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Fri Dec-09-11 03:02 PM
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A discussion forum is not about "getting involved." It is about spreading memes and the memes you seem to attach to tend to be anti-OWS. There is absolutely no way that LAW and Order was going to contribute a positive OWS story, particularly with their Special Victims Unit.
But let's think more about the theoretical nature of the show. It is yet another in a long list of crime shows that: Deals primarily with street crime or violent crime (rather than white collar crime). It suggests the police do not really arrest the wrong person, and when they do it is all cleared up within an hour. It suggests that the DA usually only prosecutes guilty people, and if they don't it is, again, cleared up within an hour.
And that is the typical of the regular show. SVU is all sex offense, all the time. I don't know how this is a "mirror" to the OWS movement as it has nothing to do with what the cause is. It has nothing to do with even the primary cause of injury or hospitalization of the people protesting. It isn't a damned mirror at all unless someone gets most of their information from Fox News. If the only story you are willing to tell about a massive, national, committed movement, is about a rape that takes place then it really isn't much of a story at all.
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| -Occupy Wall Street protesters shut down 'Law & Order: SVU' set depicting OWS |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-09-11 01:57 AM |
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Man.... |
FirstLight |
Dec-09-11 02:09 AM |
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? |
Roy Rolling |
Dec-09-11 11:22 AM |
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their "ripped from the headlines" business model illustrates |
SemperEadem |
Dec-09-11 01:10 PM |
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I agree. They tend to do the abnormal and more unrealistic that for the most part are rare events. |
LiberalFighter |
Dec-09-11 03:11 PM |
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What it WILL do is almost certainly guarantee that OWS will not be |
RaleighNCDUer |
Dec-09-11 05:02 PM |
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Because that was ever an option? |
quakerboy |
Dec-09-11 11:56 PM |
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Awesome! |
Edweird |
Dec-09-11 02:13 AM |
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"Odd" isn't the word. |
Smarmie Doofus |
Dec-09-11 02:14 AM |
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Just wait another 20 years |
deutsey |
Dec-09-11 07:10 AM |
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The |
Turbineguy |
Dec-09-11 12:23 PM |
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Not so odd . . . |
janet118 |
Dec-09-11 10:13 AM |
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Or what about Dirty Harry, the ultimate revenge fantasy of the silent majority |
Lars77 |
Dec-09-11 12:34 PM |
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Actually, the Dirty Harry killer in the original |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-11 08:36 PM |
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Dragnet Blue Blue episode comes to mind |
Seedersandleechers |
Dec-09-11 05:26 PM |
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I think they confused the characters, many of them looked more |
dmr |
Dec-09-11 07:49 PM |
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The "Blue Boy" looks like a Cal fan |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-11 08:38 PM |
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+1. I remember. n/t |
Smarmie Doofus |
Dec-09-11 06:53 PM |
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It is odd they'd go against Law & Order SVU |
DissedByBush |
Dec-09-11 11:46 PM |
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the "they" used twice in his sentence are two sets of people. |
Matariki |
Dec-09-11 10:18 AM |
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Good for them. Where was Bloomberg when those tents |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-09-11 02:17 AM |
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+1 Bloomberg is turd. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 08:48 AM |
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Excellent! |
Sherman A1 |
Dec-09-11 02:55 AM |
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I don't think there is much to wonder about. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 08:51 AM |
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Law and Order attempted to do the RNC 2004 debacle in one of their episodes |
Downtown Hound |
Dec-09-11 12:08 PM |
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Plus recently, SVU lets the Corporate Scientists get their message across. |
truedelphi |
Dec-09-11 04:49 PM |
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Hurray! One thing OWS does not need is an SVU plot. |
caseymoz |
Dec-09-11 03:19 AM |
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That was my first thought. n/t |
ObaMania |
Dec-09-11 03:46 AM |
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You know, I've had second thoughts about this. |
caseymoz |
Dec-09-11 01:07 PM |
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I have found that the law and order franchise has a pro-corporate agenda |
me b zola |
Dec-09-11 04:23 AM |
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They have also aired plenty of episodes about corrupt cops |
proud2BlibKansan |
Dec-09-11 06:28 AM |
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Corrupt cops is still government. |
caseymoz |
Dec-09-11 01:03 PM |
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Good question. Why not do a segment on the near murders |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-09-11 02:17 PM |
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My experience differs, re: corporate agenda. |
elleng |
Dec-09-11 02:32 PM |
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Those 100 patriots of the highest order, chose very wisely where to invest their energy & $$. ~nt |
99th_Monkey |
Dec-09-11 03:51 AM |
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Everyone go to link |
me b zola |
Dec-09-11 04:16 AM |
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39% approve of OWS' actions. 61% say they are interrupting |
Ilsa |
Dec-09-11 06:29 AM |
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Online polls are sooooooo meaningful. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 08:53 AM |
#49 |
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Artistic Expresson? |
sulphurdunn |
Dec-09-11 11:24 AM |
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Artistic cockcheese. |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:28 PM |
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If you want to talk about "disruption" . . . |
markpkessinger |
Dec-09-11 05:59 PM |
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So much for free speech. |
Quartermass |
Dec-09-11 04:24 AM |
