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37. TatonkaJames, I am SURE that there are honest DEA agents...
...as well as honest FBI agents, and "Homeland Security" agents, and other honest men and women within the "military-industrial complex" and the "prison-industrial complex" involved in the U.S. "war on drugs." Many of them! But THEY are not the problem. The problem is AT THE TOP and with those above and behind those at the top, who are PROFITING from the U.S. "war on drugs" both overtly (war/prison profiteers) and covertly (TRILLIONS of dollars in illicit money).

I would NEVER make a Darwinian argument that drug addicts should be allowed to destroy themselves (and their families) as social policy. That would be as disgusting a policy as the "war on drugs" is. Drug addicts are ILL--just as alcoholics are. But criminalizing them and their "sources" is abominably bad policy. It is a FAILED policy. It helps neither drug addicts nor their families nor society as a whole. Like Prohibition, all it does is make the criminal trade more profitable and more violent--meanwhile providing the excuse to militarize our society, take away our civil rights and quell rebellion against injustice.

Just think about this for minute. The U.S. (Bush Junta) spent $7 BILLION in U.S. taxpayer money on the "war on drugs" in Colombia, with NO abeyance in the cocaine trade (and huge "collateral damage" against innocent people). The U.S. has spent a total in the TRILLIONS throughout Latin America on the same "war" and on imprisoning people here, with long sentences, most of which are for non-violent drug possession or trade. What if that money had been used instead on drug rehab, medical care, re-training, jobs programs, child care, education and creating a society in which the poor and the young feel hope in their future?

The "war on drugs" has not only WASTED all that money, it has created a situation in which really bad people--people who gained control of our government--could corrupt that "war" just as they did, for instance, in their war on Iraq, where the tip of the iceberg is the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars gone missing in Iraq!

What I'm saying is "think it through." No one is saying--and I am certainly not saying--that every DEA agent is corrupt. But the honest people in this "war" have an uphill battle (to say the least) accomplishing its stated purpose--stopping the drug trade. The reason that it's an uphill battle--indeed, in my opinion, an impossible task--is that it is a BAD and highly corruptible POLICY, run by people who themselves are NOT ON THE LINE--they are fatcats sending DEA agents and others out to fight a battle that can't be won and some of them--particularly Bush Junta leaders and operatives--PROFIT from the drug trade being ILLEGAL. They profit directly (in war contracts) and indirectly (in corruption, diverting trillions of illicit dollars through their banks and pockets).

Time to end this! Time to use our tax dollars POSITIVELY--to help people, to enhance their civil and human rights--and the only way that I can see to do this is to END criminalization of drugs and start building hospitals instead of prisons, and start healing people instead of putting them into one of these "privatized" hell-hole cells. It's time to create a positive, progressive society, not one that declares "wars" that it cannot win and then sucks up all our resources into a few fatcat empires.

Latin American leaders are moving in this direction. They see the great damage that has been done to their societies by the U.S. "war on drugs." The president of Colombia (a rightwinger but not mafia) recently said that he would support decriminalization. So have a number of other LatAm leaders--across the political spectrum. It's time. It really is--NOT to abandon drug addicts and other victims of the drug trade--but to look at the problem and address the problem in an entirely new way--one that will be more humane and one that has a chance of working.

