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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:19 PM
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70. Sorry, what you call being "honest here," I call several other things, none of which are positive.
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 06:31 PM by No Elephants
And I find it downright gobsmacking that you assume that someone who rejects the usefulness of illegal profiling does so only because they are not being honest.

Being honest here, someone who does not want to go through a scanner has to be searched some other way, period, regardless of age or anything else. And letting her through like greased lightning only because of illegal profiling would have been thinking very narrowly, as well as dangerously.

You are also mistaken about the odds. First, not all terrorists are Muslim extremists. Second, not all Muslim extremists are Arabs. Some are even white (or "white looking"), American born women of a "certain age." Others are Filipino, Indonesian, Hawaiian, French, British, etc.

If I wanted to smuggle something aboard any means of transportation, I WOULD choose a person least likely to fit an illegal kind of profile. Doing otherwise would be the height of foolish arrogance on my part.

I might even choose someone, say, like me. And I may not be alone in that view because someone did approach me, albeit not in an airport, but in a bus station.

Yes, there is the lone nutter. But, even assuming that all lone nutter terrorists are Muslim, not all of them can be identified as such via illegal profliling.

Indeed Richard Colvin Reid did fit any illegal terrorist profile, unless English mums and Jamaican dads of African descent add up to an Islamic jihadist profile in someone's twisted mind.

Ditto Jose Padilla, a American born man, who converted to Islam. Or maybe anyone who has ever been in prison and/or a temple anywhere in the world should be profiled, too?

Oops. does having Arab countries on your passport count? If so, I would have been guilty of traveling to some of them at several points in my life.

Illegal profiling is like leaving the barn door wide open while struggling to be meticulous about putting misquito netting on the window.

Sorry, but a propensity to think in terms of illegal profiling is far likelier to get people killed than thinking in terms of acts and omissions, what is said and unsaid, etc.

