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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:55 AM
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18. No, they really weren't.
Under wide receiver (pre-2008):

ATF attempted to interdict the guns.

ATF attempted to track the guns.

ATF attempted to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF informed Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF informed their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.

Under fast and furious:

ATF made no attempt to interdict the guns.

ATF made no attempt to track the guns.

ATF made no attempt to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF actually purchased some guns which they apparently transferred to traffickers.

ATF did not inform Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF did not inform their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.




The only question I have is:

In what sort of fantasy land are those two operations even remotely able to be characterized as "the same thing"?

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  -Darrell Issa not joining calls for Eric Holder to quit over Fast and Furious alp227  Dec-02-11 09:35 PM   #0 
  - Of course he won't. He wants Holder to stay right where he is.  TheWraith   Dec-02-11 09:38 PM   #1 
  - article says nothing about what caused Issa's change of mind - F&F goes back to BushCo days  wordpix   Dec-02-11 09:42 PM   #2 
  - Except for that whole  Abq_Sarah   Dec-02-11 10:00 PM   #8 
     - maybe because the leftover bush/rove sops couldn't handle any oversight  certainot   Dec-02-11 10:10 PM   #10 
  - Occam's Razor says you're right. n/t  Psephos   Dec-02-11 09:43 PM   #3 
  - Issa's after bigger fish.  razorman   Dec-02-11 09:44 PM   #4 
  - ISSA is the  Iliyah   Dec-02-11 09:55 PM   #5 
  - Issa is a "big fish" himself .  jaysunb   Dec-02-11 09:55 PM   #6 
     - somehow, the scams and arson just weren't enough to put him in jail  wordpix   Dec-02-11 09:58 PM   #7 
  - FandF is another in a long line of BS that only exists because the left ignores talk radio  certainot   Dec-02-11 10:06 PM   #9 
  - +infinity!!!!!!!!!!!  BumRushDaShow   Dec-03-11 07:42 AM   #14 
  - Did Holder allow the guns to be trafficked? If so, why?  earcandle   Dec-02-11 10:52 PM   #11 
  - It's not really clear right now.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 01:02 PM   #21 
  - I say, we need an Occupy Issa...  SoapBox   Dec-03-11 12:13 AM   #12 
  - Issa's district, California's 49th, is a heavily red one though.  alp227   Dec-03-11 12:16 AM   #13 
     - Plus he's insanely wealthy.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 01:03 PM   #22 
  - As long as the Administration is closing dispensaries, not much else matters.  MindPilot   Dec-03-11 09:06 AM   #15 
  - That's because the ATF was doing the same thing under Bush - and Issa is protecting his own  jpak   Dec-03-11 09:33 AM   #16 
  - No, they really weren't.  beevul   Dec-04-11 11:55 AM   #18 
     - Yes they really were - and Bush sucks  jpak   Dec-04-11 11:57 AM   #19 
        - Obviously bush sucks, but no, fast and furious and WR were by no means the same - and this proves it  beevul   Dec-04-11 12:38 PM   #20 
  - I hate having to agree withy Issa about anything. nt  bemildred   Dec-03-11 01:08 PM   #17 
 

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