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Sat Dec-03-11 02:47 AM
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Holiday hiring is far from limited to retail. However, I am sure they take that into account when they do their adjusting.
After three years of these economic times, the cumulative number of "discouraged" workers must be huge. 315,000 in November 2011 alone (versus 120,000 new jobs). So, I would not assume that actual net unemployment has decreased.
This thread (as merged) has a lot of good info and links that seem to say it has not decreased.
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| -Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009 |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-02-11 07:37 AM |
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I should be really happy for those who are working... and I am |
OKNancy |
Dec-02-11 07:51 AM |
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With the number of new weekly claims edging above 400K for |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-02-11 08:31 AM |
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Shhhh. Facts only spoil the celebration. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:08 AM |
#24 |
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Serious question |
Yupster |
Dec-02-11 09:54 AM |
#39 |
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Definition of discouraged worker |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 10:03 AM |
#43 |
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Actually, |
chervilant |
Dec-02-11 11:46 AM |
#68 |
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Sorry to hear your circumstances. Hope things improve for you in 2012. |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 12:11 PM |
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Thank you so much! |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:01 PM |
#133 |
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I'm so sorry. |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 12:39 PM |
#76 |
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Hugs |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:02 PM |
#134 |
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You are very welcome. |
Beacool |
Dec-04-11 09:54 AM |
#149 |
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So very sorry. Wishing something turns for you. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:17 AM |
#108 |
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Actually, |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:05 PM |
#135 |
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Thank you for telling me that. I am so glad that you found something positive. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 04:59 AM |
#137 |
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My brother in law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-02-11 12:43 PM |
#77 |
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Or a 33-year old who after 2 years of looking for work |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:30 PM |
#82 |
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No. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:13 AM |
#107 |
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You are correct. Yet a lot of people at DU will jump on this as "good news" |
totodeinhere |
Dec-02-11 11:21 AM |
#63 |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. |
tabasco |
Dec-02-11 10:01 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 10:55 PM |
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120,000 jobs, but 315,000 stopped looking, so the unemployment rate only APPEARED to go down. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:20 AM |
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Yes, it's much better when the unemployment rate goes up! |
tabasco |
Dec-03-11 08:47 AM |
#125 |
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No, it's much better when the real unemployment rate goes down. That isn't happening. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-03-11 01:05 PM |
#127 |
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In your world, what does "only APPEARED to go down" mean? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 04:54 AM |
#136 |
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There was no spin involved. Just look at the statistics about what really happened. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-03-11 01:04 PM |
#126 |
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O, Goodie! |
chervilant |
Dec-04-11 08:47 AM |
#146 |
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If anyone has noticed, we're getting a lot of "cheery" news ... while the opposite seems to be |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-11 12:04 AM |
#105 |
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kick |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:41 AM |
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Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November; payroll employment rises by 120,000 |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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Prior to an election, I'm not surprised to see unemplyment fall and the stock market go up |
DaveJ |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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I don't think actual unemployment has fallen. What the feds report is a different |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:21 AM |
#110 |
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Define actual unemployment. All U rates declined |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:33 PM |
#132 |
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According to which underlying data, though? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:07 AM |
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I've seen 117 and I REstate - local reports are not reflected, at all, in BLS rates |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 12:43 PM |
#150 |
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So the republicans stopping Obama idea |
Turbineguy |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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You might want to read the entire thread. It has some pretty good info. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:23 AM |
#111 |
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its probably just seasonal jobs. after jan, youll see the UE back up n/t |
JesterCS |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
#7 |
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boo hoo hoo |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
#8 |
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You may want to read the thread. But only if you want facts. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:18 AM |
#31 |
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I'm glad to see you are consistent with this nonsense across more than just the gungeon subforum. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-02-11 10:27 AM |
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Supposedly, the stat is adjusted for seasonal factors, but this thread has several very good posts |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:30 AM |
#112 |
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The adjusted and non-adjusted rates are in A-15. Nonadjusted is even better |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:06 AM |
#45 |
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Please read the thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:37 AM |
#113 |
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Please tell me what I missed. My statement is 100% accurate. |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:30 PM |
#131 |
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Again, please read the thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:24 AM |
#140 |
