You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #31: The Dogs of War [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. The Dogs of War
Edited on Sun May-16-04 11:49 PM by seemslikeadream
Thanks Dulcey


Not even Frederick Forsyth thought of so many twists and riddles in his Dogs of War, probably the best-known novel about mercenaries.
The book was based on Forsyth's personal adventures - he was involved in an unsuccessful scheme to overthrow the head of state of Equatorial Guinea in 1972.
But even the Dogs of War cannot rival this bizarre tale of confusion.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=84&art_id=vn200... ...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
visitors from the darkside,
it is with much pleasure that I present:
AFRICAN OIL POLITICS
which offers
forward-looking views on african oil politics and related energy security issues
http://africanoilpolitics.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_afric... ...

This MOST INSIGHTFUL BLOG
offers information, interviews and analysis that cannot - to my knowledge - be found elsewhere.
As you all know, the US is VERY dependent on oil and as global oil reserves diminish, the West is once again aligned in a Scramble for Africa.
The Organization of African Unity, having seen what the the first Western-led Scramble for Africa did to the people and the resources of Africa, took the pre-emptive step, in 1999,
of permanently outlawing coups d'etat on African soil.
http://www.thisdayonline.com/archive/2003/04/22/2003042...
Unfortunately,
this action has not deterred certain nations (whose ideas of protective pre-emptive action consist basically of violating the Peace of Westphalia) from doing their darndest to destabilize African nations - and most especially those African nations who have oil.
http://www.netnomad.com/fineman.html
The African Oil Politics blog keeps a watchful eye on these and other oil-related developments.
But I digress.

Our story today,
starts in Madrid,
where a terrible bombing occurred on March 11, 2004.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,2763,1166996,...

The bombings in Madrid have distracted the attention of many from the events taking place in Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe investigators allege that Spanish-based rebel leader Severo Moto offered the suspects money and oil rights to overthrow the government in Equatorial Guinea. Fifteen suspected mercenaries were also arrested in that country last week.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=79&art_id=qw107... ...

Pedro said the men were recruited by an agent representing Logo Logistics, which had connections with the now defunct Executive Outcomes (EO), a private security company owned by former South African Defence Force intelligence officer Eben Barlow.
The recruiting agent is known to be a former 32 Battalion sergeant.
EO is now operating under the name of Saracen and has close links with Logo Logistics, based in London.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=84&art_id=vn200... ...

And now, over to our star reporter:

Saturday, March 13, 2004
Before I start to the review of the most juicy stories of the day, let me urge you to visit Katryn Cramer's blog. She did a wonderful job tracking the N4610 plane background and posting updates. Katryn is a SciFi writer and editor from Pleasantville (NY). I wonder what grabbed her interest. Sometimes, Africa just looks like another planet and African Oil Politics reads like a pod conspiracy.
Today's media coverage was... average. No new interesting leads emerged. However, more western (mostly Bristish) newspapers dare report the story. But there's a specific twist and bias that is absent from the African papers reviewed here yesterday. I'll start with Nicholas Christian's piece which is clearly designed to arouse pity for Simon Mann - the poor little boy who finds himself in such a baaad situation:

FEARS were growing last night for a former British soldier who faces the death sentence after he was arrested in Zimbabwe and charged with aiding a coup plot against another African country. ... Amid reports he has homes in South Africa and in Hampshire, Mann’s nationality remains unclear. The army will sign-up those Britons with dual nationality and citizens from the Commonwealth but has not confirmed Mann was a member of the forces. He is said to be Sandhurst-trained and to have served in Northern Ireland with the Scots Guards and later in the 1990 Gulf War as an intelligence officer in Riyadh. His father is said to be the late George Mann, president of the Marylebone Cricket Club and a former captain of England’s cricket team. Since leaving the army, Mann has been employed as a computer consultant and linked to a number of ‘private military’ firms, including Sandline International and Executive Outcomes.

