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Police Stop Occupy Construction in Capital
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Occupy D.C. protesters started building what looked like a small barn early Sunday in the middle of a park two blocks from the White House where they have been camping out, setting off a series of arrests and a standoff with the police that lasted into the evening.

Ann Wilcox, an observer from the National Lawyers Guild who was in touch with both sides, said that the police had made clear in advance that protesters inside and around the structure would be arrested, and that any delay was simply to safely remove a handful who had climbed on top of the half-built structure.

As the police worked bringing in a cherry picker to get the protesters off the roof and an oversize air mattress to provide a soft landing the protesters chanted their defiance: We are stronger than your trucks and your horses and your riot gear and your orders.

Despite some disputes and a few confrontations, the Occupy D.C. protesters have had a relatively smooth relationship with the police, without the clashes that have occurred in other cities when officers have moved in to carry out mass evictions. But the erection of the structure, and the police response to it, appeared likely to escalate tensions at the camp. Several protesters said the police had moved in a little after noon, using horses to force people back.

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  -Police Stop Occupy Construction in Capital alp227  Dec-04-11 07:48 PM   #0 
  - I support the occupiers but building structures in public parks, no  wordpix   Dec-04-11 07:59 PM   #1 
  - I agree.  virgogal   Dec-04-11 08:14 PM   #3 
  - yup. n/t  progressoid   Dec-04-11 08:59 PM   #5 
  - Agree nt  cstanleytech   Dec-04-11 09:06 PM   #6 
  - You support the occupiers as long as they are not staging an occupation ?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:26 PM   #11 
  - plus++++++  SammyWinstonJack   Dec-05-11 12:55 PM   #40 
  - I guess you would support the TParty putting up structures in all the nation's parks, then  wordpix   Dec-06-11 09:01 AM   #119 
  - What counts as a structure?  quakerboy   Dec-05-11 02:24 AM   #21 
  - Green grass is more important than an occupy movement -- of course -- !!! ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 09:55 AM   #25 
  - And in December, too. "Hey, occupiers! Get off Freedom Square's frozen lawn!"  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:26 PM   #63 
  - hyoerbole, much? I know, I know, it's so hard to stick to the facts and reality instead of  wordpix   Dec-06-11 09:06 AM   #121 
  - who said that? I support the DC gov here---occupiers can occupy but not build structures  wordpix   Dec-06-11 09:03 AM   #120 
  - You support the occupiers but not the occupying part?  Marrah_G   Dec-05-11 12:44 PM   #36 
  - If they never break the law then it's not civil disobedience  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 12:48 PM   #39 
  - Protests are fine but this is not cool.  Quartermass   Dec-04-11 08:12 PM   #2 
  - Actually, it is so much cooler than any protest since the bonus occupation of DC under Hoover.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:28 PM   #12 
  - It's about time the FOCUS came back to our corrupt government in DC -- !!! Smoke 'em out -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 09:56 AM   #26 
     - Under Hoover, they burned down the occupiers. Scholars say that is the day Hoover lost the next  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #65 
  - What sort of protests are okay with you?  Marrah_G   Dec-05-11 12:46 PM   #37 
  - I support the OWS cause  pipoman   Dec-04-11 08:43 PM   #4 
  - Personally I believe it is time for OWS to move on  cstanleytech   Dec-04-11 09:16 PM   #7 
  - That may be your agenda. They seem to know how to pursue their agenda  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:37 PM   # 
  - If hanging out in parks chanting catchy slogans is the sum total of their agenda then  cstanleytech   Dec-04-11 11:34 PM   #20 
  - Actually they changed the entire national conversation in a few weeks from  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 09:37 AM   #24 
  - Your criticism is shallow -- and they have already created positive change ....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 09:59 AM   #28 
  - The government's moving to the left?  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 12:57 PM   #41 
     - Delay of Keystone would be one --  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 01:51 PM   #43 
        - All of which has absolutely nothing to do with building a barn in a park.  randome   Dec-05-11 01:54 PM   #44 
           - Obama being Wall Street and too far to the right has nothing to do with HOMELESSNESS???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:08 PM   #51 
              - There are plenty of homeless centers people can work at.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:18 PM   #60 
                 - Yes -- the HOMELESS are certainly pampered -- !! ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:24 PM   #62 
                 - Evidently not.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:26 PM   #64 
                    - You think this is merely about changing the "crappy economy" ... ???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:39 PM   #71 
                    - I don't need to be convinced there is injustice in the world.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:49 PM   #76 
                       - Seems that you do, actually -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:56 PM   #83 
