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95. There is evidence that the CIA was active against leftist governments in LatAm.
For instance, there was the CIA caper out of Miami. Miamian named "Guido" cons his way onto a Venezuelan state oil company plane with a suitcase containing $800,000 in U.S. cash and tries to walk it through customs in Buenos Aires, gets caught, flees back to Miami and becomes a state witness for a Bushbot U.S. attorney, claiming that the money was intended for leftist Cristina Fernandez, who was running for president of Argentina, from Hugo Chavez. The purpose, of course, was to smear both Chavez and Fernandez. She won the election easily, without the cash from "Hugo." And, as Venezuela's VP pointed out, if they'd wanted to give money to Fernandez, they would have taken it on Chavez's official jet, with diplomatic immunity, a day or so later, when Chavez visited Argentina.

It is, of course, nearly impossible to nail the CIA for ops like that. But they do have a certain smell.

Another CIA-like operation was the "miracle laptop" aimed at Chavez and Rafael Correa, leftist president of Ecuador, although that one had a Rumsfeldian ("Office of Special Plans") smell and there is good evidence of Rumsfeld's interest in the op. (Rumsfeld's OSP was his own private CIA for ops that he couldn't get the CIA to do.) (A laptop seized from a FARC guerilla camp just inside Ecuador's border with Colombia--which had been obliterated with 500 lb. U.S. "smart bombs"--allegedly contained "evidence" that Chavez and Correa were helping the FARC guerillas to obtain a "dirty bomb," were accepting money from, or giving money to, the FARC and other wild charges--all since totally discredited. Seems to have been an op connected to a Rumsfeld war plan against Venezuela and Ecuador to destabilize those governments and get control of all of that oil.)

In any case, however busy the CIA was torturing prisoners around the world and covering up the Bush Cartel money trail to Al Qaeda, the Bushwhacks had many U.S. government agencies to utilize in their war on the Left in Latin America. They were even using the Peace Corps. One young Peace Corps volunteer in Bolivia whistleblew that the U.S. embassy asked him to spy on the leftists in Bolivia. They were using the CIA, the OSP, the USAID-NED, the DEA, the FBI, the U.S. 'Justice' Dept. and all U.S. "war on drugs" entities including the Pentagon and its private 'contractors'--all mooshed together--in various dirty ops and black ops against democratically elected Leftist governments.

One of the most interesting and important things that has occurred, with the new movement of cooperation among Latin American governments (led by the Leftists, of course) is great improvement in LatAm countries' intelligence services. Like CIA ops, this is hard to nail down precisely, but I think that the LatAm intelligence agencies are developing and sharing information in ways that they have never done before. Known ops that got busted are several assassination plots (against Leftist presidents), meetings of rightwing coup groups from several countries coordinated by the Bush Junta, the U.S. embassy/DEA collusion with the white separatists in Bolivia, Uribe (Colombia/Bushwhack) infiltration of "Black Eagle" death squads into Venezuela, the secret U.S. (Bushwhack)/Colombia military agreement (subsequently ruled illegal by the Colombian supreme court; among other things--a huge expansion of U.S. military bases in Colombia--the agreement gave "total diplomatic immunity" to all U.S. military personnel and all U.S. military 'contractors' in Colombia), and more. And there is the plain fact that all of these Leftist presidents have survived--are still alive, are still in power--and not just in power, but actively working for Latin American integration and independence from the U.S.

The Bush Junta heavy boots approach to the vast and amazing Leftist democracy movement in Latin America failed. Every time they tried to squish some leader, with various dirty ops, they were foiled and the movement got stronger (more Leftist presidents elected). All this effort--using multi-billions of U.S. tax dollars for the "war on drugs"--was for naught. There are even many centrist and rightwing LatAm leaders, now, who oppose the U.S. "war on drugs, including--quite incredibly--the new president of Colombia.