I love how hard he tries to turn the guy into a victim. Come on Christian, you're talking about a dog of war - a tough guy trained by the SAS and who makes his living organizing coups, killing people. And don't repeat that he's LINKED to a number of PM firms. Just say that he was he was one of the founders of Executive Outcomes and everybody will understand. But thank you for bringing us up to date about his film career. I didn't know he played Colonel Wilford in Bloody Sunday. I'll watch the DVD to check how the guy looks like.
http://africanoilpolitics.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_afric... ...

And now to Kathryn Cramer's blog.

First of all, N4610 isn't just any random former US cargo plane. Rather it is a specific military plane with a specific history which is relatively easy to find out on the web. As is widely reported, the plane was registered to Dodson Aviation, Inc. of Ottawa, Kansas. Jetliners.com lists the plane as operated by the U. S. Air Force. It also gives additional information: that the plane is a specific type of Boeing cargo plane, a C-22B, and it gives an additional identification number 83-4610. Airlink has a nice factsheet with a picture of the type of plane, a Boeing 727-100 modified for air national guard support missions.
<snip>
The plane in question was on display at the Andrews AFB, Department of Defense Open House on May 15, 1999. The records of the airshow suggest that it was also assigned to the 201st Airlift Squadron, District of Columbia Air National Guard.
The State Department disingenuous claim -- endlessly repeated in news stories around the globe -- is that they have " no indication this aircraft is connected to the U.S. government."
http://www.kathryncramer.com/wblog/archives/000457.html

Oh my!
http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/examples.osi.h...
http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo /

Cde Mohadi said Mann had revealed that the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), America*s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Spanish Secret Service aided the group.
The secret services persuaded the Equatorial Guinea service chiefs, that is the head of police and commander of the army, not to put up any resistance.
They were promised cabinet posts in Moto*s government.
The agencies were responsible for the hiring of the Boeing 727-100 from Dodson Aviation and they also provided satellite communication system to link up Moto in Spain, Mann and du Toit in South Africa and Bonds in Malabo.
United States forces are reportedly carrying out military exercises around Equatorial Guinea.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200403100875.html



Surely this is is all an unfortunate coincidence.
There is NOTHING to link N4610 acts of international terrorism
such as the attacks in New York and Washington DC
by N334AA and N644AA.
Surely the 1/14/2002 FAA cancellation dates on
these three aircraft is just happenstance, or a mere coincidence.
OK,
so Auric Goldfinger stated bluntly that
"one is happenstance, two is coincidence, but three is enemy action"
but he is NOT a reliable source of information since Ian Fleming pulled a Jack Kelley when he came up with that quote.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-03-18-2004-03-18_kell... ...

Equatorial Guinea's state radio said Moto had paid South African Nick du Toit, 48, the leader of the advance party in Equatorial Guinea, $10-million (about R67-million).
Speaking on state television, Du Toit said the advance party would take strategic targets such as the presidency, the military barracks, police posts and the residences of government members.
South African security sources say the Zimbabwean group was heading to a covert military training camp in Cameroon that was to be the staging point for a seaborne assault.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=68&art_id=vn200... ...

DAMN AL QAEDA.
SHUT DOWN THEIR TRAINING CAMPS.
WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCUSS INNOCENCE OR GUILT.
WE KNOW THEY ARE GUILTY.
HAND THEM OVER.
RIGHT NOW.

This is the US State Department 1996 report concerning
the Current Administration of President Teodoro Obiang, who,
"together with his associates, dominates the Government. The President's Democratic Party of Equatorial Guinea (PDGE) controls the judiciary and the legislature, the latter through fraudulent elections. "

d. Arbitrary Arrest, Detention, or Exile
Police routinely hold persons in incommunicado detention. The government arrested political figures and detained them for indeterminate periods. There were also credible reports that around five members of the Movement for the Autodetermination of the Island of Bioko (MAIB), an ethnically based political opposition group, were detained in prison for several weeks. At least 15 members of the opposition were arrested for political activity during the year.

In February, opposition leader Severo Moto and nine additional opposition and military figures were arrested and charged with treason.
At their trial in April (which lasted only 7 hours), one defendant was acquitted. The others were convicted and sentenced to long prison terms. Moto received a 28-year sentence. The trial was held in a military court which did not have jurisdiction over Moto, a civilian.
After extensive international criticism and an international campaign for his release, he and his fellow defendants were pardoned and released in August. Although the Government did not force Moto to leave the country, he left to reside abroad soon after his release.