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For corporations? n/t |
Wilms |
Dec-09-11 04:43 AM |
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But but but,,,,corporations are people!!11!! |
peace frog |
Dec-09-11 05:03 AM |
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Corporations are people too. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-09-11 11:38 AM |
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We are Dealing with It |
fascisthunter |
Dec-09-11 12:46 PM |
#133 |
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What? |
Callisto32 |
Dec-09-11 02:25 PM |
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If not the corporations, how about the writer and director? |
caseymoz |
Dec-09-11 02:31 PM |
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What utter nonsense. |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:27 PM |
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Free speech? You know, exactly OWS' argument with the cities over their camps? |
caseymoz |
Dec-09-11 05:22 PM |
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LOL! |
lunatica |
Dec-09-11 04:46 AM |
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Besides which, something that DEPENDS upon exploitation isn't free anything in the first place. |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 08:59 AM |
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you're being vague |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-09-11 05:25 AM |
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(facepalm) with a side of (headdesk) |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-09-11 08:08 AM |
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Michael Moore forms corporations to make his movies |
AngryAmish |
Dec-09-11 08:17 AM |
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Which legitimate movements does Moore discredit through fictionalization again? |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:11 AM |
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Who decides which are legitimate movements? |
AngryAmish |
Dec-09-11 09:42 AM |
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Ya know there is a very easy solution to your lament. |
Vinnie From Indy |
Dec-09-11 11:01 AM |
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"Here we go." |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 08:55 AM |
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OWS freed them from their dependence upon exploitation. They are now free to PAY for making a profit |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 09:03 AM |
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Nice try. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Dec-09-11 09:10 AM |
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dupe |
SammyWinstonJack |
Dec-09-11 09:10 AM |
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Considering no government entities are involved on either side, not sure what your point would be. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-09-11 10:20 AM |
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So OWS Isn't Good Enough for the News, but It's Okay as Mind Candy Pretext? |
Demeter |
Dec-09-11 04:47 AM |
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I'm not conflicted at all since Law & Order is not a news show |
lunatica |
Dec-09-11 04:54 AM |
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Here's the dilemma |
Demeter |
Dec-09-11 04:56 AM |
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It's a show about sexual predators and victims |
lunatica |
Dec-09-11 05:10 AM |
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And you know the plot would have involved a sexual assault |
proud2BlibKansan |
Dec-09-11 06:50 AM |
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How do we know that? |
MadrasT |
Dec-09-11 10:49 AM |
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Because I've watched the show since it first came on the air |
proud2BlibKansan |
Dec-09-11 11:07 AM |
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Yeah, I'm with you. On the other hand... |
Owlet |
Dec-09-11 05:42 AM |
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Witty yet inaccurate as it is dated as hell |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-09-11 07:41 AM |
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Yeah, the Catholic Church was so thrilled about all kinds of publicity that |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:00 AM |
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"It's a fictionally based drama with writers and actors and sets and scripts. " |
KansDem |
Dec-09-11 09:39 AM |
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K&R Law and Order is |
unionworks |
Dec-09-11 05:20 AM |
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There is a poll on the link about whether you aprove of the OWS protester's actions. |
mucifer |
Dec-09-11 06:16 AM |
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YES! |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-09-11 06:17 AM |
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Amazing people - continue to amaze. |
geckosfeet |
Dec-09-11 06:27 AM |
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SUV |
kaffy4x4 |
Dec-09-11 06:33 AM |
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Hilarious. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 08:09 AM |
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Have you made a single post here about OWS that is not passive aggressive or negative? |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:04 AM |
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Yes, I have. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 09:09 AM |
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Actually, you could barely concede that had changed the national conversation SOME |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:17 AM |
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SVU is about sexual assault. |
Occulus |
Dec-09-11 09:09 AM |
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In oher words, the show mirrors reality. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 09:16 AM |
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Then get involved. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:18 AM |
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Then get involved. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:18 AM |
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I'm involved here. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 09:23 AM |
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No, I won't spread things that I believe are incorrect. And, by the way, posting does NOT |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:25 AM |
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I have as much right to say what I think OWS should be doing |
randome |
Dec-09-11 09:31 AM |
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And I have a right to say you have no right to shit on what OWS is doing every chance you get |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:38 AM |
