 PM |
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Gore lost because of Guns? Hogwash |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 09:38 PM |
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I know TONS of minority gun-owners |
Columbia |
May-21-04 09:46 PM |
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Duh!!! |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 09:56 PM |
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Yes, but who will the exceptions vote for |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:01 PM |
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I just don't agree |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:09 PM |
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Yet he still lost by a few hundred votes |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:18 PM |
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Interesting---This suggests Dems better STAY with controls |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:31 PM |
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Yes, but how much do they care |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:37 PM |
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Strawman and Conjecture |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:44 PM |
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Sorry, the Big Dog agrees with me |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:53 PM |
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Keep in mind that many of the people who vote along the lines... |
JayS |
May-21-04 10:52 PM |
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Exactly right |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:55 PM |
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Define gun control, please. n/t |
JayS |
May-21-04 10:44 PM |
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I think you missed a few polls when you looked over that site. |
JayS |
May-21-04 11:19 PM |
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Why would they say anything about you buying a RPG? |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 10:03 PM |
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I hate to break it to you |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 09:49 PM |
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Oh |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:01 PM |
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Sure you can, if it's not prohibited by State law. |
DoNotRefill |
May-21-04 10:07 PM |
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Fully Automatic guns |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:23 PM |
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The assault weapons ban has nothing to do with machine guns. |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 10:32 PM |
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I understand that |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:52 PM |
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They aren't illegal. |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 11:12 PM |
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China did indeed build a post-ban semi Uzi... |
DoNotRefill |
May-22-04 12:39 AM |
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Wrong. |
DoNotRefill |
May-22-04 12:22 AM |
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yes, they are legal. |
DoNotRefill |
May-22-04 12:18 AM |
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You are mistaken. |
FeebMaster |
May-21-04 10:08 PM |
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Actually you can |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:12 PM |
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Well not really |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:27 PM |
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Yes really |
Columbia |
May-21-04 10:33 PM |
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Not for eliminating |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:50 PM |
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WELL IM GONE |
kwolf68 |
May-21-04 10:58 PM |
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Not the fire in theater analogy again... |
Columbia |
May-21-04 11:01 PM |
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there are constitutional restrictions on guns, too... |
DoNotRefill |
May-22-04 12:42 AM |
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You explained it a lot better than I did |
Columbia |
May-22-04 12:55 AM |
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Do you have a link to the source of your....information? n/t |
JayS |
May-22-04 05:25 PM |
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We don't stand up strong for abortion rights, or gay rights, but we |
BullGooseLoony |
May-22-04 12:54 AM |
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This has been an educational thread for me... |
Crachet2004 |
May-22-04 08:43 AM |
#110 |