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Mon Dec-05-11 01:00 PM
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| 49. Sure, one can rationalize almost anything it seems. Point is, which is the truth, not what |
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explanations, rationalizations and excuses we can possibly come up with to, um, comfort ourselves back to sleep.
I don't want pacifiers or window dressing or excuses. (No idea why anyone would, but it seems they do.)
However, I have a hard time figuring out what is real anymore. So much bs being spread around from all directions.
In this instance, I am going with, I don't think Democratic federal Senators and Representatives who aren't total pieces of doo break from a Democratic President without damned good reason in their minds.
Among other things, I don't see that they have a lot to gain by so doing and I do think they have a lot to lose.
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| -Payroll Tax Cuts Seen by Some Obama Allies as Undermining Social Security |
NeoConsSuck |
Dec-05-11 04:57 AM |
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Hmm.. Rush Holt is no dummy, he has a physics PhD.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 05:07 AM |
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One could argue.. |
DCBob |
Dec-05-11 05:11 AM |
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That's what I believe. Until the economy improves, everything is at risk. |
Hoyt |
Dec-05-11 07:05 AM |
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IOW like the Republicans keep saying..tax cuts create jobs.. |
Bandit |
Dec-05-11 10:27 AM |
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There Are Taxes And There Are Taxes |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 10:59 AM |
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There are other ways to do that WITHOUT.... |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 12:35 PM |
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Makes a lot of sense to me. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:03 PM |
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"If the economy is setback substantially due to the tax cuts expiring" |
TBF |
Dec-05-11 12:50 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:04 PM |
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I've worked with many 1%ers - |
TBF |
Dec-05-11 01:33 PM |
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Sure, one can rationalize almost anything it seems. Point is, which is the truth, not what |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:00 PM |
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I'm in Manchin's corner on this issue. I am surprised |
rpannier |
Dec-05-11 05:44 AM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:06 PM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-05-11 05:45 AM |
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UNINTENDED fallout? |
Doctor_J |
Dec-05-11 05:50 AM |
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I agree, it would be an insult to Obama to think that he has missed such an obvious side effect.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 05:58 AM |
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He's insulted many of us that voted for him by not being the president |
Lionessa |
Dec-05-11 06:15 AM |
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+1,000,000 - n/t |
lbrtbell |
Dec-05-11 06:05 AM |
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I agree... Unintended? |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 12:46 PM |
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More "Change we can believe in!" |
durablend |
Dec-05-11 05:55 AM |
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I agree. Obama is sneaky. |
FreeBillClinton |
Dec-05-11 06:08 AM |
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Well, if he tried o be sneaky with this, I guess he failed. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:12 PM |
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Probably thinks we are all stupid. |
NCarolinawoman |
Dec-05-11 01:21 PM |
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Stupid, or passive? Never mind. Dinnae matter. It works for them either way. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:28 PM |
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Another thing that needs to be brought up |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-05-11 06:22 AM |
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If the idea is to keep turning people against OASDI, why would anyone put a limit on that? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:16 PM |
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Buried 16 paragraphs down: no cut in SS revenue. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-11 06:32 AM |
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Given that Obama's Social Security Trustees are currently misleading |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 06:37 AM |
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That SS is now being funded in part from general revenues is the point of the article.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 06:37 AM |
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"The argument that SS is welfare now has a leg to stand on." |
Enthusiast |
Dec-05-11 07:54 AM |
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Social Security is welfare in part |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 07:58 AM |
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Nice Republican way to characterize social security. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-05-11 10:37 AM |
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You have a wealth transfer from the middle to upper middle |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 11:48 AM |
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Thanks. We understand how OASDI was supposed to work. God only knows how |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:25 PM |
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With all due respect FUCK that lie and fuck twice. Thanks ever so. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:22 PM |
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So you would characterize Social Security as Social Insurance |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 03:45 PM |
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"there is an offsetting transfer from general revenue back into the SS program." |
CrispyQ |
Dec-05-11 08:56 AM |
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Yes. Always helps to read threads. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:27 PM |
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I thought that's what I had heard on Rachel or Keith. That |
Greybnk48 |
Dec-05-11 10:08 AM |
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Yes, we know. Money from the general fund in a deep recession going into a program that |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:19 PM |
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I don't watch Fox News so I'm not clutching my pearls nor |
Greybnk48 |
Dec-05-11 01:59 PM |
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The POINT is that NOW, thanks to the Payroll Tax "Holiday", |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 04:35 PM |
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"Make No Mistake: My Deficit Commission came close to getting the job done, and if |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 06:32 AM |
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$300 million is a freakin joke. The Fed silently handed the banks Eleven Trillion |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:42 PM |
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Lets face it Obama is clueless about what to do for the economy. |
pam4water |
Dec-05-11 07:49 AM |
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Very much disagree. I think he knows exactly what he wants to do with the economy |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:45 PM |
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Payroll tax cut seen to harm babies and puppies... |
Evasporque |
Dec-05-11 09:08 AM |
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Bush tax cuts were not permanent. They expired a year ago. We are now under the Obama tax cuts. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:47 PM |
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When |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 09:44 AM |
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The fact remains that now people have got a taste |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 10:03 AM |
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Can't |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:07 AM |
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What programs were cut to equal the $67 billion from |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 10:06 AM |
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There |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:15 AM |
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You didn't answer the question, so not the end of subject, |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 11:10 AM |
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So |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:10 PM |
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If you don't know say you don't know it's that simple. |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 12:42 PM |
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What |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:52 PM |
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Third times the charm. So the truth is you don't know but you too |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 01:10 PM |
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Speaking |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 01:17 PM |
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Totally misses the point. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:39 PM |
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Try reading this thread. That point has been addressed on this thread over and over and |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:35 PM |
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The Republicans can now say completely truthfully that SS contributes to the deficit.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 10:11 AM |
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And |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:15 AM |
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So where is the revenue coming from that's going to make up for the payroll tax cut? |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 10:42 AM |
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Oh my |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:10 PM |
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That was not responsive.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 12:34 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:36 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-05-11 12:47 PM |
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Try Google? |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 01:02 PM |
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I guess, when there's really nothing to be said, one has options: |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:53 PM |
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Also nonresponsive. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:50 PM |
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. |
neverforget |
Dec-05-11 07:10 PM |
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LOLOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:49 PM |
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Money was moved from the general fund to cover it, and |
Doctor_J |
Dec-05-11 01:15 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 01:24 PM |
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Never move forward off that same diime. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:56 PM |
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No, it isn't and everyone on the thread has grasped it and discussed the possible |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:54 PM |
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Seriously, read this thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:48 PM |
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Not So Fast |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 10:51 AM |
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No misinformation. We all get that the revenue is being moved from the General Fund and many of us |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:59 PM |
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(on the side...I agree that it is NOT good for SS.) |
SoapBox |
Dec-05-11 11:16 AM |
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Math 101 |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 11:25 AM |
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And if you're contribution is zero, because of a "holiday," what does that mean for the employer? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 02:01 PM |
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If you have not already seen Reply 42, please read it. That is all. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 02:03 PM |
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Well the US can't exert global hegemony on a shoe-string military budget: |
indepat |
Dec-05-11 04:46 PM |
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The Future of SS revenues |
BeFree |
Dec-05-11 05:51 PM |
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