northzax
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Wed Apr-28-04 10:47 AM
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| 17. I like the idea, actually |
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and have long been a supporter of mandatory nationa service (before you ask, yes, I spent two years in Americorps) I believe that making all young people spend two years, or even one year, doing something in the service of the nation will do nothing but help the next generation build a spirit of community and national identity.
Let me expound on several reasons this will help:
1: it is the great leveler, there is no way out. Everyone, from a Bush to a Chavez, will spend time together. We will all have a common experience of some sort to build on. The children of the idle rich will have something in common with the children of sharecroppers and migrant labourer, and the children of lawyers and dentists.
2: it will give momentum to those people unfortunate enough to have started life in less than fortunate circumstances, the urban and rural poor especially. Too many young men and women have no incentive or drive to leave toxic neighborhoods and dedicate themselves to something.
3: It will help develop a generation that has spent time in the service of others, something too few people do today.
4: it will keep young men and women 'off the streets' and provide alternatives to negative lifestyles, be they running with a gang or blowing a trust fund on fine living.
5: it would provide a perfect opportunity for a 'clean start' for young people who had problems (perhaps legal or other) while teenagers, if you complete your national service honorably, we can wipethe slate and allow you to enter adulthood as a fully functioning member of society.
The first alternative would be military, but I see no real problem with providing alternatives such as Americorps or other civil service alternatives. In fact, I would love to see any real objections people have to this idea, and the reasonsings behind those objections.
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| -McDermott plays risky draft game |
icymist |
Apr-28-04 10:16 AM |
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Is this the same McDermott... |
russian33 |
Apr-28-04 10:18 AM |
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The same |
Freddie Stubbs |
Apr-28-04 12:45 PM |
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whats up with these idiots trying to bring back the draft |
a560 |
Apr-28-04 10:19 AM |
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I guess it boils down to "What's more important?" |
denverbill |
Apr-28-04 10:23 AM |
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if you draft there will never be an end to US troops policing the world |
a560 |
Apr-28-04 10:25 AM |
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Yeah? And how long before Joe Freeper starts voting for peaceniks? |
denverbill |
Apr-28-04 10:49 AM |
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but the logic is circular |
ButterflyBlood |
Apr-28-04 03:13 PM |
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Oh,...I see their tactic now. |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 10:26 AM |
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I don't agree with it either. But I can understand it. |
denverbill |
Apr-28-04 10:53 AM |
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I disagree |
Lefty_the_Right |
Apr-28-04 10:28 AM |
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Apr-28-04 10:42 AM |
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Who's a "fucking retard"? |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 10:46 AM |
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Maybe not, but I think it's a "put up or shut up" ploy, really. |
calimary |
Apr-28-04 02:51 PM |
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I don't mind at all the notion of civil service,... |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 10:24 AM |
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The only problem |
Scooter24 |
Apr-29-04 02:36 AM |
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Here it is... |
demdave |
Apr-28-04 10:26 AM |
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So where does "Don't ask, don't tell" fit into all this? |
Sunny_Sunshine |
Apr-28-04 10:49 AM |
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What is "and for other purposes" |
liburl |
Apr-29-04 11:26 PM |
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I think it might be because |
Christ was Socialist |
Apr-28-04 10:26 AM |
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Dr. Jim |
Jeezwhiz |
Apr-28-04 10:28 AM |
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I saw Hagel on the news saying the exact same thing |
Bandit |
Apr-28-04 10:35 AM |
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good...i hope there's a draft |
Magic Rat |
Apr-28-04 10:37 AM |
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Apr-28-04 10:43 AM |
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i know you are, but what am I? |
Magic Rat |
Apr-28-04 10:45 AM |
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You like calling people that name,...a lot,...huh! |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 10:48 AM |
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I would guess from your post that you are well beyond draft age. |
Bandit |
Apr-28-04 11:00 AM |
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I'm 25 |
Magic Rat |
Apr-28-04 11:03 AM |
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Good point.... |
rinsd |
Apr-28-04 02:33 PM |
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I like the idea, actually |
northzax |
Apr-28-04 10:47 AM |
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I understand your points. My objection is lack of freedom. |
info being |
Apr-28-04 11:09 AM |
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we're not taking people's freedom away |
northzax |
Apr-28-04 01:07 PM |
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Of course you realize how ridiculous that argument is. |
info being |
Apr-28-04 02:18 PM |
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what, that there is a universal price for citizenship? |
northzax |
Apr-28-04 02:37 PM |
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Dude, the ends doesn't always justify the means |
info being |
Apr-28-04 04:36 PM |
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sure you can |
northzax |
Apr-29-04 11:48 AM |
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not true |
Kellanved |
Apr-30-04 04:26 PM |
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I thought the universal price was taxes. |
nodehopper |
Apr-30-04 02:45 PM |
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Hey it will be just like Starship Troopers. |
FeebMaster |
Apr-28-04 02:50 PM |
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No offense.... |
rinsd |
Apr-28-04 05:03 PM |
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yup. If you can't be bothered to be a part of society |
northzax |
Apr-29-04 11:38 AM |
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WHOA, what's with the german/japanese ad hominims? |
nodehopper |
Apr-30-04 02:48 PM |
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You don't need a draft to keep youth "off the street" a good job will do. |
Barkley |
Apr-28-04 11:33 AM |
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are you going to make them take those good jobs? |
northzax |
Apr-28-04 01:08 PM |
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its already available. why make it mandatory? |
info being |
Apr-28-04 02:19 PM |
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Actually, you articulate precisely the reasons why civil service,... |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 04:49 PM |
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I don't see the military draft as social policy tool. |
Barkley |
Apr-28-04 09:42 PM |
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you'll note that I specified |
northzax |
Apr-29-04 11:30 AM |
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I still don't like "compulsory community service" because |
Barkley |
Apr-30-04 02:17 PM |
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Forcing our youth into conscription can become flawed and abused. |
icymist |
Apr-30-04 04:18 PM |
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Here's something I posted in editorials - let's see how it flies here: |
Snow |
Apr-28-04 12:06 PM |
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Yeah,...I like that "new branch of service". |
Just Me |
Apr-28-04 12:13 PM |
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I really don't like the Democrats pushing this... |
loudsue |
Apr-28-04 02:34 PM |
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I am glad that the draft is being pushed, no matter who does it! |
Rebellious Republican |
Apr-28-04 05:19 PM |
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I'm sad than any Democrat wants to reinstate the draft. |
robcon |
Apr-28-04 05:42 PM |
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i think he is doing the same as rangel |
Christ was Socialist |
Apr-30-04 02:27 PM |
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Support HR 487 |
nonkultur |
Apr-28-04 11:13 PM |
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I find it... |
Scooter24 |
Apr-29-04 02:45 AM |
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Before we institute a draft |
Liberal Gramma |
Apr-28-04 11:33 PM |
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Everybody is taking McDermott seriously... |
Bigmack |
Apr-29-04 02:28 AM |
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I agree with those on this thread who think it is a big mistake for Dems |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Apr-29-04 11:50 AM |
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Sorry , but I disagree MM |
Rebellious Republican |
Apr-29-04 11:01 PM |
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