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He is "too busy" to start his own movement. |
U4ikLefty |
Dec-09-11 02:17 PM |
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You mean stunts like that guy in Egypt |
DocMac |
Dec-09-11 10:24 AM |
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Nonsennse. |
kenfrequed |
Dec-09-11 03:02 PM |
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And that is how the media influences perceptions. |
zeemike |
Dec-09-11 11:09 AM |
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Based on the foundational premise of the show, it's a reasonable assumption to make. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-09-11 10:21 AM |
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Absolutely. |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:32 PM |
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TV Shows and Films made in the US |
Sedona |
Dec-09-11 07:23 AM |
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You've gotta be fucking kidding me! |
RevStPatrick |
Dec-09-11 07:41 AM |
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No, not kidding |
Roy Rolling |
Dec-09-11 07:53 AM |
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They don't do episodes about protesters being pepper sprayed. |
RevStPatrick |
Dec-09-11 08:01 AM |
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1+++ |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 08:48 AM |
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here's what is difficult to understand |
Roy Rolling |
Dec-09-11 09:20 AM |
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"Law and Order" is not a strong advocate of the First Amendment, they've openly trashed it |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-09-11 10:21 AM |
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"I have not ever watched even ONE episode of this despicable show" |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:31 PM |
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How do you know they didn't know what the episode was about? |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:09 AM |
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As a Union member, I completely agree, Rev. |
dotymed |
Dec-09-11 08:01 AM |
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Yes, rape = "fear propaganda" |
WildEyedLiberal |
Dec-09-11 12:27 PM |
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I'm really not sure what you mean by that. |
RevStPatrick |
Dec-09-11 01:54 PM |
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It's fear propaganda when you compare the % of violent crime; murder, rape robbery programs |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-09-11 03:01 PM |
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As a long term professional in those Unions allow me to calm |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-09-11 07:54 AM |
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workers |
Eljo_Don |
Dec-09-11 08:11 AM |
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Another, "OWS is wrong on this ONE" post. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:05 AM |
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Bingo. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-09-11 05:26 PM |
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Exploitation NO...Good PR YES |
Roy Rolling |
Dec-09-11 07:49 AM |
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That is not the kind of story SVU does. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:20 AM |
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Good! I bet they were making an episode with an OWSer being the rapist! |
Odin2005 |
Dec-09-11 07:54 AM |
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Or they MIGHT have been. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 08:12 AM |
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best not to ever give OWS credit for anything, even possibly knowing the plot of the |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:22 AM |
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Even knowing the plot doesn't excuse spending time shutting down a studio. |
randome |
Dec-09-11 09:25 AM |
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Who has OWS put out of work? What have you invested in OWS that you shit on it |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:41 AM |
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So you think the producers won't follow through and do the episode they want? |
snooper2 |
Dec-09-11 01:08 PM |
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When will people unerstand that privilege isn't "free speech" because it DEPENDS upon weakness. |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 08:42 AM |
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Ergo, OWS's show of strength LIBERATED Law and Order SVU. |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 08:44 AM |
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"We are not part of corporate TV America." nt |
Zorra |
Dec-09-11 08:55 AM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:26 AM |
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hehehe |
SammyWinstonJack |
Dec-09-11 09:06 AM |
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Badly written news article. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 09:12 AM |
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OWS = Fail |
rethymnon |
Dec-09-11 09:21 AM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:27 AM |
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yes, the OWS ONLY brought income disparity and economic equity into mainstream discussion for |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-09-11 09:32 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-09-11 10:46 AM |
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voting will not make ANY difference whatsoever unless you change the political discussion |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-09-11 10:56 AM |
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You couldn't possibly be more transparent. |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 09:55 AM |
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And in 3, 2, .... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-09-11 10:22 AM |
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At first glance it appears that it may be too stupid to succeed = a bot, you think? nt |
patrice |
Dec-09-11 10:30 AM |
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It takes some effort to get on my ignore list. |
DocMac |
Dec-09-11 10:39 AM |
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I think you are dead wrong! |
Vinnie From Indy |
Dec-09-11 11:04 AM |
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"If you want change, elect more democrats" |
AZ Progressive |
Dec-09-11 11:13 AM |
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You will do well on DU3 |
U4ikLefty |
Dec-09-11 02:25 PM |
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La la la la.... |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:34 PM |
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What good has electing more Democrats done for us? |
