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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:47 AM
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17. I like the idea, actually
and have long been a supporter of mandatory nationa service (before you ask, yes, I spent two years in Americorps) I believe that making all young people spend two years, or even one year, doing something in the service of the nation will do nothing but help the next generation build a spirit of community and national identity.

Let me expound on several reasons this will help:

1: it is the great leveler, there is no way out. Everyone, from a Bush to a Chavez, will spend time together. We will all have a common experience of some sort to build on. The children of the idle rich will have something in common with the children of sharecroppers and migrant labourer, and the children of lawyers and dentists.

2: it will give momentum to those people unfortunate enough to have started life in less than fortunate circumstances, the urban and rural poor especially. Too many young men and women have no incentive or drive to leave toxic neighborhoods and dedicate themselves to something.

3: It will help develop a generation that has spent time in the service of others, something too few people do today.

4: it will keep young men and women 'off the streets' and provide alternatives to negative lifestyles, be they running with a gang or blowing a trust fund on fine living.

5: it would provide a perfect opportunity for a 'clean start' for young people who had problems (perhaps legal or other) while teenagers, if you complete your national service honorably, we can wipethe slate and allow you to enter adulthood as a fully functioning member of society.

The first alternative would be military, but I see no real problem with providing alternatives such as Americorps or other civil service alternatives. In fact, I would love to see any real objections people have to this idea, and the reasonsings behind those objections.
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  -McDermott plays risky draft game icymist  Apr-28-04 10:16 AM   #0 
  - Is this the same McDermott...  russian33   Apr-28-04 10:18 AM   #1 
  - The same  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-28-04 12:45 PM   #28 
  - whats up with these idiots trying to bring back the draft  a560   Apr-28-04 10:19 AM   #2 
  - I guess it boils down to "What's more important?"  denverbill   Apr-28-04 10:23 AM   #3 
  - if you draft there will never be an end to US troops policing the world  a560   Apr-28-04 10:25 AM   #5 
  - Yeah? And how long before Joe Freeper starts voting for peaceniks?  denverbill   Apr-28-04 10:49 AM   #20 
     - but the logic is circular  ButterflyBlood   Apr-28-04 03:13 PM   #38 
  - Oh,...I see their tactic now.  Just Me   Apr-28-04 10:26 AM   #7 
     - I don't agree with it either. But I can understand it.  denverbill   Apr-28-04 10:53 AM   #21 
  - I disagree  Lefty_the_Right   Apr-28-04 10:28 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-04 10:42 AM   #13 
     - Who's a "fucking retard"?  Just Me   Apr-28-04 10:46 AM   #16 
  - Maybe not, but I think it's a "put up or shut up" ploy, really.  calimary   Apr-28-04 02:51 PM   #37 
  - I don't mind at all the notion of civil service,...  Just Me   Apr-28-04 10:24 AM   #4 
  - The only problem  Scooter24   Apr-29-04 02:36 AM   #48 
  - Here it is...  demdave   Apr-28-04 10:26 AM   #6 
  - So where does "Don't ask, don't tell" fit into all this?  Sunny_Sunshine   Apr-28-04 10:49 AM   #19 
  - What is "and for other purposes"  liburl   Apr-29-04 11:26 PM   #55 
  - I think it might be because  Christ was Socialist   Apr-28-04 10:26 AM   #8 
  - Dr. Jim  Jeezwhiz   Apr-28-04 10:28 AM   #9 
  - I saw Hagel on the news saying the exact same thing  Bandit   Apr-28-04 10:35 AM   #11 
  - good...i hope there's a draft  Magic Rat   Apr-28-04 10:37 AM   #12 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-04 10:43 AM   #14 
  - i know you are, but what am I?  Magic Rat   Apr-28-04 10:45 AM   #15 
  - You like calling people that name,...a lot,...huh!  Just Me   Apr-28-04 10:48 AM   #18 
  - I would guess from your post that you are well beyond draft age.  Bandit   Apr-28-04 11:00 AM   #22 
     - I'm 25  Magic Rat   Apr-28-04 11:03 AM   #23 
     - Good point....  rinsd   Apr-28-04 02:33 PM   #33 
  - I like the idea, actually  northzax   Apr-28-04 10:47 AM   #17 
  - I understand your points. My objection is lack of freedom.  info being   Apr-28-04 11:09 AM   #24 
  - we're not taking people's freedom away  northzax   Apr-28-04 01:07 PM   #29 
     - Of course you realize how ridiculous that argument is.  info being   Apr-28-04 02:18 PM   #31 
     - what, that there is a universal price for citizenship?  northzax   Apr-28-04 02:37 PM   #35 
        - Dude, the ends doesn't always justify the means  info being   Apr-28-04 04:36 PM   #39 
        - sure you can  northzax   Apr-29-04 11:48 AM   #52 
           - not true  Kellanved   Apr-30-04 04:26 PM   #61 
        - I thought the universal price was taxes.  nodehopper   Apr-30-04 02:45 PM   #58 
     - Hey it will be just like Starship Troopers.  FeebMaster   Apr-28-04 02:50 PM   #36 
     - No offense....  rinsd   Apr-28-04 05:03 PM   #41 
        - yup. If you can't be bothered to be a part of society  northzax   Apr-29-04 11:38 AM   #51 
           - WHOA, what's with the german/japanese ad hominims?  nodehopper   Apr-30-04 02:48 PM   #59 
  - You don't need a draft to keep youth "off the street" a good job will do.  Barkley   Apr-28-04 11:33 AM   #25 
     - are you going to make them take those good jobs?  northzax   Apr-28-04 01:08 PM   #30 
        - its already available. why make it mandatory?  info being   Apr-28-04 02:19 PM   #32 
        - Actually, you articulate precisely the reasons why civil service,...  Just Me   Apr-28-04 04:49 PM   #40 
        - I don't see the military draft as social policy tool.  Barkley   Apr-28-04 09:42 PM   #44 
           - you'll note that I specified  northzax   Apr-29-04 11:30 AM   #50 
              - I still don't like "compulsory community service" because  Barkley   Apr-30-04 02:17 PM   #56 
              - Forcing our youth into conscription can become flawed and abused.  icymist   Apr-30-04 04:18 PM   #60 
  - Here's something I posted in editorials - let's see how it flies here:  Snow   Apr-28-04 12:06 PM   #26 
  - Yeah,...I like that "new branch of service".  Just Me   Apr-28-04 12:13 PM   #27 
  - I really don't like the Democrats pushing this...  loudsue   Apr-28-04 02:34 PM   #34 
  - I am glad that the draft is being pushed, no matter who does it!  Rebellious Republican   Apr-28-04 05:19 PM   #42 
  - I'm sad than any Democrat wants to reinstate the draft.  robcon   Apr-28-04 05:42 PM   #43 
  - i think he is doing the same as rangel  Christ was Socialist   Apr-30-04 02:27 PM   #57 
  - Support HR 487  nonkultur   Apr-28-04 11:13 PM   #45 
  - I find it...  Scooter24   Apr-29-04 02:45 AM   #49 
  - Before we institute a draft  Liberal Gramma   Apr-28-04 11:33 PM   #46 
  - Everybody is taking McDermott seriously...  Bigmack   Apr-29-04 02:28 AM   #47 
  - I agree with those on this thread who think it is a big mistake for Dems  Mayberry Machiavelli   Apr-29-04 11:50 AM   #53 
     - Sorry , but I disagree MM  Rebellious Republican   Apr-29-04 11:01 PM   #54 
 

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