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80. That is all happy horse shit. Most of it is form the size of the labor pool shrinking..
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  -Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009 dipsydoodle  Dec-02-11 07:37 AM   #0 
  - I should be really happy for those who are working... and I am  OKNancy   Dec-02-11 07:51 AM   #1 
  - With the number of new weekly claims edging above 400K for  coalition_unwilling   Dec-02-11 08:31 AM   #2 
  - Shhhh. Facts only spoil the celebration.  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:08 AM   #24 
  - Serious question  Yupster   Dec-02-11 09:54 AM   #39 
  - Definition of discouraged worker  pinqy   Dec-02-11 10:03 AM   #43 
  - Actually,  chervilant   Dec-02-11 11:46 AM   #68 
  - Sorry to hear your circumstances. Hope things improve for you in 2012.  Divernan   Dec-02-11 12:11 PM   #74 
  - Thank you so much!  chervilant   Dec-03-11 10:01 PM   #133 
  - I'm so sorry.  Beacool   Dec-02-11 12:39 PM   #76 
  - Hugs  chervilant   Dec-03-11 10:02 PM   #134 
     - You are very welcome.  Beacool   Dec-04-11 09:54 AM   #149 
  - So very sorry. Wishing something turns for you.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:17 AM   #108 
     - Actually,  chervilant   Dec-03-11 10:05 PM   #135 
        - Thank you for telling me that. I am so glad that you found something positive.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 04:59 AM   #137 
  - My brother in law  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-02-11 12:43 PM   #77 
  - Or a 33-year old who after 2 years of looking for work  Doctor_J   Dec-02-11 01:30 PM   #82 
  - No.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:13 AM   #107 
  - You are correct. Yet a lot of people at DU will jump on this as "good news"  totodeinhere   Dec-02-11 11:21 AM   #63 
  - HAHAHAHAHAHA.  tabasco   Dec-02-11 10:01 PM   #98 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-11 10:55 PM   #101 
     - 120,000 jobs, but 315,000 stopped looking, so the unemployment rate only APPEARED to go down.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:20 AM   #109 
     - Yes, it's much better when the unemployment rate goes up!  tabasco   Dec-03-11 08:47 AM   #125 
        - No, it's much better when the real unemployment rate goes down. That isn't happening. n/t  totodeinhere   Dec-03-11 01:05 PM   #127 
        - In your world, what does "only APPEARED to go down" mean?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 04:54 AM   #136 
     - There was no spin involved. Just look at the statistics about what really happened. n/t  totodeinhere   Dec-03-11 01:04 PM   #126 
     - O, Goodie!  chervilant   Dec-04-11 08:47 AM   #146 
  - If anyone has noticed, we're getting a lot of "cheery" news ... while the opposite seems to be  defendandprotect   Dec-03-11 12:04 AM   #105 
  - kick  jpak   Dec-02-11 08:41 AM   #3 
  - Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November; payroll employment rises by 120,000  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-02-11 08:42 AM   #4 
  - Prior to an election, I'm not surprised to see unemplyment fall and the stock market go up  DaveJ   Dec-02-11 08:42 AM   #5 
  - I don't think actual unemployment has fallen. What the feds report is a different  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:21 AM   #110 
     - Define actual unemployment. All U rates declined  dmallind   Dec-03-11 09:33 PM   #132 
        - According to which underlying data, though?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:07 AM   #138 
           - I've seen 117 and I REstate - local reports are not reflected, at all, in BLS rates  dmallind   Dec-05-11 12:43 PM   #150 
  - So the republicans stopping Obama idea  Turbineguy   Dec-02-11 08:42 AM   #6 
  - You might want to read the entire thread. It has some pretty good info.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:23 AM   #111 
  - its probably just seasonal jobs. after jan, youll see the UE back up n/t  JesterCS   Dec-02-11 08:42 AM   #7 
  - boo hoo hoo  jpak   Dec-02-11 08:42 AM   #8 
  - You may want to read the thread. But only if you want facts.  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:18 AM   #31 
  - I'm glad to see you are consistent with this nonsense across more than just the gungeon subforum.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-02-11 10:27 AM   #54 
     - Supposedly, the stat is adjusted for seasonal factors, but this thread has several very good posts  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:30 AM   #112 
  - The adjusted and non-adjusted rates are in A-15. Nonadjusted is even better  dmallind   Dec-02-11 10:06 AM   #45 
     - Please read the thread.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:37 AM   #113 
        - Please tell me what I missed. My statement is 100% accurate.  dmallind   Dec-03-11 09:30 PM   #131 
           - Again, please read the thread.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:24 AM   #140 
              - Already have. Again what did I miss or get wrong? Can you not spell it out, or just not find it?  dmallind   Dec-05-11 03:00 PM   #151 