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  -D.E.A. Launders Mexican Profits of Drug Cartels alp227  Dec-04-11 01:19 AM   #0 
  - One gets the impression that Washington is all over the place with their cartel policies  RZM   Dec-04-11 01:36 AM   #1 
  - DEA Agents Agree: CIA means Cocaine Importation Agency  Octafish   Dec-04-11 10:16 AM   # 
  - Octafish.please read my comment #55  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:31 PM   #56 
  - +1 again..... Thank you Octafish.  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:39 AM   #93 
  - The problem is that "Washington" isn't all one thing.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 01:37 PM   #48 
  - I was trying to intimate that fact in my headline  RZM   Dec-04-11 01:51 PM   #50 
  - Yes, but when your overall policy ie; "War on Drugs" is draconian, dysfunctional and corruptive  Uncle Joe   Dec-05-11 12:07 PM   #103 
  - It/They sure are with their "gun smuggling" operations. Pheww. nt  SteveM   Dec-04-11 02:04 PM   #51 
  - End the double standard.  Callisto32   Dec-04-11 05:19 AM   #2 
  - LMITED HANGOUT.  Zhade   Dec-04-11 05:24 AM   #3 
  - Also Plausible Deniability  MaineDeadHead   Dec-04-11 05:51 AM   #4 
  - Ain't that the truth. eom  a la izquierda   Dec-04-11 05:58 AM   #5 
  - Welcome to DU. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 07:57 AM   #8 
  - The DEA agents that I know are brave, courageous, honest,  DebJ   Dec-04-11 08:06 AM   #11 
  - RE : The DEA agents that I know are brave, courageous, honest,  TatonkaJames   Dec-04-11 10:33 AM   #25 
  - You are talking about destroying a multi billion dollar industry  zeemike   Dec-04-11 11:14 AM   #36 
  - TatonkaJames, I am SURE that there are honest DEA agents...  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 11:21 AM   #37 
  - RE: "As for legalizing drugs improving peoples lives? Answer me this"  Xicano   Dec-04-11 12:11 PM   #42 
  - Pharma Drugs kill more people than illegal drugs  TatonkaJames   Dec-04-11 01:37 PM   #47 
  - "Drugs are illegal"? Uh no.  boppers   Dec-04-11 03:53 PM   #59 
  - Well, there are several improvements legalization would make.  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 10:54 AM   #28 
  - how about all of the innocent people who have been killed  newspeak   Dec-04-11 11:10 AM   #34 
  - How in the world you think anything as corrupt and disruptive to nations and citizens as Drug War ..  defendandprotect   Dec-04-11 11:57 AM   #40 
  - +1000  DeSwiss   Dec-04-11 09:58 PM   #86 
  - DEA are scum.  Webster Green   Dec-04-11 12:42 PM   #45 
  - There is nothing wrong with defending a DEA agent  Hutzpa   Dec-04-11 03:45 PM   #57 
  - I feel the same way about the brave nurses in my family who  midnight   Dec-04-11 05:52 PM   #79 
  - No need to legaize heroin and Meth... but let's stop filling jails with non-violent Weed smokers.  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:26 PM   #81 
  - Agreed. We shouldn't lump all drugs together. Marijuana and crack are not similar. nt  limpyhobbler   Dec-04-11 11:53 PM   #89 
  - Brave.. courageous.honest...? That is stretching a lot.. not just a little...  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:58 PM   #83 
  - You and I have either met different DEA agents, or they percieve you and not me as one of "them"  saras   Dec-05-11 12:02 AM   #90 
  - sorry, all DEA are scum, they willingly are working in pursuit of a murderous, tyrannical policy  stockholmer   Dec-05-11 12:26 AM   #91 
  - Lmao. This is rich.  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:20 AM   #101 
  - The DEA and ALL of it's agents are worthless scum. They are garbage and deserve treatment as such.  Dawson Leery   Dec-06-11 12:31 PM   #112 
     - kick  Dawson Leery   Dec-07-11 09:29 PM   #119 
  - bingo  limpyhobbler   Dec-04-11 08:10 AM   #13 
  - Matthews referred to "modified limited hangout" last week, in a different context.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 06:13 AM   #6 
  - That's my read on it, too. The Bushwhacks corrupted everything they touched including the DEA.  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 10:33 AM   #26 
