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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:10 AM
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117. The way the system seems to work now...
is that managers get huge bonuses for coming up with insanely short production schedules for projects. They browbeat the computer people (my husband is a DBA) into working long hours and weekends to meet these ridiculous targets.

If the targets are met, the managers collect their big bonuses, while the IT workers get zip. Not even a thank you these days. My husband's company is known for being an unusually nasty place to work, and he's been looking.

At his job level, he's considered exempt and always has been. He works for a company that contracts with a federal government agency. Previously he worked many years at Fannie Mae and took early retirement instead of staying on and eventually getting laid off. Fannie had a pretty similar system of creating unrealistic targets and browbeating IT people into working long hours, but at least managers gave the workers $100 and an emailed thank you while collecting their $50,000 bonuses. It's probably changed there too.

The work culture in corporations seems to have become one where managers can do pretty much whatever they want to their staffs and get away with it. And nobody dares to complain for fear of losing their job and not being able to find another one. In addition, a lot of working IT people these days are here from overseas on H1-B visas and don't dare complain. Because these folks don't dare make waves, and because everyone knows how hard it is to get a decent paying job now, there is very little dissent against rotten management people.
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  -Bill would end overtime pay requirement for many more IT workers jayfish  Dec-02-11 11:47 AM   #0 
  - Kay needs to be replaced...  midnight   Dec-02-11 11:50 AM   #1 
  - A lot of them do. Then, when they are out looking for jobs  davidwparker   Dec-02-11 12:24 PM   #13 
  - A bipartisan effort to keep all the winnings for themselves..  midnight   Dec-02-11 02:41 PM   #32 
  - IT workers can shutdown the world if they wanted to.  Blaq Dem   Dec-03-11 01:27 PM   #129 
  - You sir are an optomist  Big_Mike   Dec-03-11 01:32 PM   #130 
  - I agree - Kay Hagan should not be called a Democrat  slay   Dec-02-11 02:57 PM   #36 
     - A good Democrat does not attack the right to overtime  Gman   Dec-02-11 04:05 PM   #52 
     - How many good democrats...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-11 05:29 PM   #72 
        - maybe  frylock   Dec-02-11 06:43 PM   #90 
     - Haven't seen one stance yet from this woman that resembled a Democrat. n/t  ProfessionalLeftist   Dec-02-11 06:53 PM   #92 
        - Hagen is the 1%  Bluenorthwest   Dec-03-11 07:16 AM   #113 
  - Most IT jobs don't pay overtime...  bcool   Dec-02-11 11:51 AM   #2 
  - IT workers who are paid with an annual salary don't get overtime, but...  Eric J in MN   Dec-02-11 11:58 AM   #6 
  - Being eligible for overtime pay has little to do with how your employer pays you.  jayfish   Dec-02-11 12:45 PM   #17 
  - In this case, it actually does  jeff47   Dec-02-11 05:08 PM   #67 
  - I have been paid overtime in ZERO salaried positions...  DWilliamsamh   Dec-02-11 08:40 PM   #103 
  - +10000  geardaddy   Dec-02-11 03:28 PM   #42 
  - I think this law would affect me, I would lose overtime pay...  limpyhobbler   Dec-02-11 04:00 PM   #47 
  - My husband has worked in IT for over 30 years  LiberalEsto   Dec-02-11 04:11 PM   #56 
  - Any employee that is FLSA exempt can request an audit from the DOL  Major Nikon   Dec-02-11 05:08 PM   #66 