One of my worries about the U.S. and LatAm is that Leon Panetta, though he is clearly some kind of Bush Cartel operative (closely allied with Bush Sr; member of Bush Sr.'s "Iraq Study Group," which probably ousted Rumsfeld and stopped the nuking of Iran), is a much smoother operator than anyone in Bush Jr.'s Junta. There is evidence that Panetta was involved both in ousting Uribe in Colombia and covering up Bush Jr.'s criminal trail there (his first visible action as CIA Director was to go to Bogota), and in vetting and approving a different, and more subtle, use of the U.S. foothold in Colombia--with the new president Manuel Santos, whose first action as president, for instance, was to make peace with Venezuela. (He has also made other Leftist noises--for instance, promising universal health care in Colombia by next year, and the above, stating publicly that drugs should probably be decriminalized.)

I am, of course, not against peace--but what I suspect is that "war" just wasn't working in LatAm--it was backfiring. U.S. war profiteers were getting booted (from Ecuador, from Venezuela, from Bolivia) and U.S. transglobal corporations and banksters were getting booted or forced onto a "level playing field" (i.e., competition, no U.S.-arranged monopoly). The alliance between Chavez in Venezuela and the Leftist president of Brazil, Lula da Silva--a critically important alliance for LatAm solidarity--was holding. And his successor--the amazing Dilma Rousseff (who was tortured, in her youth, by the U.S.-backed fascist regime and is now president of Brazil) appears to be even tougher on LatAm solidarity than Lula (who did some amazing things on this issue). Ergo, a new approach is needed in order to serve U.S. Corporate Ruler interests--more skill at "dividing and conquering," better hidden ops, more emphasis on long term economic warfare, better thought out strategies, etc.

One of my biggest worries about this new Washington approach is that it is merely better war prep. For instance, Bill Clinton's ruinous sanctions against Iraq prepped Iraq for the Bush Junta war. The Obama administration placed some weird "sanctions" on Venezuela, recently. Very odd thing. Could have been merely to help Exxon Mobil, which has been trying for some time to seize Venezuelan assets abroad. But you gotta worry about "sanctions" on a completely innocent and democratic country.

Also, Obama can easily--EASILY!--be replaced. A far rightwing-connected e-voting corporation--ES&S, which bought out Diebold--now controls 80% of the voting systems in the U.S. They have undetectable power to (s)elect anyone they wish, for just about any office, including president. Obama hasn't done much to offend the far right but if they do replace him with Bush Junta II, an oil war in South America may be one result. This may also depend on whether Chavez regains his health. He has cancer and does not look well. If he does get better and wins the election next year, this may influence behind-the-scenes decisions here. Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves on earth--twice Saudi Arabia's, according to the USGS--sitting right along the southern rim of the Pentagon's "circle the wagons" area of Central America/the Caribbean. How to regain control of that oil and how to fracture and defeat the strong, widespread Leftist democracy movement that Chavez and the people of Venezuela pioneered has been Problemo No. One for U.S. policy in LatAm for over a decade. Are Obama and Panetta sincere in wanting peaceful trade on Latin American terms, or are they laying better groundwork for the Pentagon's 'Southern Command' war plan?

Some pundits have said that the Bush Junta "neglected" Latin America. Some have even blamed them for "losing" LatAm (our Corporate Rulers' "back yard")--although the blame is now being shifted to Obama (as with blame for everything else). But I don't believe that this is true. It's just that, in a democratic region such as Latin America--indeed, a region on fire with a passion for democracy--thuggism is much less effective. The Bush Junta did all sorts of anti-democracy operations in LatAm and spent billions on it. (One of their ops was helping to rig the last presidential election in Mexico--an op that was all about privatizing Mexico's oil, and, when the privatization scheme failed, they then inflicted Mexico with the vast murder and mayhem of the U.S. "war on drugs.") They were putting Pentagon assets in place for a war (including their reconstitution of the U.S. 4th Fleet--mothballed since WW II--in the Caribbean, their illegal military agreement to vastly expand the Pentagon's presence in Colombia and more.) They were not neglecting Latin America. Their methods simply failed in the face of an historic and real democracy movement. (Their horrible "war on drugs" in Mexico has prompted a commission of former presidents of Mexico to call for the legalization of marijuana and re-thinking the entire "war on drugs"--so, even where they have appeared to "succeed," they have failed). Also, I think they had a divided purpose involving Bush Cartel interests in the trillion+ dollar cocaine revenue stream.