  - EVERY measure in A-15 improved though....  dmallind   Dec-02-11 10:04 AM   #44 
  - And watch it magically jump back to 9% come January...  Jon Ace   Dec-02-11 11:51 PM   #104 
  - Breaking News: Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November  Javaman   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #9 
  - Holiday hiring?  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #10 
  - I don't think that would show up yet.  bigworld   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #11 
  - Not in results for November? Why not?  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #15 
     - Seasonal hiring WOULD show up in November, and BLS stats are...  MarkCharles   Dec-02-11 08:46 AM   #17 
        - Thanks.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:47 AM   #114 
  - added 120,000 new jobs  INdemo   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #12 
  - BLS.gov website is crashed  bigworld   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #13 
  - The numbers for holiday hiring are not included into this...  SKKY   Dec-02-11 10:20 AM   #50 
  - I blame Obama for this horrible news  jpak   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #14 
  - Oh yeah - no doom for you  jpak   Dec-02-11 08:43 AM   #16 
     - Talking to yourself on a message board? 300,000 stopped looking.  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:08 AM   #23 
        - And they are included in U-6 which also declined.  dmallind   Dec-02-11 10:07 AM   #46 
           - That is not surprising, given the economy of last three years. If 315,000  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:53 AM   #115 
              - What about the 378000 no longer PT but wanting FT?  dmallind   Dec-03-11 09:25 PM   #128 
  - Lol  Muskypundit   Dec-02-11 09:48 AM   #36 
  - wait, three times as many people gave up looking as were hired?  phantom power   Dec-02-11 08:49 AM   #18 
  - Almost. About 300,000 gave up looking and 120, 000 jobs were added.  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:05 AM   #22 
  - I remember how the Bush administration used to  INdemo   Dec-02-11 09:51 AM   #37 
  - Never happened. Benefits have ZERO impact on the unemployment rate.  dmallind   Dec-02-11 10:08 AM   #47 
     - The myth that dropping off unemployment means you aren't counted  hugo_from_TN   Dec-02-11 01:49 PM   #89 
     - Please see Reply 117,  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:08 AM   #118 
     - Reply 117 proves what I said  dmallind   Dec-05-11 03:02 PM   #152 
     - I know - Koresh knows why when it's corrected many times every month. nt  dmallind   Dec-03-11 09:28 PM   #130 
     - Not the benefits themselves, but the unemployment rates reported by states and local entities  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:06 AM   #117 
        - No they do not - the methodology is in the link  dmallind   Dec-03-11 09:27 PM   #129 
           - ? One of the links cites several sources of info used, of which a survey is only one.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:21 AM   #139 
              - Bullshit - the BLS data is ONLY survey-based. They mention other REPORTS that use benefits  dmallind   Dec-05-11 03:03 PM   #153 
  - +1000, thank you for being a voice of reason  stockholmer   Dec-02-11 11:15 AM   #61 
     - Agree. If we were using the same measures we used during the Depression,  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 02:58 AM   #116 
  - baby boomers retiring. n/t  taught_me_patience   Dec-02-11 09:29 AM   #33 
     - Somehow, I don't think so.  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:30 AM   #141 
  - Some additional numbers:  FreedomVoice   Dec-02-11 08:53 AM   #19 
  - Welcome to DU.  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:14 AM   #28 
  - Ha-ha, thanks, I didn't expect "way to go" but I may have been a bit  FreedomVoice   Dec-02-11 11:14 AM   #60 
     - You're welcome!  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:34 AM   #142 
  - welcome to du........  madrchsod   Dec-02-11 09:20 AM   #32 
  - Thanks!!! n/t  FreedomVoice   Dec-02-11 11:17 AM   #62 
  - I'm with you  SixthSense   Dec-02-11 09:34 AM   #34 
  - Hey thanks for stopping by.  demgrrrll   Dec-02-11 09:54 AM   #40 
  - You have to caveat that.  pinqy   Dec-02-11 11:09 AM   #59 
     - Did it last month?  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:43 AM   #143 
  - GOPers love to cook books.  lonestarnot   Dec-02-11 08:56 AM   #20 
  - I'm so glad to know people are happily employed and making decent wages  tawadi   Dec-02-11 09:02 AM   #21 
  - The Republican jaws dropped even lower nt  cmd   Dec-02-11 09:09 AM   #25 
  - numbers are a fraud  SixthSense   Dec-02-11 09:11 AM   #26 
  - +1  NorthCarolina   Dec-02-11 09:13 AM   #27 
  - As a former business partner of mine used to say "figure lie and liars figure."  No Elephants   Dec-02-11 09:17 AM   #30 
  - Absolutely.  jeanmarc   Dec-02-11 10:23 AM   #52 
  - Don't worry, the GOP ...  Cigar11   Dec-02-11 09:16 AM   #29 
  - Let the super duper manipulation begin!  Safetykitten   Dec-02-11 09:38 AM   #35 