Oh, and speaking of being honest, yes, you have been nothing but positive about illegal profiling so far. If you don't want to call it sdvocating, though, fine.
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  -85-year-old says she was strip searched at JFK Judi Lynn  Dec-03-11 02:21 PM   #0 
  - Wow. How have we fallen into this weird universe. It seems like  The Wielding Truth   Dec-03-11 02:26 PM   #1 
  - Yes  Enthusiast   Dec-04-11 03:56 AM   #28 
  - How? Fear. People are so afraid of everything nowadays.  krabigirl   Dec-04-11 01:15 PM   #55 
  - That was criminal behavior on the part of the TSA. Period. n/t  CaliforniaPeggy   Dec-03-11 02:28 PM   #2 
  - Unless the story is BS  oberliner   Dec-03-11 02:40 PM   #6 
  - ... Transportation Security Administration said in a statement Saturday that no strip search was  struggle4progress   Dec-04-11 01:01 PM   #50 
     - she was playing the "Granny card" because Sonny didn't get her to the  MADem   Dec-04-11 01:17 PM   #56 
        - Granny card right, son is an arse  flpab   Dec-05-11 05:44 AM   #75 
  - Seriously - it wasn't the fault of TSA that she missed the flight -  hedgehog   Dec-03-11 02:29 PM   #3 
  - The point is that even a pat down of an 85 year old is absurd.  Marnie   Dec-03-11 08:07 PM   #20 
  - Do you support profiling passengers based on age?  oberliner   Dec-04-11 09:15 AM   #43 
  - wheels up time is not boarding time people  flpab   Dec-05-11 05:46 AM   #76 
  - I thought the headline said "85 year old says she was stripped searched by JFK"  deutsey   Dec-03-11 02:29 PM   #4 
  - The age is about right--if that was Chapter One of her memoirs! nt  MADem   Dec-03-11 02:58 PM   #10 
  - Ow.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-04-11 12:10 PM   #46 
  - lol  dipsydoodle   Dec-04-11 12:35 PM   #47 
  - Once I was injured and needed a wheelchair to go throught  BlueToTheBone   Dec-03-11 02:36 PM   #5 
  - Extraordinarily disturbing that the administration would allow such blatant violations of  indepat   Dec-03-11 02:43 PM   #7 
  - see...  shanti   Dec-06-11 02:07 AM   #85 
  - Don't complain  JJW   Dec-03-11 02:48 PM   #8 
  - LOL  gtar100   Dec-03-11 04:14 PM   #14 
  - If she had been "profiled" this never would have happened to her.  MADem   Dec-03-11 02:55 PM   #9 
  - She WAS profiled. Asking not to go through the scanner put her in a suspicious category..  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 03:06 AM   #25 
  - What I am saying, though, is that if she had been profiled in the ILLEGAL fashion,  MADem   Dec-04-11 06:23 AM   #36 
  - Sorry, what you call being "honest here," I call several other things, none of which are positive.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 06:19 PM   #70 
     - I am gobsmacked myself, because you spent all that effort yelling at me  MADem   Dec-04-11 08:09 PM   #72 
  - Lol, exerting constitutional rights now makes one suspicious. Awesome. Nt  krabigirl   Dec-04-11 01:17 PM   #57 
  - IMO we should all put up with it rather than presume  treestar   Dec-04-11 01:09 PM   #52 
  - Oh, profiling--the illegal kind that they use in Israel and elsewhere--goes way beyond that.  MADem   Dec-04-11 01:26 PM   #59 
     - Where does this info come from?  treestar   Dec-04-11 02:28 PM   #61 
        - You mean the datamining?  MADem   Dec-04-11 02:33 PM   #62 
  - racial profiling is discrimination and we shouldn't take tips from countries  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-05-11 04:19 PM   #82 
  - I've seen shocking stuff...  SoapBox   Dec-03-11 03:11 PM   #11 
  - to flight attendant  flpab   Dec-04-11 06:15 AM   #34 
  - It sounds like the govt is trying to kill the airline industry. nt  valerief   Dec-03-11 03:35 PM   #12 
  - TSA and their corporate backers could really give a shit.  gtar100   Dec-03-11 04:10 PM   #13 
  - Pathetic scared little rats ...fear the terrorist ....fuck that fear shit! ...  L0oniX   Dec-03-11 04:48 PM   #15 
  - +1  Dawson Leery   Dec-03-11 06:58 PM   #18 
  - +1, completely agree.  krabigirl   Dec-04-11 01:18 PM   #58 
  - So, how many terrorist plots have been interrupted by TSA?  HereSince1628   Dec-03-11 04:51 PM   #16 
  - Not plots as such, but  hedgehog   Dec-04-11 02:41 PM   #63 
     - Remarkably consistent numbers  HereSince1628   Dec-04-11 03:32 PM   #64 
        - it's texas  pitohui   Dec-04-11 05:51 PM   #67 
           - Yes, but it's remarkably consistent for 'rare' events  HereSince1628   Dec-05-11 06:25 AM   #78 
              - It makes perfect sense actually. If you have say, 20 guns among  hedgehog   Dec-05-11 08:18 AM   #80 
  - I think America has gone into Paranoid Schizophrenia  lovuian   Dec-03-11 05:19 PM   #17 
  - lovuian  Diclotican   Dec-04-11 05:17 AM   #31 
  - lovuian  Diclotican   Dec-04-11 05:18 AM   #32 
  - diclotican, come visit, don't let exaggerations stop you!  pitohui   Dec-04-11 05:59 PM   #68 
  - pitohui  Diclotican   Dec-05-11 06:50 AM   #79 
  - Dioclotcan you get it  lovuian   Dec-05-11 11:41 PM   #83 
  - I think Paranoid Schizophrenics are more sane  bloom   Dec-04-11 09:54 AM   #44 
  - Which is why I don't fly.  SavWriter   Dec-03-11 07:35 PM   #19 
  - TSA victims unite! nt  kgnu_fan   Dec-03-11 09:03 PM   #21 
  - How believable is this story?  oberliner   Dec-03-11 09:24 PM   #22 
  - At some point, the vast number of people who keep complaining  ThomCat   Dec-03-11 11:52 PM   #23 
  - That is true  oberliner   Dec-04-11 04:25 AM   #30 
     - It is also possible she is telling the absolute truth.  ThomCat   Dec-04-11 08:23 PM   #73 
  - TSA is Government. Would you like a short list of Government  Downwinder   Dec-04-11 03:15 AM   #26 
  - There is a pretty long list of random people making stuff up as well  oberliner   Dec-04-11 04:23 AM   #29 
     - correct  flpab   Dec-04-11 06:19 AM   #35 
        - If her mom was dying, wouldn't the ticket be recently bought?  glowing   Dec-04-11 06:53 AM   #38 
        - correct but  flpab   Dec-05-11 05:51 AM   #77 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 07:26 AM   #40 
        - I see your post downthread as well  oberliner   Dec-04-11 09:13 AM   #42 
  - There is the preconceived desire to find the TSA wrong  treestar   Dec-04-11 01:12 PM   #54 
  - the story is not even remotely believable  pitohui   Dec-04-11 06:02 PM   #69 
  - Is this acceptable so long as it's done for our "safety"? n/t  The Northerner   Dec-04-11 02:49 AM   #24 
  - If you were innocent, you wouldn't even ask that question. TERRA! TERRA! TERRA!  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 03:26 AM   #27 
  - BS on so many things...  flpab   Dec-04-11 06:13 AM   #33 
  - Hey, not to thread hijack--for whom can I get a gate pass?  MADem   Dec-04-11 06:31 AM   #37 
     - How To Get a Gate Pass at the Airport  oberliner   Dec-04-11 09:12 AM   #41 
        - I will just have to try for the "slightly different rules" scenario, then.  MADem   Dec-04-11 11:34 AM   #45 
           - I don't think special accomodations are made for rubes  oberliner   Dec-04-11 12:42 PM   #48 
              - I'm of the "If you don't ask, you're sure not to get" school of thought.  MADem   Dec-04-11 01:11 PM   #53 
  - Alien  demicritic   Dec-04-11 07:05 AM   #39 
  - Must be a  femrap   Dec-04-11 12:58 PM   #49 
  - At what age should one be exempt?  treestar   Dec-04-11 01:08 PM   #51 
  - Enhanced patdowns are punitive. They are intended to be so unpleasant that  tblue37   Dec-04-11 01:48 PM   #60 
  - How does TSA know that there was not strip search?  LisaL   Dec-04-11 03:37 PM   #65 
  - that what she SAYS, all right  pitohui   Dec-04-11 05:44 PM   #66 
  - this is just stupid. But then I was groped by TSA when accompanied by my sis-in-law & two teenagers  wordpix   Dec-04-11 08:08 PM   #71 
  - so TSA should only grope people who look atypically american?  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-05-11 04:14 PM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-11 08:27 PM   #74 
  - Micro-infringements>  survivorista   Dec-06-11 01:54 AM   #84 

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