Here is my sad and appalling conclusion: The more democratic that Latin America becomes, the more likely it is that U.S. transglobal corporations, banksters and war profiteers will become desperate to regain control of those resources and economies--desperate enough to inflict Latin America with an oil war. And with all these mooshed together U.S. fascist entities--the U.S. "security" state writ large and running rampant around the world, and with Panetta now at the Pentagon further healing the internal war (basically Rumsfeld's Pentagon vs the CIA), their efficiency at instigating war will likely improve. (Look what they did in Libya!)
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  -D.E.A. Launders Mexican Profits of Drug Cartels alp227  Dec-04-11 01:19 AM   #0 
  - One gets the impression that Washington is all over the place with their cartel policies  RZM   Dec-04-11 01:36 AM   #1 
  - DEA Agents Agree: CIA means Cocaine Importation Agency  Octafish   Dec-04-11 10:16 AM   # 
  - Octafish.please read my comment #55  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:31 PM   #56 
  - +1 again..... Thank you Octafish.  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:39 AM   #93 
  - The problem is that "Washington" isn't all one thing.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 01:37 PM   #48 
  - I was trying to intimate that fact in my headline  RZM   Dec-04-11 01:51 PM   #50 
  - Yes, but when your overall policy ie; "War on Drugs" is draconian, dysfunctional and corruptive  Uncle Joe   Dec-05-11 12:07 PM   #103 
  - It/They sure are with their "gun smuggling" operations. Pheww. nt  SteveM   Dec-04-11 02:04 PM   #51 
  - End the double standard.  Callisto32   Dec-04-11 05:19 AM   #2 
  - LMITED HANGOUT.  Zhade   Dec-04-11 05:24 AM   #3 
  - Also Plausible Deniability  MaineDeadHead   Dec-04-11 05:51 AM   #4 
  - Ain't that the truth. eom  a la izquierda   Dec-04-11 05:58 AM   #5 
  - Welcome to DU. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 07:57 AM   #8 
  - The DEA agents that I know are brave, courageous, honest,  DebJ   Dec-04-11 08:06 AM   #11 
  - RE : The DEA agents that I know are brave, courageous, honest,  TatonkaJames   Dec-04-11 10:33 AM   #25 
  - You are talking about destroying a multi billion dollar industry  zeemike   Dec-04-11 11:14 AM   #36 
  - TatonkaJames, I am SURE that there are honest DEA agents...  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 11:21 AM   #37 
  - RE: "As for legalizing drugs improving peoples lives? Answer me this"  Xicano   Dec-04-11 12:11 PM   #42 
  - Pharma Drugs kill more people than illegal drugs  TatonkaJames   Dec-04-11 01:37 PM   #47 
  - "Drugs are illegal"? Uh no.  boppers   Dec-04-11 03:53 PM   #59 
  - Well, there are several improvements legalization would make.  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 10:54 AM   #28 
  - how about all of the innocent people who have been killed  newspeak   Dec-04-11 11:10 AM   #34 
  - How in the world you think anything as corrupt and disruptive to nations and citizens as Drug War ..  defendandprotect   Dec-04-11 11:57 AM   #40 
  - +1000  DeSwiss   Dec-04-11 09:58 PM   #86 
  - DEA are scum.  Webster Green   Dec-04-11 12:42 PM   #45 
  - There is nothing wrong with defending a DEA agent  Hutzpa   Dec-04-11 03:45 PM   #57 
  - I feel the same way about the brave nurses in my family who  midnight   Dec-04-11 05:52 PM   #79 
  - No need to legaize heroin and Meth... but let's stop filling jails with non-violent Weed smokers.  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:26 PM   #81 
  - Agreed. We shouldn't lump all drugs together. Marijuana and crack are not similar. nt  limpyhobbler   Dec-04-11 11:53 PM   #89 
  - Brave.. courageous.honest...? That is stretching a lot.. not just a little...  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:58 PM   #83 
  - You and I have either met different DEA agents, or they percieve you and not me as one of "them"  saras   Dec-05-11 12:02 AM   #90 
  - sorry, all DEA are scum, they willingly are working in pursuit of a murderous, tyrannical policy  stockholmer   Dec-05-11 12:26 AM   #91 
  - Lmao. This is rich.  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:20 AM   #101 
  - The DEA and ALL of it's agents are worthless scum. They are garbage and deserve treatment as such.  Dawson Leery   Dec-06-11 12:31 PM   #112 
     - kick  Dawson Leery   Dec-07-11 09:29 PM   #119 