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Already have. Again what did I miss or get wrong? Can you not spell it out, or just not find it? |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:00 PM |
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EVERY measure in A-15 improved though.... |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:04 AM |
#44 |
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And watch it magically jump back to 9% come January... |
Jon Ace |
Dec-02-11 11:51 PM |
#104 |
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Breaking News: Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November |
Javaman |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Holiday hiring? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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I don't think that would show up yet. |
bigworld |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Not in results for November? Why not? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Seasonal hiring WOULD show up in November, and BLS stats are... |
MarkCharles |
Dec-02-11 08:46 AM |
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Thanks. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:47 AM |
#114 |
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added 120,000 new jobs |
INdemo |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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BLS.gov website is crashed |
bigworld |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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The numbers for holiday hiring are not included into this... |
SKKY |
Dec-02-11 10:20 AM |
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I blame Obama for this horrible news |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Oh yeah - no doom for you |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Talking to yourself on a message board? 300,000 stopped looking. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:08 AM |
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And they are included in U-6 which also declined. |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:07 AM |
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That is not surprising, given the economy of last three years. If 315,000 |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:53 AM |
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What about the 378000 no longer PT but wanting FT? |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:25 PM |
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Lol |
Muskypundit |
Dec-02-11 09:48 AM |
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wait, three times as many people gave up looking as were hired? |
phantom power |
Dec-02-11 08:49 AM |
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Almost. About 300,000 gave up looking and 120, 000 jobs were added. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:05 AM |
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I remember how the Bush administration used to |
INdemo |
Dec-02-11 09:51 AM |
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Never happened. Benefits have ZERO impact on the unemployment rate. |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:08 AM |
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The myth that dropping off unemployment means you aren't counted |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:49 PM |
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Please see Reply 117, |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:08 AM |
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Reply 117 proves what I said |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:02 PM |
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I know - Koresh knows why when it's corrected many times every month. nt |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:28 PM |
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Not the benefits themselves, but the unemployment rates reported by states and local entities |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:06 AM |
#117 |
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No they do not - the methodology is in the link |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:27 PM |
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? One of the links cites several sources of info used, of which a survey is only one. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:21 AM |
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Bullshit - the BLS data is ONLY survey-based. They mention other REPORTS that use benefits |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:03 PM |
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+1000, thank you for being a voice of reason |
stockholmer |
Dec-02-11 11:15 AM |
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Agree. If we were using the same measures we used during the Depression, |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:58 AM |
#116 |
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baby boomers retiring. n/t |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-02-11 09:29 AM |
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Somehow, I don't think so. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:30 AM |
#141 |
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Some additional numbers: |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 08:53 AM |
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Welcome to DU. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:14 AM |
#28 |
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Ha-ha, thanks, I didn't expect "way to go" but I may have been a bit |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 11:14 AM |
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You're welcome! |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:34 AM |
#142 |
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welcome to du........ |
madrchsod |
Dec-02-11 09:20 AM |
#32 |
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Thanks!!! n/t |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 11:17 AM |
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I'm with you |
SixthSense |
Dec-02-11 09:34 AM |
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Hey thanks for stopping by. |
demgrrrll |
Dec-02-11 09:54 AM |
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You have to caveat that. |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 11:09 AM |
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Did it last month? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:43 AM |
#143 |
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GOPers love to cook books. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-02-11 08:56 AM |
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I'm so glad to know people are happily employed and making decent wages |
tawadi |
Dec-02-11 09:02 AM |
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The Republican jaws dropped even lower nt |
cmd |
Dec-02-11 09:09 AM |
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numbers are a fraud |
SixthSense |
Dec-02-11 09:11 AM |
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+1 |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-02-11 09:13 AM |
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As a former business partner of mine used to say "figure lie and liars figure." |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:17 AM |
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Absolutely. |
jeanmarc |
Dec-02-11 10:23 AM |
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Don't worry, the GOP ... |
Cigar11 |
Dec-02-11 09:16 AM |
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Let the super duper manipulation begin! |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 09:38 AM |
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I don't know who is more disappointed in this news, the GOP |
Itchinjim |
Dec-02-11 09:52 AM |