                    - OMG The Occupy Movement started in September and It's the beginning of December and the economy .  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:48 PM   #75 
                       - Never said my life needed to be 'fixed'.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:53 PM   #79 
                          - Again, I recommend you google and educate yourself. Or not.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:55 PM   #81 
                          - And I will ask the question one more time.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:58 PM   #84 
                             - I have answered it. Either educate yourself or not. Sorry if you do not recongize that as an answer.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 03:07 PM   #86 
                          - What you're asking is, why are homeless relevant to the protesters ... !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:05 PM   #85 
                             - Agreed.  randome   Dec-05-11 03:21 PM   #92 
                                - Wasn't it you who thought OWS' efforts were being directed at the police ... ???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:35 PM   #97 
                                   - Many more massive protests on Washington.  randome   Dec-05-11 03:38 PM   #99 
                                      - Only if you don't think bribery is theft -- ??? Again, there is an OCCUPY DC -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 04:01 PM   #106 
                 - First, I don't think there are plenty of homeless center. Sure are not enough in  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:39 PM   #70 
                    - I never said OWS had no impact.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:44 PM   #73 
                    - Neither did you say that it did -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:50 PM   #77 
                    - The conversation has shifted a little? LOL.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 02:54 PM   #80 
                    - K/R -- "But, if you only see a tent in a park, that's really too bad" -- LOVE IT!!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:44 PM   #74 
  - Don't forget getting pepper sprayed  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 12:44 PM   #35 
     - Well the only thing that achieved was making them well seasoned though ill pass on the long pig as  cstanleytech   Dec-05-11 02:12 PM   #55 
        - And that, of course, shows respect for OWS and the protesters -- !! ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:11 PM   #88 
  - They've changed nothing  lbrtbell   Dec-05-11 06:10 AM   #23 
     - Delayed the Keystone Pipeline -- for one --  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:02 AM   #29 
     - You support OWS? Really? Do tell. How?  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 03:09 PM   #87 
  - You mean more candidates like Obama? ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 09:57 AM   #27 
  - Then you don't understand OWS very well.  Zhade   Dec-05-11 01:28 PM   #42 
     - You are right, I dont understand how sitting on their ass and chanting achieves anything.  cstanleytech   Dec-05-11 02:09 PM   #54 
        - You're right ... sitting on drugstore stools and trying to use "white only" rest rooms ...  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:13 PM   #56 
        - A poster says traditional GOTV is meaningless and your response is OWS should use traditional GOTV?  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 05:22 PM   #111 
           - Its not traditional government its the people currently controlling it that is the problem and until  cstanleytech   Dec-06-11 02:00 PM   #122 
  - Occupy DC began October 6, 2011. It is not a one month deal. None of the occupations are.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:32 PM   #13 
  - It was supposedly going to be a shelter for homeless folks. nt nt  Zorra   Dec-04-11 09:16 PM   #8 
  - This structure was not safe  bottomofthehill   Dec-04-11 09:30 PM   #9 
  - That is a standard pole barn structure.  Arctic Dave   Dec-04-11 10:09 PM   #10 
  - i dont think so,...  bottomofthehill   Dec-04-11 10:37 PM   #14 
     - Why is running water indoors a safety issue? It did not exist in many homes  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:44 PM   #16 
     - Yes it is.  Arctic Dave   Dec-04-11 11:09 PM   #18 
     - "i have running water if there is fire"  Occulus   Dec-05-11 05:17 PM   #109 
  - Did you inspect the structure? Was it less safe than being exposed to all elements  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:38 PM   #15 
     - Did the city inspector inspect it?  joeglow3   Dec-05-11 12:43 PM   #34 
        - What happened with your and your building had nothing to do with my question.,  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 03:17 PM   #89 
  - Great idea -- !! Nice that someone is thinking of our homeless -- government sure isn't -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:04 AM   #30 
  - As usual, DU is right there with "I support the occupation, but they should stop."  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 10:49 PM   #17 
     - Thanks, No Elephants.  Zorra   Dec-04-11 11:13 PM   #19 
     - You are welcome, Zorra. (Civil? I told a friend I'd finally lost it! LOL)  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 03:58 PM   #104 
     - Damn that was good!  unionworks   Dec-05-11 04:40 AM   #22 
     - Great. I hope it comes back to you in some way. Then again, it probably has.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 03:59 PM   #105 
     - +1000% --- k/r for your post -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:05 AM   #31 
     - I had a discussion with a friend last night about this  justiceischeap   Dec-05-11 11:09 AM   #32 
     - But people who support without accepting input from others...  randome   Dec-05-11 11:14 AM   #33 
     - here - maybe this will help you understand the Occupy Movement:  Zorra   Dec-05-11 02:08 PM   #52 
        - Sure, but what kind of 'direct action' are we talking about here?  randome   Dec-05-11 02:14 PM   #57 
        - By calling the building a "barn" when you know it was not a barn,  Zorra   Dec-05-11 02:51 PM   #78 
           - Fine. It was not a barn.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:56 PM   #82 
        - Tell me, how many times has that tactic worked and how many times has it failed?  cstanleytech   Dec-05-11 02:16 PM   #59 
           - Let's see, Abolitionist Movement - check. Labor Movement - check...  Zorra   Dec-05-11 02:33 PM   #67 
           - You seem to forget US history --  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:34 PM   #68 
              - None of the examples you cited were resolved by living in parks.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:40 PM   #72 
                 - Movements change -- different tactics are used -- and, again, they did not build a "barn" -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:17 PM   #90 
                    - You're not going to destroy capitalism...  randome   Dec-05-11 03:24 PM   #94 
                       - Why don't you tell us -- keep asking you to give specifics .... still waiting -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:37 PM   #98 
                          - I did, up-thread.  randome   Dec-05-11 03:41 PM   #100 
                             - No -- Wall Street owns the legislators -- !! However, there is an OCCUPY DC ...  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:57 PM   #103 
                             - So we should just let the wounded bleed out?  Zhade   Dec-05-11 04:06 PM   #107 
                                - Not at all.  randome   Dec-05-11 04:51 PM   #108 
                                   - You have an unfortunate way of saying things ....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 05:17 PM   #110 
                                      - LOL  randome   Dec-05-11 05:30 PM   #113 
                                         - What I am saying is -- OBVIOUSLY -- I cannot speak for the movement ....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 05:32 PM   #114 
                                         - Have the movement get in touch with you? Get over yourself. Go see them.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 05:46 PM   #116 
                                            - +1000% -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 08:47 PM   #118 
     - Basically, the right to free assembly shouldn't require a "permit" -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 01:57 PM   #45 
     - "Right to assembly"?  randome   Dec-05-11 01:59 PM   #46 
        - Two different discussions ... what I said was right to free assembly s/not require a permit !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:02 PM   #48 
     - There is a theory that a "but" in a sentence is pretty much a signal  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 05:40 PM   #115 
     - So no one is allowed to criticize anything about the occupation?  Doctor_J   Dec-05-11 12:46 PM   #38 
        - It's not about true criticism .... it's about feigned support -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:00 PM   #47 
        - Let me hazard a guess, here.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:03 PM   #49 
           - Only if YOU are the one to decide what "true" support is. Right?  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:04 PM   #50 
              - So neither of us is an arbiter of truth. We are agreed on that.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:09 PM   #53 
                 - Provide the criticism .... stop feigning support where it is obviously not there ---  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:15 PM   #58 
                    - I can't prove to you that I support protests against our injust economic system.  randome   Dec-05-11 02:21 PM   #61 
                       - You can't prove to me either that you really want to discuss anything ....  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 02:30 PM   #66 
                          - I think (my opinion, granted) that OWS should direct their resources...  randome   Dec-05-11 02:36 PM   #69 
                             - Who owns the legislators other than Wall Street?  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:19 PM   #91 
                                - There you go with the insults again.  randome   Dec-05-11 03:22 PM   #93 
                                   - You're feigning support for OWS --- and didn't answer the question --- Goodbye -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:26 PM   #95 
                                      - I have noticed the tendency of OWS fanatics...  randome   Dec-05-11 03:33 PM   #96 
                                         - "OWS fanatics" .... ??? ... but you wouldn't be insulting anyone, would you? ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 03:47 PM   #101 
                                            - They're not confronting them in enough numbers to make a difference.  randome   Dec-05-11 03:54 PM   #102 
                                               - And you don't think the numbers will increase -- ???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 05:29 PM   #112 
        - Not at all what my post said, but thanks for the big straw man.  No Elephants   Dec-05-11 05:47 PM   #117 

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