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Bogart Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #92
97. I agree with your premise that a responsible society must have the means to protect children
from irresponsible parents. However, a wise policy should focus on the irresponsible behavior of the few, rather than casting a net of control over everyone.

If protecting the rights of parents from the transgressions of pharmaceutical companies and states is something that you classify as "libertarian," so be it.
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  -Obama agrees with Sebelius on decision to limit morning-after pill Freddie Stubbs  Dec-08-11 12:07 PM   #0 
  - An adverse effect -- as opposed to a preganancy, you mean?  rocktivity   Dec-08-11 12:08 PM   #1 
  - Apparently  Harmony Blue   Dec-08-11 12:17 PM   #9 
  - But are they in touch with what voters want?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 12:20 PM   #11 
     - They are in touch with dodging an issue that would drive right-wing voters to the polls.  Lance_Boyle   Dec-08-11 02:02 PM   #44 
     - Left-wing voters don't have anywhere to go, and Obama knows it  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 02:18 PM   #45 
     - Agreed. But it's not 'voters in the middle' who  Lance_Boyle   Dec-08-11 02:53 PM   #48 
     - Wanna bet?  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 09:18 AM   #69 
     - Not going to happen. People are smart enough to remember what happened in 2000  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-11 10:20 AM   #75 
        - But that wasn't your claim, was it?  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 10:33 AM   #77 
           - Fine, but they aren't going to go there  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-11 12:32 PM   #80 
     - No place to go - as in there ain't nobody worth voting for, so  24601   Dec-10-11 11:04 PM   #102 
     - I think it was a very wise decision. n/t.  okieinpain   Dec-09-11 03:42 PM   #85 
     - I'm guessing that, if polled in 1840,  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 09:21 AM   #70 
        - So, you are equating children having to get a doctor's prescription with slavery?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-11 10:21 AM   #76 
           - Is there something about inalieable rights  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 10:35 AM   #78 
              - When did access to the morning-after pill for kids w/o a prescription become an inalienable right?  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-09-11 12:34 PM   #81 
                 - Roe v. Wade. 1973  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 03:12 PM   #84 
  - fuck obama. coward. bastard. all the unwanted babies. more change to believe in  roguevalley   Dec-08-11 01:53 PM   #43 
  - So he would rather his daughters become pregnant than use a safe drug to prevent it? What a TOOL  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:10 PM   #2 
  - I may be a concern troll but do you really trust the for profit pharmaceutical industry  alp227   Dec-08-11 12:14 PM   #4 
  - The industry and the government both said this is safe and effective. This is a POLITICAL decision.  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:20 PM   #12 
     - Safe and effective when used properly. I think the concern here is that  hedgehog   Dec-08-11 12:22 PM   #16 
     - Your concern is noted. I believe the concern was that of BO trying like a jilted lover to get the  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:27 PM   #19 
     - Tylenol will kill you if used improperly, and it's very easy to use improperly  jeff47   Dec-08-11 01:11 PM   #33 
     - Am I supposed to believe  xxqqqzme   Dec-08-11 07:57 PM   #58 
     - Thank you Vincardog  Carolina   Dec-08-11 12:23 PM   #17 
  - I suppose that he or Michelle would take their daughter to a doctor and get an Rx  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 12:16 PM   #8 
  - I suspect most of the young women  Betty   Dec-08-11 12:14 PM   #3 
  - Can anyone here guarantee that a 10 year old understands how to  hedgehog   Dec-08-11 12:15 PM   #5 
  - There is no guarantee an 18 year old can understand  Harmony Blue   Dec-08-11 12:18 PM   #10 
  - The law has to be written to cover the majority of cases, not the extremes.  hedgehog   Dec-08-11 12:21 PM   #13 
  - No but we set certain limits  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:21 PM   #15 
  - sometimes some of the arguments on du are a little crazy. it's like  okieinpain   Dec-09-11 03:46 PM   #86 
  - You put it in your mouth and swallow, is that too difficult for people where you come from?  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:21 PM   #14 
  - How many of em?  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:24 PM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-11 12:31 PM   #20 
     - No not really  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:41 PM   #25 
        - a kid that's 10, 11 or 12 who's just been assaulted by a "friend" in school should report to the  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:46 PM   #27 
           - There ya go  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:54 PM   #28 
              - So you are defending BO's POLITICAL decision because of concern that "just a few extra Plan B pills  Vincardog   Dec-08-11 12:59 PM   #31 
                 - I'm sorry  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 01:01 PM   #32 
     - You could say the same thing about aspirin.  thesquanderer   Dec-08-11 12:38 PM   #24 
        - True  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:57 PM   #30 
  - You are so out of touch  Harmony Blue   Dec-08-11 12:35 PM   #22 
  - Can you guarantee that a 10 year old understand how to use Tylenol?  jeff47   Dec-08-11 01:15 PM   #34 
  - Right! They could choke on the water when they swallow it!  Divernan   Dec-08-11 01:20 PM   #36 
  - Bummer. I just emailed the White House via Feminist Majority`  alp227   Dec-08-11 12:15 PM   #6 