  - bingo  limpyhobbler   Dec-04-11 08:10 AM   #13 
  - Matthews referred to "modified limited hangout" last week, in a different context.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 06:13 AM   #6 
  - That's my read on it, too. The Bushwhacks corrupted everything they touched including the DEA.  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 10:33 AM   #26 
  - Organized crime only exists at the pleasure and with the help of elites/corps who control our  defendandprotect   Dec-04-11 10:53 PM   #88 
  - There is evidence that the CIA was active against leftist governments in LatAm.  Peace Patriot   Dec-05-11 10:18 AM   #95 
     - What CIA was doing around the world, they also did in USA ... which is why we are so damaged -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:25 AM   #96 
  - Wow! n/t  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:02 AM   #92 
  - at least.  russspeakeasy   Dec-04-11 04:28 PM   #62 
  - We must create evil in order to fight evil, except we don't really fight evil all that much, either.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 06:15 AM   #7 
  - But these tactics do end up catching some really big dealers,  DebJ   Dec-04-11 08:00 AM   #9 
  - So what?  Ezlivin   Dec-04-11 09:58 AM   #19 
  - So how do you regulate a user of cocaine, for example, one  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:13 AM   #21 
  - Do kids see their parents drink alcohol?  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 10:57 AM   #30 
  - This is an argument for the prohibition of alcohol and cigarettes and who knows what else.  JackRiddler   Dec-04-11 01:48 PM   #49 
  - Help them, don't throw them in jail.  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:18 AM   #99 
  - I want to see the big dope dealers rotting in jail cells. I  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:15 AM   #22 
  - What you're talking about  theaocp   Dec-04-11 11:12 AM   #35 
  - Presume you know that would be top government officials -- ???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:28 AM   #97 
  - "Ain't nobody's Business if you do" yes it is because it rots  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:16 AM   #23 
     - DebJ, I hear you. And I agree to this extent: We should be helping families and children  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 12:01 PM   #41 
     - What deb said reminds me of a statement by michael moore  newspeak   Dec-05-11 12:29 PM   #105 
     - Do you like and enjoy freedom?  Ezlivin   Dec-05-11 04:45 PM   #107 
  - If the DEA were effective, how does drug abuse destroy so many people?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 02:13 PM   #52 
  - Wow..  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:19 AM   #100 
  - Goodness, We Sure Are Selective About It, Aren't We?  NashVegas   Dec-05-11 12:10 PM   #104 
  - They're running guns and laundering money.  CanonRay   Dec-04-11 08:04 AM   #10 
  - Is anyone else connecting the dots here?  Le Taz Hot   Dec-04-11 08:10 AM   #12 
  - Legal dispensaries are not exactly big crime, either, are they?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 02:22 PM   #53 
  - The New York Times left out the part about....  Hotler   Dec-04-11 08:25 AM   #14 
  - of course  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 09:27 AM   #17 
  - "which banks and companies are being used by the D.E.A. to launder the money?"  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-04-11 09:41 AM   #18 
  - AND the BIGGESTbanking cartel of them all is...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 10:10 AM   #20 
  - I was wonder that. CIA running the drugs. Federal Reserve laundering it. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:42 PM   #65 
  - Thanks. That lead me to some interesting information.  Gregorian   Dec-04-11 09:45 PM   #85 
  - K/R  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:29 AM   #98 
  - Excellent point. And only scratching the surface.  JackRiddler   Dec-04-11 11:42 AM   #39 
  - but are the CEOs of these banks nervous?  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 12:58 PM   #46 
  - Viktor Bout was charged with money laundering...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:24 PM   #55 
  - Shit! I forgot about the BCCI. They know how to run drugs  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:46 PM   #66 
