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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:45 PM
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25. Part Of The Problem There, Ma'am, Is That Sharia Is The Germ Of Constitutionalism In Those Societies
In our society, Common Law is the basis for the view that the government itself is constrained by law, that the old maxim "Rex est lex loquens" does not hold, and that there is a law beyond the sovereign to which the sovereign and its enactments can be held, and by which the sovereign and its enactments can be judged. In the history of Islamic societies, it has been Sharia that has provided the germ of this idea, that there is a law beyond that of a sovereign, to which the sovereign and its enactments must be held, and by which these ought to be judged. This was an emerging check on autocracy in the Ottoman imperium and in other Moslem realms during the late Medieval and early modern periods. How the thing might have developed absent the eventual subjugation of most Islamic lands by the West is a matter for speculation only, like any counter-factual, but there is certainly reason to suppose it might have taken the same course as the struggles that eventually established constitutional principals out of Common Law in our own society did. The fact of having been subject to foreign rule that suplanted native codes complicates the matter even further. To many Moslems, Sharia represents both the assertion of a right to resist autocracy and the re-assertion of positive independence from foreign control. Taken together these are a powerful combination in political and social life. The statement law is based on Sharia does not necessarily mean establishing a medieval regime. It is important to understand how things look to other people in assessing their actions, and comprehending what another's view of matters is, and pointing this out to people who are engaged in mere sloganering, is certainly not identical with agreeing with those actions and views. However, it must always be born in mind that people will do what seems right and best to them, unless constrained by force or fraud.

"A universal feeling, whether well or ill founded, can not be safely disregarded."
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  - New ideas  Roy Rolling   Dec-07-11 10:20 AM   #1 
  - This is a terrible story  canetoad   Dec-07-11 10:24 AM   #2 
  - 500 Hundred Lashes is NOT a death Sentence  happyslug   Dec-07-11 11:33 AM   #5 
     - I've always loved that principle: torture someone until they ALMOST die  riderinthestorm   Dec-07-11 01:11 PM   #9 
        - My point was NOT that lashing is not barbaric, but generally not fatal  happyslug   Dec-07-11 02:50 PM   #10 
           - 500 lashes "generally not fatal"?  red dog 1   Dec-07-11 09:39 PM   #12 
              - As I stated above, death is NOT the intention of such lashings  happyslug   Dec-07-11 11:04 PM   #13 
                 - Despite your research into lashings, it's quite possible that 500 lashings will be fatal  red dog 1   Dec-07-11 11:19 PM   #14 
                 - I never said it could not be, but I only pointed out death was NOT the intention.  happyslug   Dec-07-11 11:52 PM   #15 
                 - Are you writing for The Ministry of Truth?  CreekDog   Dec-08-11 07:14 PM   #22 
  - Just got off the phone with Amnesty International.  CBHagman   Dec-07-11 10:26 AM   #3 
  - Long over due for the "Royal" Family, to all get 500 lashes each...so they can feel what it's like.  SoapBox   Dec-07-11 10:27 AM   #4 
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  - Despicable. Wonder if any of those who defend sharia law will show up on this thread....  riderinthestorm   Dec-07-11 01:05 PM   #8 
  - Sharia is just like English Common Law..  Fumesucker   Dec-08-11 12:01 AM   #16 
     - Oh man, if I had a nickle for every time I've heard that on DU....  riderinthestorm   Dec-08-11 03:04 PM   #17 
     - Actually, Sir, Under Common Law, Blasphemy Was A Serious Offense, Punishable By life Inprisonment  The Magistrate   Dec-08-11 03:18 PM   #18 
        - Even in the colonies, being found guilty of religious blasphemy meant a fine  riderinthestorm   Dec-08-11 06:59 PM   #20 
           - Invoking The Inquisition, Ma'am, Is More In Support Of My Point Than Telling Against it  The Magistrate   Dec-08-11 07:14 PM   #23 
              - I object to ANY 21st century country instilling any religious law into their constitution.  riderinthestorm   Dec-08-11 07:47 PM   #24 
                 - Part Of The Problem There, Ma'am, Is That Sharia Is The Germ Of Constitutionalism In Those Societies  The Magistrate   Dec-08-11 11:45 PM   #25 
  - Can someone come on here  leftynyc   Dec-07-11 03:05 PM   #11 
  - How will the lashes be administered?  wpelb   Dec-08-11 03:42 PM   #19 
  - Here's a story from the Sydney Morning Herald.  CBHagman   Dec-08-11 07:12 PM   #21 
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  - If that country disappeared off the face of the earth  fujiyama   Dec-09-11 12:13 AM   #27 
 

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