There are nominal but unenforced legal procedural safeguards regarding detention, the need for search warrants, and other protections of prisoners' rights. Judicial warrants are required. Generally, however, the police arrest suspects without having obtained warrants.
Authorities also continued to hold citizens of Nigeria, Ghana, Gabon, and other countries to secure bribes.
The Government does not force citizens into exile.
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/democracy/1995_hrp_report... ...

WHAT BARBARISM.
Thank God for our freedoms.

NEW YORK, March 19 (Reuters) - The euro rose against the dollar in early New York trade on Friday on reports of a bomb threat to Washington DC schools, traders said.
http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2004/03/19/r...

SO WHAT?
We are still WAY better than those heathens.

The Zimbabwe government said Simon Mann, an additional alleged plotter who had met the plane at the airport Sunday in Harare, confessed to having backing from London, Washington and Madrid.
Both British and U.S. officials, including U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, said they knew nothing about the plane or the plot. Spain, named as a co-conspirator and home of purported coup plotter Moto, threatened to file a formal complaint with Zimbabwe's government.
Questions remain
What happens next to the alleged mercenaries in Zimbabwe remains unclear. So far there appears to be little evidence that the men committed any crime beyond lying about the number of passengers on the flight, which Boshoff called "a small technical issue."
"You have to prove conspiracy, and that's not easy," he said. "What did they do wrong? That's my question."
Plenty of other questions remain as well. Could the apparent planned arms sale in Zimbabwe have been part of an entrapment plot, aimed at embarrassing Mugabe's enemies in the West? Was a flight plan filed in South Africa, indicating the plane was headed to Burundi, a smokescreen?
As South Africa's Star newspaper noted this week, "the solution . . . is easy. Frederick Forsyth just needs to write `Dogs of War II.'"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0403... ...