  - How?  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 09:28 AM   #71 
  - Has the drug been tested on pediatric populations?  sharp_stick   Dec-08-11 12:16 PM   #7 
  - Yes, the drug maker tested it on a group of 11 to 16 year olds.  jeff47   Dec-08-11 01:19 PM   #35 
     - Exactly  Harmony Blue   Dec-08-11 02:22 PM   #47 
     - Where/how did they find this many test subjects?!  FloriTexan   Dec-08-11 04:42 PM   #50 
        - One can test the safety without testing it's birth control efficacy.  jeff47   Dec-09-11 01:06 PM   #83 
  - This is the old republican/fundamentalist attitude.  Jakes Progress   Dec-08-11 12:34 PM   #21 
  - You still can't get the pill without a prescription  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 12:37 PM   #23 
  - You don't know the difference between a prescription requirement & an age restriction? Sheesh!  Divernan   Dec-08-11 01:27 PM   #39 
  - I'm quite aware of the difference  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-08-11 01:52 PM   #42 
  - And just what does that have to do with my post?  Jakes Progress   Dec-08-11 09:27 PM   #61 
     - ***crickets***  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-08-11 09:52 PM   #62 
        - . . .  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 09:30 AM   #72 
           - Before you ask. Yes I'm a disgusting person.  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-09-11 09:34 AM   #74 
  - The establishment sucks, period.  krabigirl   Dec-09-11 10:45 AM   #79 
  - I suspected as much.  Lance_Boyle   Dec-08-11 12:43 PM   #26 
  - more in depth article by Washington Post  alp227   Dec-08-11 12:56 PM   #29 
  - "separation of government and state" - methinks you have a typo. (nt)  jeff47   Dec-08-11 01:20 PM   #37 
     - fixed  alp227   Dec-08-11 01:23 PM   #38 
  - I agree with the decision too. n/t  deacon   Dec-08-11 01:27 PM   #40 
  - "We, the undersigned, pledge to break the law by giving our Morning After Pill..  Shoe Horn   Dec-08-11 01:30 PM   #41 
  - Ugh.  progressoid   Dec-08-11 02:21 PM   #46 
  - I believe this could be abused by some minors...  FloriTexan   Dec-08-11 03:18 PM   #49 
  - But then sometimes it's the parent that's responsible for the pregnancy in the first place..  Fumesucker   Dec-08-11 05:12 PM   #51 
     - That's another problem altogether.  FloriTexan   Dec-08-11 05:34 PM   #53 
     - Two words..  Fumesucker   Dec-08-11 06:00 PM   #54 
     - Nothing says that a parent has to buy it for them  loyalsister   Dec-10-11 10:54 PM   #101 
  - I cannot take an adult dosage of Tylenol  HockeyMom   Dec-08-11 05:31 PM   #52 
  - Common sense prevails...  Bogart   Dec-08-11 06:19 PM   #55 
  - you need to meet some teens who are pregnant with no skills, no hs diplomas  wordpix   Dec-08-11 06:39 PM   #56 
     - I have yet to hear anyone make a logical argument for governments to sweep away parental rights  Bogart   Dec-08-11 07:15 PM   #57 
        - Welcome to DU..  Fumesucker   Dec-08-11 08:50 PM   #59 
        - bertriebene auf den Punkt zu machen  Bogart   Dec-09-11 08:40 AM   #67 
           - Ja, genau.  Fumesucker   Dec-09-11 09:05 AM   #68 
        - parental rights I'm for but some parents don't act responsibly--cases in point:  wordpix   Dec-08-11 09:08 PM   #60 
        - "If Plan B is safe, put it on the shelf."  Bogart   Dec-09-11 08:33 AM   #65 
           - OK, YOU pay for the kids born to irresponsible teenage girls living with irresponsible parents  wordpix   Dec-09-11 07:47 PM   #94 
        - hyperbole, much? We're talking about a safe drug & you bring up Nazi Germany?  wordpix   Dec-08-11 09:52 PM   #63 
        - Sometimes it is necessary to exaggerate to make a point.  Bogart   Dec-09-11 08:37 AM   #66 
           - however, in this case it makes your argument look ridiculous  wordpix   Dec-09-11 07:40 PM   #93 
        - Parent's rights only extend as far as it doesn't endanger their child's health and welfare....  Humanist_Activist   Dec-09-11 03:56 PM   #88 
           - Indeed, I exaggerated. However, the state and Teva Pharmaceuticals do not have the right  Bogart   Dec-09-11 04:32 PM   #89 
              - What rights are those, the right to deny their child health care? The right to violate their...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-09-11 04:37 PM   #90 
                 - As minors, by law, children do not have the autonomy, or the right  Bogart   Dec-09-11 05:44 PM   #91 
                    - Statist, what are you, a dumbass Libertarian?  Humanist_Activist   Dec-09-11 05:55 PM   #92 
                    - I agree with your premise that a responsible society must have the means to protect children  Bogart   Dec-10-11 08:43 AM   #97 
                       - "a wise policy should focus on the irresponsible behavior of the few"  Occulus   Dec-10-11 08:54 AM   #98 
                       - How is it supposed to focus on the few, we aren't psychic...  Humanist_Activist   Dec-10-11 04:15 PM   #100 
                    - "children do not have the intelligence, experience..." & therefore they must bear children?  wordpix   Dec-09-11 07:51 PM   #95 
                       - "Or, the newly pregnant girl is free to get Plan B, a safe, FDA approved drug, off the shelf."  Bogart   Dec-10-11 08:54 AM   #99 
                          - you're concerned with the cost of an over the counter drug but not of supporting a child for 18 yrs?  wordpix   Dec-11-11 04:05 PM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-08-11 11:23 PM   #64 
  - . . .  Le Taz Hot   Dec-09-11 09:34 AM   #73 
  - God-fucking-dammit!!! When will this guy get a clue...  truebrit71   Dec-09-11 12:50 PM   #82 
  - Is he entering the repuke primary?!  KamaAina   Dec-09-11 03:52 PM   #87 
  - Awful. This will create more unintended pregnancy and nothing more.  BlueIris   Dec-09-11 11:59 PM   #96 
  - As a dude, the prez should  femrap   Dec-11-11 11:55 PM   #104 
     - unfortunately, it's the men in positions of power - just look at the presidents, Congress  wordpix   Dec-12-11 09:03 PM   #105 
        - Did you know that OWS  femrap   Dec-12-11 09:36 PM   #106 
 

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