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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 07:49 AM
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17. Lets face it Obama is clueless about what to do for the economy.
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  -Payroll Tax Cuts Seen by Some Obama Allies as Undermining Social Security NeoConsSuck  Dec-05-11 04:57 AM   #0 
  - Hmm.. Rush Holt is no dummy, he has a physics PhD..  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 05:07 AM   #1 
  - One could argue..  DCBob   Dec-05-11 05:11 AM   #2 
  - That's what I believe. Until the economy improves, everything is at risk.  Hoyt   Dec-05-11 07:05 AM   #16 
  - IOW like the Republicans keep saying..tax cuts create jobs..  Bandit   Dec-05-11 10:27 AM   #30 
  - There Are Taxes And There Are Taxes  DallasNE   Dec-05-11 10:59 AM   #34 
  - There are other ways to do that WITHOUT....  bvar22   Dec-05-11 12:35 PM   #42 
  - Makes a lot of sense to me.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:03 PM   #51 
  - "If the economy is setback substantially due to the tax cuts expiring"  TBF   Dec-05-11 12:50 PM   #47 
  - You're kidding, right?  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:04 PM   #52 
  - I've worked with many 1%ers -  TBF   Dec-05-11 01:33 PM   #66 
  - Sure, one can rationalize almost anything it seems. Point is, which is the truth, not what  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:00 PM   #49 
  - I'm in Manchin's corner on this issue. I am surprised  rpannier   Dec-05-11 05:44 AM   #3 
  - +1  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:06 PM   #53 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Dec-05-11 05:45 AM   #4 
  - UNINTENDED fallout?  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 05:50 AM   #5 
  - I agree, it would be an insult to Obama to think that he has missed such an obvious side effect..  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 05:58 AM   #7 
  - He's insulted many of us that voted for him by not being the president  Lionessa   Dec-05-11 06:15 AM   #10 
  - +1,000,000 - n/t  lbrtbell   Dec-05-11 06:05 AM   #8 
  - I agree... Unintended?  bvar22   Dec-05-11 12:46 PM   #45 
  - More "Change we can believe in!"  durablend   Dec-05-11 05:55 AM   #6 
  - I agree. Obama is sneaky.  FreeBillClinton   Dec-05-11 06:08 AM   #9 
  - Well, if he tried o be sneaky with this, I guess he failed.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:12 PM   #55 
  - Probably thinks we are all stupid.  NCarolinawoman   Dec-05-11 01:21 PM   #60 
     - Stupid, or passive? Never mind. Dinnae matter. It works for them either way.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:28 PM   #65 
  - Another thing that needs to be brought up  customerserviceguy   Dec-05-11 06:22 AM   #11 
  - If the idea is to keep turning people against OASDI, why would anyone put a limit on that?  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:16 PM   #57 
  - Buried 16 paragraphs down: no cut in SS revenue.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-05-11 06:32 AM   #12 
  - Given that Obama's Social Security Trustees are currently misleading  MannyGoldstein   Dec-05-11 06:37 AM   #14 
  - That SS is now being funded in part from general revenues is the point of the article..  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 06:37 AM   #15 
  - "The argument that SS is welfare now has a leg to stand on."  Enthusiast   Dec-05-11 07:54 AM   #18 
  - Social Security is welfare in part  exboyfil   Dec-05-11 07:58 AM   #19 
     - Nice Republican way to characterize social security.  Enthusiast   Dec-05-11 10:37 AM   #31 
     - You have a wealth transfer from the middle to upper middle  exboyfil   Dec-05-11 11:48 AM   #38 
        - Thanks. We understand how OASDI was supposed to work. God only knows how  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:25 PM   #63 
     - With all due respect FUCK that lie and fuck twice. Thanks ever so.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:22 PM   #61 
        - So you would characterize Social Security as Social Insurance  exboyfil   Dec-05-11 03:45 PM   #82 
  - "there is an offsetting transfer from general revenue back into the SS program."  CrispyQ   Dec-05-11 08:56 AM   #20 
  - Yes. Always helps to read threads.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:27 PM   #64 
  - I thought that's what I had heard on Rachel or Keith. That  Greybnk48   Dec-05-11 10:08 AM   #26 
  - Yes, we know. Money from the general fund in a deep recession going into a program that  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:19 PM   #59 