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -British businessman accused of leading role in failed coup seemslikeadream  May-15-04 05:59 PM   #0 
  - wouldn't it be a wonderful day  UpInArms   May-15-04 06:34 PM   #1 
  - That's called Justice.  Octafish   May-16-04 11:03 PM   #27 
  - Deny, deny, deny..............................= Quilty!!!!  goforit   May-15-04 06:46 PM   #2 
  - Plotting to Overthrow Governments..War Profiteers..  liarliartieonfire   May-15-04 07:01 PM   #3 
  - Just add this to Venesuela and the recent "Successful" takeover  soulsick in jp   May-15-04 07:07 PM   #4 
  - Mr du Toit claims that Mr Wales arranged much of the finance for the coup.  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 07:27 PM   #5 
  - The weapons supplied to Nick Du Toit's customers  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 07:32 PM   #6 
  - Equatorial Guinea also involved in the Riggs bank scandal  Snazzy   May-15-04 08:12 PM   #7 
  - Hey thanks  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 09:29 PM   #8 
  - A lot to absorb here and research--bookmarked  Snazzy   May-16-04 10:23 AM   #17 
     - Random thoughts  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 11:25 AM   #18 
        - Saudi-ization of African oil  Snazzy   May-16-04 02:11 PM   #19 
        - Pinochet  Snazzy   May-16-04 05:20 PM   #21 
        - Wish MARK LOMBARDI were still here  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 05:46 PM   #23 
           - need one of those  Snazzy   May-16-04 06:09 PM   #24 
              - Bush, the Saudi billionaire and the Islamists: the story a British firm is  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 08:12 PM   #25 
              - Did someboday say, "bin Mahfouz?" Howzaboud, "bin Laden?"  Octafish   May-16-04 10:59 PM   #26 
                 - Our friend Dulcedecorum Sun Mar-21-04  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 11:59 PM   #33 
        - I'm looking Khashoggi - Riggs that would be fun  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 05:35 PM   #22 
        - Khashoggi, a Solid Gold-Plated Turd of the BFEE  Octafish   May-16-04 11:29 PM   #29 
        - Khashoggi's ex sounds like fun.  Octafish   May-17-04 08:27 AM   #37 
           - You're up early huntin' 'em down!  seemslikeadream   May-17-04 08:45 AM   #38 
              - B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but tha's all BFEE folks!  Octafish   May-17-04 10:14 PM   #44 
        - Another random thought - Poppy's in London  catzies   May-17-04 01:28 PM   #42 
        - Probably discussing how the trial is going  seemslikeadream   May-17-04 01:37 PM   #43 
        - BCCI total bill was just over $13.5 billion. UAE president Shaikh  emad aisat sana   May-18-04 06:19 AM   #45 
        - Thanks emad  seemslikeadream   May-18-04 07:53 AM   #46 
        - S&P Rating for Amerada Hess today  Snazzy   May-18-04 12:53 PM   #47 
           - Little more on that  Snazzy   May-18-04 01:04 PM   #50 
              - Thanks so much  seemslikeadream   May-18-04 01:34 PM   #52 
  - Foundation of the Friends of Equatorial Guinea and the United States  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 09:37 PM   #9 
  - "warbusiness" a little history to refresh my thoughts  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 09:46 PM   #10 
  - Jonathan J. Bush uncle to President George Walker Bush  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 09:51 PM   #11 
  - So where has the money gone?  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 10:51 PM   #12 
  - There's a connection somewhere between Riggs and the  emad aisat sana   May-17-04 11:55 AM   #41 
  - Oo-oo that smell,  seemslikeadream   May-15-04 11:53 PM   #13 
  - PRESIDENT BUSH'S UNCLE IS A CHIEF EXECUTIVE AT RIGGS BANK  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 07:55 AM   #14 
  - Nice crime family. Here's one of my fave connections...  Octafish   May-16-04 11:34 PM   #30 
     - It always amused me that George Sr.  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 11:44 PM   #32 
        - Only those with something to hide wouldn't want to bring up THAT subject.  Octafish   May-17-04 12:08 AM   #34 
           - Dad stopped off and bought the little tike a toy in commerance of the day  seemslikeadream   May-17-04 12:24 AM   #35 
  - I bet Blair's government cooperates. I bet the Tories would not have.  AP   May-16-04 08:53 AM   #15 
  - 'Zim in $1,2bn fuel deal over mercenaries'  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 08:59 AM   #16 
  - Guinea opposition leader may be plotting coup  Snazzy   May-16-04 02:32 PM   #20 
  - You really should invest in oil from Western and sub-Saharan Africa  Octafish   May-16-04 11:07 PM   #28 
  - The Dogs of War  seemslikeadream   May-16-04 11:39 PM   #31 
  - Guinea opposition leader may be plotting coup  seemslikeadream   May-17-04 07:27 AM   #36 
  - Weapons trafficker 'protected' - News24  dArKeR   May-17-04 11:19 AM   #39 
  - Victor Bout, Africa's merchant of death !!!!!!  seemslikeadream   May-17-04 11:26 AM   #40 
  - Reuters: Suspected Mercenaries Seek South Africa Trial  Snazzy   May-18-04 12:58 PM   #48 
  - KR:Iraq a land of opportunity for South Africa's apartheid-era troops  Snazzy   May-18-04 01:12 PM   #51 
  - I wish the press would pick up on this.  Just Me   May-18-04 12:59 PM   #49 
  - Hi Just and thanks but I'm just having fun  seemslikeadream   May-18-04 01:56 PM   #53 
  - More Riggs/Jonathan Bush stuff posted today 19 May: See:  emad aisat sana   May-19-04 10:35 AM   #54 
  - Thanks emad  seemslikeadream   May-19-04 10:41 AM   #55 
  - Those withdrawls: funding Junior's 2004 campaign? Poppy in  emad aisat sana   May-19-04 10:44 AM   #56 
  - U.S. Ready To Fine Riggs Bank  seemslikeadream   May-20-04 07:46 AM   #57 
  - Unravelling the riddle of Simon Mann  Snazzy   May-20-04 09:52 AM   #58 
 

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC