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Wed Dec-07-11 02:19 AM
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| 106. Actually, both Obama and HRC put Reagan on their top ten U.S. Presidents ever list. |
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And, since most historians from both Parties, put Washington, Lincoln, FDR, and Truman on their lists, realitixally, they only had six slots to fill, realistically. And five for HRC, because she filled one of those slots with Bill.
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| -Obama decries inequality in speech previewing 2012 |
Playinghardball |
Dec-06-11 03:40 PM |
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Do I still have to eat my peas? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-06-11 03:51 PM |
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Yes. Peas give you your federal daily requirement of issue ducking condescension |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:43 AM |
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He didn't mean it. I can tell. n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Dec-06-11 03:55 PM |
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Don't be silly. He means each and every on e of his campaign speeches and always has. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:58 AM |
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As a DU donor-member.... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Dec-07-11 08:39 AM |
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Where is the part where Obama offered |
Vinnie From Indy |
Dec-06-11 03:59 PM |
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And out come the the usual suspects! |
savalez |
Dec-07-11 02:02 PM |
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He talked like he hadn't been the President during the last 3 years. |
russspeakeasy |
Dec-06-11 04:03 PM |
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Yes, if only Republicans hadn't forced him... |
vi5 |
Dec-06-11 04:21 PM |
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^^ This!! |
LeftHandPath |
Dec-06-11 04:26 PM |
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+1 |
Maven |
Dec-06-11 04:38 PM |
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Actions. |
paparush |
Dec-06-11 05:56 PM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:51 AM |
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Boy, the threadcrappers are hard at work bringing the right-wing memes. |
TheWraith |
Dec-06-11 05:05 PM |
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here are some more "right-wing memes" for your list.. |
frylock |
Dec-06-11 05:18 PM |
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"Fool me once" |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:36 AM |
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Where's the pony? |
LiberalEsto |
Dec-06-11 05:55 PM |
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Yup. That is one of many memes from the other side. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:37 AM |
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Obama Strikes Populist Chord With Speech in Heartland. |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Please remind us who the President has been for the last 3 years. |
russspeakeasy |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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That's bullshit. We can list all the things he has done for the middle class but you'll just dismiss |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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1+++ Fascism always assumes that it owns reality & what it doesn't own can be acquired through power |
patrice |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Thanks |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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I've heard the speeches. I'm sure that I will now |
russspeakeasy |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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I, for one, didn't know until 2 days ago that the Health Care Reform requires Insurance |
Cal33 |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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There are many many more things, |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Obama preserved private health care industry -- according to Rahm ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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one would think they were listening to team limbaugh, like 50 mil a week do. but likely they got it |
certainot |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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People see Obama and his accomplishments through different prisms. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 02:44 AM |
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Thanks for your attempt at rationality, No Elephs. |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 10:10 AM |
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Some commentators have said that 80% requirement is intended |
tblue37 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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I'm all for the single payer system. I hope it succeeds. |
Cal33 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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I like that idea too, that is, make them do what they're supposed to do, |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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You may want to take a look at reply 97. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:23 AM |
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Right, surely they can 'endure' with 'mere' 20%. |
elleng |
Dec-07-11 01:42 AM |
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They're making it on a fraction of 20% now, but the mandate is coming, so things will look up. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:48 AM |
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Self delete. Meant to edit this and somehow reposted instead. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:02 AM |
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Either those commentators did not do their homework or they are propagandists |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:20 AM |
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I'll admit, I had forgotten that magnificent gem |
tavalon |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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20% is very generous, esp. if you make under 6% profit now. Please see the article at this link: |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:40 AM |
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I don't think the 20% (15% for large ins. cos.) is ALL profit. Don't forget, the ins. cos. |
Cal33 |
Dec-07-11 01:42 PM |
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Think about it. Here's one of the most dishonest and life threatening |
truedelphi |
Dec-07-11 01:49 PM |
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The insurance cos. aren't the only people keeping records. The medical people |
Cal33 |
Dec-08-11 06:30 AM |
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Two questions: |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 02:27 AM |
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I'm not in the insurance field, and haven't gone into the definitions. About the |
Cal33 |
Dec-08-11 06:49 AM |
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You got a "AMEN and DAMN RIGHT!" from this corner! |
66 dmhlt |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Right -- that's why poverty has increased during Obama's term -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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As a measure that list is laughable. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 02:37 AM |
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have a ginger ale. you'll feel better. |
dionysus |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Obama thinks he can put the "Campaign '08" mask back on again -- ? ROFL |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Every other nation has universal health care, but it's us and not Obama who are "crazy" ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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And just what Congress is going to PASS it? Did you ever take middle school civics? |
RBInMaine |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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No Congress ... when Obama took Single Payer "OFF THE TABLE" .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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During his campaign, Obama said single payer could never work in the US==NOT |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:52 AM |
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Why wouldn't he? |
tblue |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Evidently it works for people who have amnesia -- or who are willing to delude themselves -- !! ??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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is there a list of specific observable and measurable proposals in this speech? nt |
msongs |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Clue. Stay away from poker games. nt |
patrice |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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oh he is bluffing. thanks for the warning :-) nt |
msongs |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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no but he looked good..... nice smile.... n/t |
IamK |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Watch what they do, not what they say. |
LeftHandPath |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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I like this guy. Where the hell has he been for the last 3 years. |
Autumn |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Out passing more PROGRESSIVE legislation than we've seen since LBJ. Just ask Maddow. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Three new trade agreements, more money for MIC, flying drones over Pakistan ... "progressive" .. ??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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SCHIP, Fair Pay, Wall St. Reform, Healthcare, the MOST green energy investment EVER... and if you |