  - That was really deep too...  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 04:22 PM   #61 
  - Let's not forget "Sir Allen Stanford" of Houston,Texas  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 04:41 PM   #64 
     - I think he got his ass kick in prison awhile back. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:48 PM   #67 
        - Here's a few TOP links for Stanford and Bush entrerprises and a "Sir"prize,too!  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 04:57 PM   #70 
  - Remember Operation Gladio and "suicided" banker Roberto Calvi...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 05:16 PM   #73 
  - I think that was even connected to Clearstream.....  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 05:22 PM   #74 
     - Veddy interesting that so many on SCOTUS are now Opus Dei  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 06:19 PM   #80 
  - More in your face  deconstruct911   Dec-12-11 02:18 AM   #120 
     - More stuff that makes you go hmmmmm! n/t  Hotler   Dec-12-11 07:29 AM   #121 
  - The irony...  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 04:58 PM   #71 
     - That is awesome. Thank you. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 05:15 PM   #72 
  - New York Times Mexican Connection  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:50 PM   #58 
  - Catherine Austin Fitts names names.  Octafish   Dec-04-11 04:36 PM   #63 
     - +1 n/t  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:55 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 09:12 AM   #15 
  - I remember poppy bush  newspeak   Dec-04-11 10:36 AM   #27 
  - Sounds like the Reagan era  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 09:25 AM   #16 
  - I don't remember having a really good feeling about the U.S.  russspeakeasy   Dec-04-11 10:56 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 10:26 AM   #24 
  - I think you need to go further back  newspeak   Dec-04-11 11:04 AM   #32 
  - Daniel Hopsicker's ...nt  wildbilln864   Dec-04-11 11:02 AM   #31 
  - +1 n/t  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:52 PM   #68 
  - How many times must I say it?  theaocp   Dec-04-11 11:07 AM   #33 
  - The war on drugs needs to end NOW!!  Initech   Dec-04-11 11:31 AM   #38 
  - Ha! "Fight" against drug cartels. Yeah, the US fights against drug cartels  valerief   Dec-04-11 12:18 PM   #43 
  - K & R - bookmarking  Raksha   Dec-04-11 12:24 PM   #44 
  - The DEA is essentially a criminal organization, worse than the mafia.  FreeBillClinton   Dec-04-11 03:13 PM   #54 
  - and does anyone really think the "drug cartels' built those tunnels  mrarundale   Dec-04-11 04:18 PM   #60 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Dec-04-11 05:29 PM   #75 
  - Shocking.  EFerrari   Dec-04-11 05:32 PM   #76 
  - I wish I could say I'm shocked by this...  NICO9000   Dec-04-11 05:41 PM   #77 
  - PSSST !  hourglass1   Dec-04-11 05:51 PM   #78 
  - Let me ask a simple question... What if.....  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:46 PM   #82 
  - Didn't Reagan (Iran Contra) prove that DEA trades drugs for guns?  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 07:01 PM   #84 
  - Kicking cause this is a good read. eom.  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:42 AM   #94 
  - K & R. nt  bertman   Dec-04-11 09:59 PM   #87 
  - This Federal Government is self serving and out of Control  DreamSmoker   Dec-05-11 12:04 PM   #102 
  - Our Government is running illegal Guns and now Cash?  Hotler   Dec-05-11 04:55 PM   #109 
     - Since WW2 is probably very accurate  deconstruct911   Dec-05-11 06:38 PM   #110 
        - but money laundering for drugs  newspeak   Dec-06-11 09:52 AM   #111 
           - yes. the War on Drugs provides a way for terrorists to raise money  RainDog   Dec-06-11 03:15 PM   #113 
           - ...  deconstruct911   Dec-06-11 03:58 PM   #114 
              - How old is that toon? eom.  Hotler   Dec-06-11 04:07 PM   #115 
                 - I decided to find out lol  deconstruct911   Dec-06-11 07:40 PM   #117 
                    - Wow! That toon goes back to the Gary Webb stories. eom.  Hotler   Dec-06-11 07:49 PM   #118 
  - kick 4 exposure. nt  wildbilln864   Dec-05-11 04:06 PM   #106 
  - & kick again! nt  wildbilln864   Dec-06-11 05:28 PM   #116 
  - kicking n/t  Hotler   Dec-05-11 04:50 PM   #108 

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