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I'll go with the DU doom and gloomers. |
demgrrrll |
Dec-02-11 09:55 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Dec-04-11 08:51 AM |
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Ah yes, the DUgds. That's us, you nailed it right there. Yes you did. |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 10:18 AM |
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Glad that you are not bitter about things, like the other doom and gloomers. |
geckosfeet |
Dec-02-11 10:48 AM |
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I always like to be on the sunny side of the street, like this report. |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 11:07 AM |
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AMEN! You speak for me and many, many other Americans. |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 12:03 PM |
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I have been doing that exact job for close to 13 years |
Occulus |
Dec-04-11 09:18 AM |
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+1 |
paulk |
Dec-02-11 01:40 PM |
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Some here would complain if the unemployment rate were 4% |
Democat |
Dec-03-11 01:18 AM |
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Denial often makes folks happier. In fact, that's often why they choose it. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:14 AM |
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Congratulations to those that found jobs. eom. |
Hotler |
Dec-02-11 09:57 AM |
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I guess I will look like a part of these "good statistics" when my UI is up in January! |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 10:18 AM |
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unemployment in my area is UP, not down! |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 10:22 AM |
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The unemployment numbers have nothing to do with unemployment insurance payments. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:54 PM |
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how do they know you are seeking employment if you aren't getting unemployment? |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 03:56 PM |
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They ask...it's a survey, not a count. n/t |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 09:56 PM |
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Do you have a link? |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:11 AM |
#119 |
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Good News |
Johnny2X2X |
Dec-02-11 10:24 AM |
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just don't look behind the curtain |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:37 AM |
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That's because, behind the curtain, you will find,,,, |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:55 AM |
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yes |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:51 PM |
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Ya have to know how to "read" numbers |
zipplewrath |
Dec-02-11 10:47 AM |
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This thread contains a lot of good info about the BLS numbers. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:22 AM |
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Rick Scott Governor of Florida is already taking credit - he wants to break unions |
2Design |
Dec-02-11 11:26 AM |
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"More than 1/2 of falling rate was result of people dropping out of the labor force." |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 11:37 AM |
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According to the BLS website, the survey of households (who is surveyed, btw?) is only |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:19 AM |
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Of note, |
chervilant |
Dec-02-11 11:37 AM |
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Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009 |
sc518387 |
Dec-02-11 11:41 AM |
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Teenagers should be in school |
julian09 |
Dec-02-11 01:36 PM |
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I suspect the Black Caucus reminds him. (And I loves me some members of the |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:49 AM |
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But,,,,, |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:53 AM |
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Yes, it includes people looking for work who have run out of benefits. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:56 PM |
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I am not a part of the numbers |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:29 PM |
#103 |
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It woudl be very interesting to know whom BLS DOES survey every month and how they know |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:40 AM |
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No, it is not a myth. Please see Reply 117 and the BLS website generally. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:38 AM |
#123 |
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sure it did |
fascisthunter |
Dec-02-11 11:59 AM |
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Get that shit outta here! This is DU dammit! |
cottonseed |
Dec-02-11 11:59 AM |
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The numbers are somewhat disingenuous |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 12:35 PM |
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I don't see how those two graphs can be spun as good news by ANYONE |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:32 PM |
#84 |
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Yep, that it is............ |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 02:49 PM |
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for what a real economist say 's about the report |
wobblie |
Dec-02-11 12:46 PM |
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In SPITE of repug interference. |
louis-t |
Dec-02-11 01:16 PM |
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In SPITE of repug interference. |
louis-t |
Dec-02-11 01:16 PM |
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That is all happy horse shit. Most of it is form the size of the labor pool shrinking.. |
pam4water |
Dec-02-11 01:28 PM |
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The labor force has been shrinking since around year 2000. |
DCBob |
Dec-02-11 05:10 PM |
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I don't get these numbers. Every day it's different news |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:29 PM |
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HELLO |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:52 PM |
#100 |
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Much as I'm ready for some good news |
DFW |
Dec-02-11 01:32 PM |
#83 |
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I like this one. |
Kingofalldems |
Dec-02-11 01:37 PM |
#86 |
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Someone is frightened enough to turn the trillions they have been holding |
nineteen50 |
Dec-02-11 01:38 PM |
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This thread illustrates to me that any number... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-02-11 03:03 PM |
#93 |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Dec-02-11 03:35 PM |
#94 |
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Good news. I think the people giving up.. |
mvd |
Dec-02-11 11:15 PM |
#102 |
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Not another political propaganda |
demicritic |
Dec-04-11 07:18 AM |
#145 |
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