RBInMaine |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Obama: "Oil rigs don't spill anymore" ...!! Arctic drilling!! ROFL |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Maddow wants Obama a re-elected. That does not mean his legislation is progressive. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 01:58 AM |
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You think so? |
Autumn |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Not true. Just ask Keith. |
russspeakeasy |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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I saw what you did there. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:33 AM |
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Why would we ask Maddow? We've been following along every day since since 2007. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Teddy roosevelt. One of the top three presidents in history. |
Muskypundit |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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He needed someone new. He's already done Abe Lincoln, FDR and JFK. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Talk is cheap. n/t |
Earth_First |
Dec-07-11 12:31 AM |
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Obama health reform bill still better than anything Clinton did. |
SleeplessinSoCal |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Right -- if you IGNORE that essentially it preserved the PRIVATE health care industry -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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For now. But when they can't profit enough, they will slink away, and we will end up with single-pay |
tblue37 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Obama trampled "single payer" in back room deals with private H/C industry -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Have you seen the benefits of the reform bill? Or are you only going to harp on the negative? |
SleeplessinSoCal |
Dec-08-11 12:45 AM |
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. |
Occulus |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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He said he was in favor of single when he was in Illinois, However, when he ran for POTUS |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:33 AM |
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I hope you are correct, but I think you are underestimating the ability |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:33 AM |
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did you miss no elephant's remarks upthread? |
newspeak |
Dec-07-11 08:11 AM |
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Preserved? It bailed out and protected the health insurers and the private health care industry. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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I am getting sick of this... |
IthinkThereforeIAM |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Well, the first step is to ask for it and the second is to fight like hell for it . |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Yet, worse than Nixon's bill, which T. Kennedy killed, much to his lifelong regret. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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limbaugh has a trophy for defeating clinton HC, just as he does for single payer, and PO, but it's |
certainot |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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and words posted on a forum is even cheaper n/t |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Dec-07-11 04:46 AM |
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Words are all that is possible on a message board. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 07:30 AM |
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Really good speech, imo. Obama laid out the broad lines in our political tug-of-wars. |
pinto |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Agreed. Now let us hope that he doesn't start backpedaling |
Doctor_J |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Ah -- "Populist" ... after making it a dirty word, Dems want to bring it back? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Disagree that the Third Way controls the party, especially as recent political events develop. |
pinto |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Lots of info on DU says otherwise -- including Jonathan Cowan on C-span .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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DLC took over the Party. Whether OWS will change that remains to be seen. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Ah, that liberal NYT |
Doctor_J |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#46 |
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Attack on the rich equals "war on drugs". Sounds good, |
russspeakeasy |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Obama does need to repeat the numbers over and over again |
newspeak |
Dec-07-11 01:30 PM |
#127 |
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Obama has only worked to preserve the elite wealth -- the rich - !! Wall Street -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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We've seen this movie before. |
MARK52 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#48 |
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Actually, both Obama and HRC put Reagan on their top ten U.S. Presidents ever list. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 02:19 AM |
#106 |
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I remember McBride from amnesty international |
newspeak |
Dec-08-11 10:58 AM |
#134 |
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Well kidos to him for going there to make that speech. If only he could convince them to vote for |
craigmatic |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#51 |
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Yeah, his energy might be better spent rallying his base |
Doctor_J |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#54 |
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Promises |
MARK52 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#59 |
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According to a lot of people at DU, his base is solidly with him and DU |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 07:59 AM |
#117 |
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the "Obama Scandal List" tells you how much Obama cares about populism |
TMED |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#56 |
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I almost didn't click given your low post count |
Doctor_J |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#58 |
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Now just back populist legislation and we're good |
SHRED |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#61 |
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For all you skeptics - thank goodness someone is actually saying it. |
gtar100 |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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Lack of ideals in us has not been the problem so far. Neither has the inability of Obama and his |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 07:36 AM |
#114 |
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Anyone who votes republican that is NOT a millionaire is voting AGAINST him or herself |
judesedit |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#65 |
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And what you would say about any Democrat who doesn't see that |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 07:46 AM |
#115 |
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Populism will soon become the new "-ism" to attack |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
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He's a great campaigner, I'll give him that |
tavalon |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#76 |
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I agree with you completely! |
DiehardLiberal |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#83 |
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Another speech with no actions. |
FunMe |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#77 |
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1.9% surtax on incomes over a million? |
many a good man |
Dec-07-11 12:32 AM |
#84 |
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And the people making only a half a million PER YEAR won't be asked for |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 08:03 AM |
#118 |
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Here is a cord ya'll can tug on... |
wundermaus |
Dec-07-11 12:33 AM |
#88 |
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The Obama campaign was probably speed dialing the banks to let them know this speech was mere |
Citizen Worker |
Dec-07-11 01:52 AM |
#103 |
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They don;t have to. Wall Street and the rich understand how the game is played. |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 08:05 AM |
#119 |
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Triangulate me once... |
JCMach1 |
Dec-07-11 12:48 AM |
#93 |
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where is his populist/progressive filled house and senate? |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Dec-07-11 04:50 AM |
#111 |
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If you evoke TR, expect comparisons... |
JCMach1 |
Dec-07-11 05:12 AM |
#112 |
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He had the largest number of Democrats any Democrat is going to get |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 08:08 AM |
#120 |
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I have been critical of obama, especially his choices in cabinet |
newspeak |
Dec-07-11 07:52 AM |
#116 |
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This is not news to anyone in politics, esp. national politics. Obama knew it |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 08:16 AM |
#122 |
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I understand no elephants |
newspeak |
Dec-07-11 08:56 AM |
#125 |
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Well, as usual, one group professes that Obama walks on water and the nation will perish unless |
No Elephants |
Dec-07-11 08:33 AM |
#123 |
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