Warren Stupidity
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Mon Dec-05-11 06:32 AM
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| 12. Buried 16 paragraphs down: no cut in SS revenue. |
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"While transferring other revenue into the program would ensure benefits aren’t cut because of the tax reduction, Social Security advocates may have a harder time arguing that seniors’ benefits were bought and paid for by their payroll taxes."
Fuck the disinformation. There is no cut in SS revenue, there is an offsetting transfer from general revenue back into the SS program.
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| -Payroll Tax Cuts Seen by Some Obama Allies as Undermining Social Security |
NeoConsSuck |
Dec-05-11 04:57 AM |
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Hmm.. Rush Holt is no dummy, he has a physics PhD.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 05:07 AM |
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One could argue.. |
DCBob |
Dec-05-11 05:11 AM |
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That's what I believe. Until the economy improves, everything is at risk. |
Hoyt |
Dec-05-11 07:05 AM |
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IOW like the Republicans keep saying..tax cuts create jobs.. |
Bandit |
Dec-05-11 10:27 AM |
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There Are Taxes And There Are Taxes |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 10:59 AM |
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There are other ways to do that WITHOUT.... |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 12:35 PM |
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Makes a lot of sense to me. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:03 PM |
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"If the economy is setback substantially due to the tax cuts expiring" |
TBF |
Dec-05-11 12:50 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:04 PM |
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I've worked with many 1%ers - |
TBF |
Dec-05-11 01:33 PM |
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Sure, one can rationalize almost anything it seems. Point is, which is the truth, not what |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:00 PM |
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I'm in Manchin's corner on this issue. I am surprised |
rpannier |
Dec-05-11 05:44 AM |
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+1 |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:06 PM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-05-11 05:45 AM |
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UNINTENDED fallout? |
Doctor_J |
Dec-05-11 05:50 AM |
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I agree, it would be an insult to Obama to think that he has missed such an obvious side effect.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 05:58 AM |
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He's insulted many of us that voted for him by not being the president |
Lionessa |
Dec-05-11 06:15 AM |
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+1,000,000 - n/t |
lbrtbell |
Dec-05-11 06:05 AM |
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I agree... Unintended? |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 12:46 PM |
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More "Change we can believe in!" |
durablend |
Dec-05-11 05:55 AM |
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I agree. Obama is sneaky. |
FreeBillClinton |
Dec-05-11 06:08 AM |
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Well, if he tried o be sneaky with this, I guess he failed. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:12 PM |
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Probably thinks we are all stupid. |
NCarolinawoman |
Dec-05-11 01:21 PM |
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Stupid, or passive? Never mind. Dinnae matter. It works for them either way. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:28 PM |
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Another thing that needs to be brought up |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-05-11 06:22 AM |
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If the idea is to keep turning people against OASDI, why would anyone put a limit on that? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:16 PM |
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Buried 16 paragraphs down: no cut in SS revenue. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-05-11 06:32 AM |
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Given that Obama's Social Security Trustees are currently misleading |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 06:37 AM |
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That SS is now being funded in part from general revenues is the point of the article.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 06:37 AM |
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"The argument that SS is welfare now has a leg to stand on." |
Enthusiast |
Dec-05-11 07:54 AM |
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Social Security is welfare in part |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 07:58 AM |
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Nice Republican way to characterize social security. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-05-11 10:37 AM |
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You have a wealth transfer from the middle to upper middle |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 11:48 AM |
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Thanks. We understand how OASDI was supposed to work. God only knows how |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:25 PM |
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With all due respect FUCK that lie and fuck twice. Thanks ever so. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:22 PM |
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So you would characterize Social Security as Social Insurance |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 03:45 PM |
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"there is an offsetting transfer from general revenue back into the SS program." |
CrispyQ |
Dec-05-11 08:56 AM |
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Yes. Always helps to read threads. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:27 PM |
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I thought that's what I had heard on Rachel or Keith. That |
Greybnk48 |
Dec-05-11 10:08 AM |
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Yes, we know. Money from the general fund in a deep recession going into a program that |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:19 PM |
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I don't watch Fox News so I'm not clutching my pearls nor |
Greybnk48 |
Dec-05-11 01:59 PM |
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The POINT is that NOW, thanks to the Payroll Tax "Holiday", |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 04:35 PM |
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"Make No Mistake: My Deficit Commission came close to getting the job done, and if |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-05-11 06:32 AM |
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$300 million is a freakin joke. The Fed silently handed the banks Eleven Trillion |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:42 PM |
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Lets face it Obama is clueless about what to do for the economy. |
pam4water |
Dec-05-11 07:49 AM |
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Very much disagree. I think he knows exactly what he wants to do with the economy |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:45 PM |
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Payroll tax cut seen to harm babies and puppies... |
Evasporque |
Dec-05-11 09:08 AM |
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Bush tax cuts were not permanent. They expired a year ago. We are now under the Obama tax cuts. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:47 PM |
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When |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 09:44 AM |
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The fact remains that now people have got a taste |
exboyfil |
Dec-05-11 10:03 AM |
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Can't |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:07 AM |
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What programs were cut to equal the $67 billion from |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 10:06 AM |
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There |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:15 AM |
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You didn't answer the question, so not the end of subject, |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 11:10 AM |
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So |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:10 PM |
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If you don't know say you don't know it's that simple. |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 12:42 PM |
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What |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:52 PM |
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Third times the charm. So the truth is you don't know but you too |
Leontius |
Dec-05-11 01:10 PM |
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Speaking |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 01:17 PM |
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Totally misses the point. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:39 PM |
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Try reading this thread. That point has been addressed on this thread over and over and |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:35 PM |
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The Republicans can now say completely truthfully that SS contributes to the deficit.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 10:11 AM |
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And |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 10:15 AM |
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So where is the revenue coming from that's going to make up for the payroll tax cut? |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 10:42 AM |
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Oh my |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:10 PM |
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That was not responsive.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-05-11 12:34 PM |
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Well, |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 12:36 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-05-11 12:47 PM |
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Try Google? |
bvar22 |
Dec-05-11 01:02 PM |
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I guess, when there's really nothing to be said, one has options: |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:53 PM |
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Also nonresponsive. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:50 PM |
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. |
neverforget |
Dec-05-11 07:10 PM |
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LOLOL! |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:49 PM |
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Money was moved from the general fund to cover it, and |
Doctor_J |
Dec-05-11 01:15 PM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
Dec-05-11 01:24 PM |
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Never move forward off that same diime. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:56 PM |
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No, it isn't and everyone on the thread has grasped it and discussed the possible |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:54 PM |
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Seriously, read this thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:48 PM |
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Not So Fast |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 10:51 AM |
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No misinformation. We all get that the revenue is being moved from the General Fund and many of us |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 01:59 PM |
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(on the side...I agree that it is NOT good for SS.) |
SoapBox |
Dec-05-11 11:16 AM |
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Math 101 |
DallasNE |
Dec-05-11 11:25 AM |
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And if you're contribution is zero, because of a "holiday," what does that mean for the employer? |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 02:01 PM |
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If you have not already seen Reply 42, please read it. That is all. |
No Elephants |
Dec-05-11 02:03 PM |
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Well the US can't exert global hegemony on a shoe-string military budget: |
indepat |
Dec-05-11 04:46 PM |
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The Future of SS revenues |
BeFree |
Dec-05-11 05:51 PM |
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