  - I don't know who is more disappointed in this news, the GOP  Itchinjim   Dec-02-11 09:52 AM   #38 
  - I'll go with the DU doom and gloomers.  demgrrrll   Dec-02-11 09:55 AM   #41 
  - hmm...  chervilant   Dec-04-11 08:51 AM   #147 
  - Ah yes, the DUgds. That's us, you nailed it right there. Yes you did.  Safetykitten   Dec-02-11 10:18 AM   #49 
  - Glad that you are not bitter about things, like the other doom and gloomers.  geckosfeet   Dec-02-11 10:48 AM   #57 
  - I always like to be on the sunny side of the street, like this report.  Safetykitten   Dec-02-11 11:07 AM   #58 
  - AMEN! You speak for me and many, many other Americans.  Divernan   Dec-02-11 12:03 PM   #73 
  - I have been doing that exact job for close to 13 years  Occulus   Dec-04-11 09:18 AM   #148 
  - +1  paulk   Dec-02-11 01:40 PM   #88 
  - Some here would complain if the unemployment rate were 4%  Democat   Dec-03-11 01:18 AM   #106 
  - Denial often makes folks happier. In fact, that's often why they choose it.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:14 AM   #120 
  - Congratulations to those that found jobs. eom.  Hotler   Dec-02-11 09:57 AM   #42 
  - I guess I will look like a part of these "good statistics" when my UI is up in January!  DollyM   Dec-02-11 10:18 AM   #48 
  - unemployment in my area is UP, not down!  DollyM   Dec-02-11 10:22 AM   #51 
  - The unemployment numbers have nothing to do with unemployment insurance payments.  hugo_from_TN   Dec-02-11 01:54 PM   #90 
     - how do they know you are seeking employment if you aren't getting unemployment?  DollyM   Dec-02-11 03:56 PM   #95 
     - They ask...it's a survey, not a count. n/t  pinqy   Dec-02-11 09:56 PM   #97 
     - Do you have a link?  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:11 AM   #119 
  - Good News  Johnny2X2X   Dec-02-11 10:24 AM   #53 
  - just don't look behind the curtain  Skittles   Dec-02-11 10:37 AM   #55 
  - That's because, behind the curtain, you will find,,,,  SmittynMo   Dec-02-11 11:55 AM   #70 
     - yes  Skittles   Dec-02-11 10:51 PM   #99 
  - Ya have to know how to "read" numbers  zipplewrath   Dec-02-11 10:47 AM   #56 
  - This thread contains a lot of good info about the BLS numbers.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:22 AM   #122 
  - Rick Scott Governor of Florida is already taking credit - he wants to break unions  2Design   Dec-02-11 11:26 AM   #64 
  - "More than 1/2 of falling rate was result of people dropping out of the labor force."  Divernan   Dec-02-11 11:37 AM   #65 
  - According to the BLS website, the survey of households (who is surveyed, btw?) is only  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:19 AM   #121 
  - Of note,  chervilant   Dec-02-11 11:37 AM   #66 
  - Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009  sc518387   Dec-02-11 11:41 AM   #67 
  - Teenagers should be in school  julian09   Dec-02-11 01:36 PM   #85 
  - I suspect the Black Caucus reminds him. (And I loves me some members of the  No Elephants   Dec-04-11 05:49 AM   #144 
  - But,,,,,  SmittynMo   Dec-02-11 11:53 AM   #69 
  - Yes, it includes people looking for work who have run out of benefits.  hugo_from_TN   Dec-02-11 01:56 PM   #91 
     - I am not a part of the numbers  SmittynMo   Dec-02-11 11:29 PM   #103 
     - It woudl be very interesting to know whom BLS DOES survey every month and how they know  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:40 AM   #124 
     - No, it is not a myth. Please see Reply 117 and the BLS website generally.  No Elephants   Dec-03-11 03:38 AM   #123 
  - sure it did  fascisthunter   Dec-02-11 11:59 AM   #71 
  - Get that shit outta here! This is DU dammit!  cottonseed   Dec-02-11 11:59 AM   #72 
  - The numbers are somewhat disingenuous  Beacool   Dec-02-11 12:35 PM   #75 
  - I don't see how those two graphs can be spun as good news by ANYONE  Doctor_J   Dec-02-11 01:32 PM   #84 
     - Yep, that it is............  Beacool   Dec-02-11 02:49 PM   #92 
  - for what a real economist say 's about the report  wobblie   Dec-02-11 12:46 PM   #78 
  - In SPITE of repug interference.  louis-t   Dec-02-11 01:16 PM   # 
  - In SPITE of repug interference.  louis-t   Dec-02-11 01:16 PM   #79 
  - That is all happy horse shit. Most of it is form the size of the labor pool shrinking..  pam4water   Dec-02-11 01:28 PM   #80 
  - The labor force has been shrinking since around year 2000.  DCBob   Dec-02-11 05:10 PM   #96 
  - I don't get these numbers. Every day it's different news  Doctor_J   Dec-02-11 01:29 PM   #81 
  - HELLO  Skittles   Dec-02-11 10:52 PM   #100 
  - Much as I'm ready for some good news  DFW   Dec-02-11 01:32 PM   #83 
  - I like this one.  Kingofalldems   Dec-02-11 01:37 PM   #86 
  - Someone is frightened enough to turn the trillions they have been holding  nineteen50   Dec-02-11 01:38 PM   #87 
  - This thread illustrates to me that any number...  LanternWaste   Dec-02-11 03:03 PM   #93 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Dec-02-11 03:35 PM   #94 
  - Good news. I think the people giving up..  mvd   Dec-02-11 11:15 PM   #102 
  - Not another political propaganda  demicritic   Dec-04-11 07:18 AM   #145 
 

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