  - interesting  LiberalEsto   Dec-02-11 05:12 PM   #69 
  - my husband is a programmer and has always been paid overtime  pitohui   Dec-02-11 06:06 PM   #86 
     - My husband is a database administrator  LiberalEsto   Dec-03-11 09:16 AM   #118 
  - started in 1991  Samba   Dec-02-11 08:01 PM   #97 
  - "Despite the lack of specific education, professional certifications etc."?  boppers   Dec-02-11 10:49 PM   #108 
  - The way the system seems to work now...  LiberalEsto   Dec-03-11 09:10 AM   #117 
     - That is downright sickening.  Enthusiast   Dec-03-11 09:36 AM   #120 
  - If they are SALARIED workers you are right  DWilliamsamh   Dec-02-11 08:35 PM   #102 
  - I just posted about this...many IT jobs...  CoffeeCat   Dec-02-11 10:56 PM   #110 
  - Broken link.  uberblonde   Dec-02-11 11:52 AM   #3 
  - Fixed. -NT-  jayfish   Dec-02-11 11:57 AM   #5 
  - Overtime pay, in IT? Since when?  tridim   Dec-02-11 11:55 AM   #4 
  - I used to get it, a long time ago. I believe the rules changed in about 1996.  slackmaster   Dec-02-11 12:17 PM   #10 
  - "Maybe this new BS will help get IT professionals to finally unionize."  MilesColtrane   Dec-02-11 03:04 PM   #37 
  - Unionizing geeks isn't going to happen  jeff47   Dec-02-11 05:14 PM   #70 
  - I don't think it's Objectivism, so much as libertarian-ism.  boppers   Dec-02-11 10:53 PM   #109 
  - my husband gets overtime as a programmer  pitohui   Dec-02-11 06:08 PM   #87 
  - I am in IT  AldebTX   Dec-02-11 12:02 PM   #7 
  - Your employer choosing not to pay you for overtime does not make you an exempt employee.  jayfish   Dec-02-11 01:21 PM   #23 
  - Many are  Major Nikon   Dec-02-11 05:09 PM   #68 
  - well a lot of computer guys have poor negotiating/social skills  pitohui   Dec-02-11 06:12 PM   #88 
  - Are you salaried?  Xithras   Dec-02-11 03:55 PM   #45 
     - wall-mart got busted for that  ThomThom   Dec-02-11 05:33 PM   #74 
     - They have exempt and non-exempt salaried employees  socialindependocrat   Dec-03-11 08:06 AM   #115 
  - Hagan's a Democrat...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-02-11 12:13 PM   #8 
  - Excellent way to make workers into wage slaves and increase unemployment.  toddwv   Dec-02-11 12:14 PM   #9 
  - this Government is ANTI WORKER  lovuian   Dec-02-11 12:17 PM   #11 
  - We're a majoritarian system...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-02-11 12:23 PM   #12 
  - That is an enormous simplification of the current state of affairs.  Muskypundit   Dec-02-11 12:38 PM   #14 
  - This is a cop-out.  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-02-11 01:04 PM   #21 
  - Right -- public wants to get rid of the Post Office -- ???? ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 05:39 PM   #77 
  - Exactly. For decades, since Reagan, the right has been fucking up the economy  RaleighNCDUer   Dec-02-11 03:56 PM   #46 
     - +1000% --- "left/liberal nation, in grips of a right/fascist oligarchy which owns the media" --  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 05:41 PM   #78 
     - + a brazillion!  Enthusiast   Dec-03-11 09:41 AM   #122 
  - How much a person gets to talk to a politician depends on the size of the donation.  Eric J in MN   Dec-02-11 12:44 PM   #15 
  - If you put 40,000 persons in their district office, they'd listen.  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-02-11 01:01 PM   #20 
     - If you put 40k in their district office they'd pepper spray them then arrest.  zogofzorkon   Dec-02-11 01:26 PM   #24 
     - No city in America could do that, not even New York.  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-03-11 01:17 PM   #128 
     - Have you noticed at all that since Nixon's regime the object is to deceive and destroy elections . .  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 05:44 PM   #79 
     - Al Gore  sulphurdunn   Dec-02-11 05:47 PM   #81 
        - 300,000,000 million American...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-03-11 01:12 PM   #126 
           - I don't think so.  sulphurdunn   Dec-03-11 02:16 PM   #131 
  - I doubt that Senator Hagan ran on a platform of cutting overtime pay for IT workers  limpyhobbler   Dec-02-11 04:10 PM   #55 
  - I would make a very similar guess.  Maineman   Dec-02-11 04:39 PM   #58 
  - You think we have "free elections" --- ???? ROFL  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 05:36 PM   #75 
  - Absolutely right.  Go2Peace   Dec-02-11 08:03 PM   #99 
  - Theft, on any scale....  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-03-11 01:15 PM   #127 
  - I don't believe that anymore. There is little "Representation" left  Go2Peace   Dec-02-11 08:02 PM   #98 
  - Wonderful response. " You pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"  midnight   Dec-02-11 02:38 PM   #31 
     - We need a huge slow down by workers -- all together -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 05:46 PM   #80 
  - There are four co-sponsors to the bill, three of them are Republicans  apnu   Dec-02-11 12:44 PM   #16 
  - Michael Bennet CO - D?  paulk   Dec-02-11 02:43 PM   #34 
     - That was a big WTF for me too.  Autumn   Dec-02-11 05:48 PM   #82 
     - there is nothing, absolutely nothing  paulk   Dec-02-11 07:57 PM   #96 
     - hmmm..... sad -- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-02-11 09:04 PM   #105 
  - It seems congress has no problems cutting wages for hourly workers  Angry Dragon   Dec-02-11 12:50 PM   #18 
  - ''.....and it was put forth by a Democrat.''  DeSwiss   Dec-02-11 12:58 PM   #19 
  - She's from NC which has Charlotte - one of the biggest banking cities  dballance   Dec-02-11 01:19 PM   #22 
  - ...and Research Triangle Park! n/t  pkdu   Dec-02-11 05:28 PM   #71 
  - IT workers have been everybody's favorite whipping boys/girls for the past 10 years. nt  stevenleser   Dec-02-11 02:03 PM   # 
  - yeah we put you in the exec class so u can work MORE for LESS  katty   Dec-02-11 02:03 PM   #25 
  - Screwing IT AGAIN  nahant   Dec-02-11 02:06 PM   #26 
  - No doubt, she probably represents ...  aggiesal   Dec-02-11 02:06 PM   #27 
  - Kay Hagan is a Senator, and so she represents all of NC. (NT)  Eric J in MN   Dec-02-11 02:28 PM   #29 
     - Oooops, my bad, ...  aggiesal   Dec-03-11 11:34 AM   #125 
  - India and we come!  SoapBox   Dec-02-11 02:13 PM   #28 
  - Isn't it great to finally see bipartisan efforts from the Senate?  Judi Lynn   Dec-02-11 02:31 PM   #30 
  - What the heck? Why should anyone who is not salaried be exempt from OT pay?  AllyCat   Dec-02-11 02:41 PM   #33 
  - They need to strengthen, not weaken worker protections  quakerboy   Dec-02-11 02:48 PM   #35 
  - A bi-partisan effort to cut the income of IT workers but no bi-partisan effort to make it easier for  Citizen Worker   Dec-02-11 03:10 PM   # 
  - A bi-partisan effort to cut the income of IT workers but no bi-partisan effort to make it easier for  Citizen Worker   Dec-02-11 03:10 PM   #38 
  - They are underpaid as it is  socialindependocrat   Dec-02-11 03:15 PM   #39 
  - WTF! n/t  Hotler   Dec-02-11 03:22 PM   #40 
  - I can't believe this. What is the ultimate goal,  jimmydwight   Dec-02-11 03:25 PM   #41 
  - Oh crap, look at what someone entered on her Wikipedia bio!  wxgeek7   Dec-02-11 03:36 PM   #43 
  - that's hilarious n/t  MrsBrady   Dec-02-11 03:46 PM   #44 
  - It's after 5 pm ET and it is still there!  BumRushDaShow   Dec-02-11 04:04 PM   #51 
  - the truth should stay there!! what a crap dem  lunasun   Dec-02-11 08:47 PM   #104 
  - Ain't that the truth!  RoccoR5955   Dec-02-11 04:50 PM   #63 
  - Ain't that the truth!  RoccoR5955   Dec-02-11 04:50 PM   #64 
  - With "friends" like this, who needs enemies? n/t  OhioChick   Dec-02-11 04:02 PM   #48 
  - Don't fuck with the people who handle your food and database security  inademv   Dec-02-11 04:03 PM   #49 
  - I would expect Walmart would reclassify all their employees  Gman   Dec-02-11 04:03 PM   #50 
  - I haven't seen an hourly IT job in years.  Recursion   Dec-02-11 04:09 PM   #53 
  - Our government just keeps walking backwards.  gtar100   Dec-02-11 04:09 PM   #54 
  - There are contracting shops (like Collabera)  catrose   Dec-02-11 04:37 PM   #57 
  - How long before they make almost every occupation exempt?  Hugabear   Dec-02-11 04:43 PM   #59 
  - Another giveaway to the rich...........  Swede Atlanta    Dec-02-11 04:45 PM   #60 
  - I wouldn't count on it  47of74   Dec-02-11 06:28 PM   #89 
     - Did he ever really have a spine? nt.  Fokker Trip   Dec-03-11 06:13 AM   #112 
  - Figures it comes from someone in a Right to Work for LESS State!  RoccoR5955   Dec-02-11 04:46 PM   #61 
  - Let's find out if she has accepted campaign contributions from Microsoft, for starters  Missy Vixen   Dec-02-11 04:49 PM   #62 
  - The assault on workers continues  mokawanis   Dec-02-11 04:50 PM   #65 
  - Everyone needs to wake up...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-02-11 05:32 PM   #73 
  - WTF?????  goforit   Dec-02-11 05:37 PM   #76 
  - That the great thing about Congress these days.  Turbineguy   Dec-02-11 05:57 PM   #83 
  - oh hell -- tell me again why there shouldn't be a move to clean OUT Congress?  Donnachaidh   Dec-02-11 06:03 PM   #84 
  - Just called one of her staffers in DC.  mwooldri   Dec-02-11 06:05 PM   #85 
  - I'll help get her out! Damn! Republican Light!!  Duval   Dec-02-11 06:44 PM   #91 
  - Unacceptable. This is sorta like "pepper spraying" workers.  DaveJ   Dec-02-11 06:54 PM   #93 
  - I worked IT from 1974 to 2010, both salaried and hourly, and I never got overtime.  MgtPA   Dec-02-11 07:16 PM   #94 
  - You got taken.  Go2Peace   Dec-02-11 08:14 PM   #100 
  - workers of the 22'nd century, of all colors, replace the black slaves of the  MarkCharles   Dec-02-11 07:46 PM   #95 
  - A so called Democrat did this or is trying to end workers rights  INdemo   Dec-02-11 08:15 PM   #101 
  - She's from NC.....  ingac70   Dec-03-11 09:36 AM   #119 
  - There are many variables  klook   Dec-02-11 10:18 PM   #106 
  - This may be why this is happening...  CoffeeCat   Dec-02-11 10:46 PM   #107 
  - I've been in IT since 1970, as a tech, instructor and analyst and  Synicus Maximus   Dec-02-11 11:01 PM   #111 
  - Note also more Indian and Chinese are being brought in---they will work long hours and get no  McCamy Taylor   Dec-03-11 07:40 AM   #114 
  - I'm in IT and Exempt so nothing changes for me.  TNLib   Dec-03-11 08:51 AM   #116 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-03-11 09:37 AM   #121 
  - I, for one, am outraged for the Indian people!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-03-11 09:55 AM   #123 
  - Funny story  Hamlette   Dec-03-11 11:09 AM   #124 
  - Where's the "funny?"  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-03-11 04:25 PM   #132 
  - Thank you Kay Hagan  The Gunslinger   Dec-05-11 11:18 AM   #133 

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