     - I don't watch Fox News so I'm not clutching my pearls nor  Greybnk48   Dec-05-11 01:59 PM   #78 
        - The POINT is that NOW, thanks to the Payroll Tax "Holiday",  bvar22   Dec-05-11 04:35 PM   #83 
  - "Make No Mistake: My Deficit Commission came close to getting the job done, and if  MannyGoldstein   Dec-05-11 06:32 AM   #13 
  - $300 million is a freakin joke. The Fed silently handed the banks Eleven Trillion  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:42 PM   #69 
  - Lets face it Obama is clueless about what to do for the economy.  pam4water   Dec-05-11 07:49 AM   #17 
  - Very much disagree. I think he knows exactly what he wants to do with the economy  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:45 PM   #70 
  - Payroll tax cut seen to harm babies and puppies...  Evasporque   Dec-05-11 09:08 AM   #21 
  - Bush tax cuts were not permanent. They expired a year ago. We are now under the Obama tax cuts.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:47 PM   #71 
  - When  ProSense   Dec-05-11 09:44 AM   #22 
  - The fact remains that now people have got a taste  exboyfil   Dec-05-11 10:03 AM   #23 
  - Can't  ProSense   Dec-05-11 10:07 AM   #25 
  - What programs were cut to equal the $67 billion from  Leontius   Dec-05-11 10:06 AM   #24 
  - There  ProSense   Dec-05-11 10:15 AM   #28 
     - You didn't answer the question, so not the end of subject,  Leontius   Dec-05-11 11:10 AM   #35 
        - So  ProSense   Dec-05-11 12:10 PM   #39 
           - If you don't know say you don't know it's that simple.  Leontius   Dec-05-11 12:42 PM   #44 
              - What  ProSense   Dec-05-11 12:52 PM   #48 
                 - Third times the charm. So the truth is you don't know but you too  Leontius   Dec-05-11 01:10 PM   #54 
                 - Speaking  ProSense   Dec-05-11 01:17 PM   #58 
                    - Totally misses the point.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:39 PM   #68 
                 - Try reading this thread. That point has been addressed on this thread over and over and  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:35 PM   #67 
  - The Republicans can now say completely truthfully that SS contributes to the deficit..  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 10:11 AM   #27 
  - And  ProSense   Dec-05-11 10:15 AM   #29 
     - So where is the revenue coming from that's going to make up for the payroll tax cut?  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 10:42 AM   #32 
     - Oh my  ProSense   Dec-05-11 12:10 PM   #40 
        - That was not responsive..  Fumesucker   Dec-05-11 12:34 PM   #41 
        - Well,  ProSense   Dec-05-11 12:36 PM   #43 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-05-11 12:47 PM   #46 
           - Try Google?  bvar22   Dec-05-11 01:02 PM   #50 
           - I guess, when there's really nothing to be said, one has options:  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:53 PM   #75 
           - Also nonresponsive.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:50 PM   #74 
        - .  neverforget   Dec-05-11 07:10 PM   #86 
     - LOLOL!  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:49 PM   #73 
  - Money was moved from the general fund to cover it, and  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 01:15 PM   #56 
  - Wait  ProSense   Dec-05-11 01:24 PM   #62 
  - Never move forward off that same diime.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:56 PM   #77 
  - No, it isn't and everyone on the thread has grasped it and discussed the possible  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:54 PM   #76 
  - Seriously, read this thread.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:48 PM   #72 
  - Not So Fast  DallasNE   Dec-05-11 10:51 AM   #33 
  - No misinformation. We all get that the revenue is being moved from the General Fund and many of us  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 01:59 PM   #79 
  - (on the side...I agree that it is NOT good for SS.)  SoapBox   Dec-05-11 11:16 AM   #36 
  - Math 101  DallasNE   Dec-05-11 11:25 AM   #37 
     - And if you're contribution is zero, because of a "holiday," what does that mean for the employer?  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:01 PM   #80 
  - If you have not already seen Reply 42, please read it. That is all.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:03 PM   #81 
  - Well the US can't exert global hegemony on a shoe-string military budget:  indepat   Dec-05-11 04:46 PM   #84 
  - The Future of SS revenues  BeFree   Dec-05-11 05:51 PM   #85 
 

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