Bjorn Against |
Dec-09-11 05:58 PM |
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Turn down free advertising |
vminfla |
Dec-09-11 09:31 AM |
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Yes, that would have been better. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 09:35 AM |
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It would have been useless. God made post production for things like that. |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:45 AM |
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Yeah, I misread. I thought the poster meant news coverage, not the actual TV show. NT |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 09:58 AM |
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Smarter? LOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-09-11 09:44 AM |
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It's smarter to get your message across than to provide a camera crew with shrillish screaming |
vminfla |
Dec-09-11 04:08 PM |
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I suspect the editing room would have been able to circumvent that. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-09-11 10:22 AM |
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Now the editing room has hours of shrillish yelling to work with |
vminfla |
Dec-09-11 01:14 PM |
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Gothamist was there. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 09:37 AM |
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But you see |
Quartermass |
Dec-09-11 09:52 AM |
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Did the plot depict OWS in a largely positive way? |
Akoto |
Dec-09-11 10:15 AM |
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The episode hasn't aired. The protesters haven't seen the script. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 10:19 AM |
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NY Times article |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 10:17 AM |
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Aside from anything else, they were distorting OWS's message |
starroute |
Dec-09-11 10:24 AM |
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Putting unionized media production people out of work and stifling free speech is FUN! |
slackmaster |
Dec-09-11 10:25 AM |
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Did you see the post above? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-09-11 12:22 PM |
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That's fucked up like a football bat |
slackmaster |
Dec-09-11 12:25 PM |
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Awesome!! |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Dec-09-11 10:26 AM |
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If the episode were written in a way to be sympathetic to the movement, then I don't |
totodeinhere |
Dec-09-11 10:28 AM |
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K/R KICK |
defendandprotect |
Dec-09-11 11:07 AM |
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Good. I'm glad they are finally stopping corporate media from portraying them negatively... |
Modern_Matthew |
Dec-09-11 11:09 AM |
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Naomi Wolf had some suggestions this morning on how OWS should handle this |
mmonk |
Dec-09-11 11:11 AM |
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Hmmm, dialogue. Now THAT is a brilliant idea. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-09-11 01:18 PM |
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Not according to many here |
nobodyspecial |
Dec-09-11 11:56 PM |
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I cannot condone this. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-09-11 11:39 AM |
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It's not violence. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 01:33 PM |
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Setting the cudgel of the state over someoness head like the sword of Damacles isn't violent? |
Callisto32 |
Dec-09-11 02:32 PM |
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RIGHT ON! |
robinlynne |
Dec-09-11 11:58 AM |
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yeah but some of the comments are from brain dead people |
PatrynXX |
Dec-09-11 12:08 PM |
#125 |
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Seems like an overreaction to me, but it was the city that pulled the permit, not OWS. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-09-11 12:11 PM |
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K & Effing R |
malaise |
Dec-09-11 12:34 PM |
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Oh no... they disrupted people's entertainment.... |
fascisthunter |
Dec-09-11 12:49 PM |
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The episode will probably still air. |
Eric J in MN |
Dec-09-11 01:35 PM |
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so no harm at all |
fascisthunter |
Dec-09-11 08:24 PM |
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(continued) |
unionworks |
Dec-09-11 02:51 PM |
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good |
fascisthunter |
Dec-09-11 08:25 PM |
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On this I disagree - I used to watch this program regularly and they |
jwirr |
Dec-09-11 01:20 PM |
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Awesome is right! |
moondust |
Dec-09-11 01:24 PM |
#142 |
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K&R |
mvd |
Dec-09-11 02:13 PM |
#146 |
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Get a grip people, it's a TV SHOW!!!! |
RollWithIt |
Dec-09-11 02:22 PM |
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Law and order |
unionworks |
Dec-09-11 02:49 PM |
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"made up of union members who greatly sympathize with the OWS movement." |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:37 PM |
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Wait, I thought putting up tents in public parks was illegal. |
blackspade |
Dec-09-11 03:03 PM |
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Real tents - or just stunt-double tents? TV & Movie shoots |
24601 |
Dec-09-11 06:41 PM |
#178 |
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You obviously know nothing about the OWS movement. |
blackspade |
Dec-09-11 10:23 PM |
#185 |
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Wrong |
24601 |
Dec-09-11 10:43 PM |
#186 |
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Hooray |
DonCoquixote |
Dec-09-11 03:15 PM |
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OWS not for the purpose of entertainment |
katty |
Dec-09-11 03:33 PM |
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Bang on. |
sibelian |
Dec-09-11 04:38 PM |
#170 |
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This is not a free speech issue... |
Modern_Matthew |
Dec-09-11 05:24 PM |
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Wonder if Law & Order will write the demonstration into the episode? |
lynne |
Dec-10-11 01:08 AM |
#190 |