  - Organized crime only exists at the pleasure and with the help of elites/corps who control our  defendandprotect   Dec-04-11 10:53 PM   #88 
  - There is evidence that the CIA was active against leftist governments in LatAm.  Peace Patriot   Dec-05-11 10:18 AM   #95 
     - What CIA was doing around the world, they also did in USA ... which is why we are so damaged -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:25 AM   #96 
  - Wow! n/t  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:02 AM   #92 
  - at least.  russspeakeasy   Dec-04-11 04:28 PM   #62 
  - We must create evil in order to fight evil, except we don't really fight evil all that much, either.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 06:15 AM   #7 
  - But these tactics do end up catching some really big dealers,  DebJ   Dec-04-11 08:00 AM   #9 
  - So what?  Ezlivin   Dec-04-11 09:58 AM   #19 
  - So how do you regulate a user of cocaine, for example, one  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:13 AM   #21 
  - Do kids see their parents drink alcohol?  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 10:57 AM   #30 
  - This is an argument for the prohibition of alcohol and cigarettes and who knows what else.  JackRiddler   Dec-04-11 01:48 PM   #49 
  - Help them, don't throw them in jail.  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:18 AM   #99 
  - I want to see the big dope dealers rotting in jail cells. I  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:15 AM   #22 
  - What you're talking about  theaocp   Dec-04-11 11:12 AM   #35 
  - Presume you know that would be top government officials -- ???  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:28 AM   #97 
  - "Ain't nobody's Business if you do" yes it is because it rots  DebJ   Dec-04-11 10:16 AM   #23 
     - DebJ, I hear you. And I agree to this extent: We should be helping families and children  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-11 12:01 PM   #41 
     - What deb said reminds me of a statement by michael moore  newspeak   Dec-05-11 12:29 PM   #105 
     - Do you like and enjoy freedom?  Ezlivin   Dec-05-11 04:45 PM   #107 
  - If the DEA were effective, how does drug abuse destroy so many people?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 02:13 PM   #52 
  - Wow..  krabigirl   Dec-05-11 11:19 AM   #100 
  - Goodness, We Sure Are Selective About It, Aren't We?  NashVegas   Dec-05-11 12:10 PM   #104 
  - They're running guns and laundering money.  CanonRay   Dec-04-11 08:04 AM   #10 
  - Is anyone else connecting the dots here?  Le Taz Hot   Dec-04-11 08:10 AM   #12 
  - Legal dispensaries are not exactly big crime, either, are they?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 02:22 PM   #53 
  - The New York Times left out the part about....  Hotler   Dec-04-11 08:25 AM   #14 
  - of course  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 09:27 AM   #17 
  - "which banks and companies are being used by the D.E.A. to launder the money?"  dixiegrrrrl   Dec-04-11 09:41 AM   #18 
  - AND the BIGGESTbanking cartel of them all is...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 10:10 AM   #20 
  - I was wonder that. CIA running the drugs. Federal Reserve laundering it. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:42 PM   #65 
  - Thanks. That lead me to some interesting information.  Gregorian   Dec-04-11 09:45 PM   #85 
  - K/R  defendandprotect   Dec-05-11 10:29 AM   #98 
  - Excellent point. And only scratching the surface.  JackRiddler   Dec-04-11 11:42 AM   #39 
  - but are the CEOs of these banks nervous?  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 12:58 PM   #46 
  - Viktor Bout was charged with money laundering...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:24 PM   #55 
  - Shit! I forgot about the BCCI. They know how to run drugs  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:46 PM   #66 
  - That was really deep too...  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 04:22 PM   #61 
  - Let's not forget "Sir Allen Stanford" of Houston,Texas  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 04:41 PM   #64 
     - I think he got his ass kick in prison awhile back. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:48 PM   #67 
        - Here's a few TOP links for Stanford and Bush entrerprises and a "Sir"prize,too!  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 04:57 PM   #70 
  - Remember Operation Gladio and "suicided" banker Roberto Calvi...  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 05:16 PM   #73 
  - I think that was even connected to Clearstream.....  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 05:22 PM   #74 
     - Veddy interesting that so many on SCOTUS are now Opus Dei  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 06:19 PM   #80 
  - More in your face  deconstruct911   Dec-12-11 02:18 AM   #120 
     - More stuff that makes you go hmmmmm! n/t  Hotler   Dec-12-11 07:29 AM   #121 
  - The irony...  deconstruct911   Dec-04-11 04:58 PM   #71 
     - That is awesome. Thank you. eom.  Hotler   Dec-04-11 05:15 PM   #72 
  - New York Times Mexican Connection  Selena Harris   Dec-04-11 03:50 PM   #58 
  - Catherine Austin Fitts names names.  Octafish   Dec-04-11 04:36 PM   #63 
     - +1 n/t  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:55 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 09:12 AM   #15 
  - I remember poppy bush  newspeak   Dec-04-11 10:36 AM   #27 
  - Sounds like the Reagan era  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-04-11 09:25 AM   #16 
  - I don't remember having a really good feeling about the U.S.  russspeakeasy   Dec-04-11 10:56 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 10:26 AM   #24 
  - I think you need to go further back  newspeak   Dec-04-11 11:04 AM   #32 
  - Daniel Hopsicker's MadCowProd.com ...nt  wildbilln864   Dec-04-11 11:02 AM   #31 
  - +1 n/t  Hotler   Dec-04-11 04:52 PM   #68 
  - How many times must I say it?  theaocp   Dec-04-11 11:07 AM   #33 
  - The war on drugs needs to end NOW!!  Initech   Dec-04-11 11:31 AM   #38 
  - Ha! "Fight" against drug cartels. Yeah, the US fights against drug cartels  valerief   Dec-04-11 12:18 PM   #43 
  - K & R - bookmarking  Raksha   Dec-04-11 12:24 PM   #44 
  - The DEA is essentially a criminal organization, worse than the mafia.  FreeBillClinton   Dec-04-11 03:13 PM   #54 
  - and does anyone really think the "drug cartels' built those tunnels  mrarundale   Dec-04-11 04:18 PM   #60 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Dec-04-11 05:29 PM   #75 
  - Shocking.  EFerrari   Dec-04-11 05:32 PM   #76 
  - I wish I could say I'm shocked by this...  NICO9000   Dec-04-11 05:41 PM   #77 
  - PSSST !  hourglass1   Dec-04-11 05:51 PM   #78 
  - Let me ask a simple question... What if.....  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 06:46 PM   #82 
  - Didn't Reagan (Iran Contra) prove that DEA trades drugs for guns?  lib2DaBone   Dec-04-11 07:01 PM   #84 
  - Kicking cause this is a good read. eom.  Hotler   Dec-05-11 08:42 AM   #94 
  - K & R. nt  bertman   Dec-04-11 09:59 PM   #87 
  - This Federal Government is self serving and out of Control  DreamSmoker   Dec-05-11 12:04 PM   #102 
  - Our Government is running illegal Guns and now Cash?  Hotler   Dec-05-11 04:55 PM   #109 
     - Since WW2 is probably very accurate  deconstruct911   Dec-05-11 06:38 PM   #110 
        - but money laundering for drugs  newspeak   Dec-06-11 09:52 AM   #111 
           - yes. the War on Drugs provides a way for terrorists to raise money  RainDog   Dec-06-11 03:15 PM   #113 
           - ...  deconstruct911   Dec-06-11 03:58 PM   #114 
              - How old is that toon? eom.  Hotler   Dec-06-11 04:07 PM   #115 
                 - I decided to find out lol  deconstruct911   Dec-06-11 07:40 PM   #117 
                    - Wow! That toon goes back to the Gary Webb stories. eom.  Hotler   Dec-06-11 07:49 PM   #118 
  - kick 4 exposure. nt  wildbilln864   Dec-05-11 04:06 PM   #106 
  - & kick again! nt  wildbilln864   Dec-06-11 05:28 PM   #116 
  - kicking n/t  Hotler   Dec-05-11 04:50 PM   #108 
 

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