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Fri Dec-02-11 08:53 AM
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| 19. Some additional numbers: |
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Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 08:54 AM by FreedomVoice
I know I am going to get lit up for providing additional numbers, but I feel as being a in the "economist" industry, I must provide any other info I know about this important issue.
If the Labor Force was the same size it was in 2008-2009 (the point they are saying was the last time we were below 8.6% UE) the current unemployment rate today would actually calculate out to be 11%.
This is just additional info. Not my slamming of adding 120,000 jobs.
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| -Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009 |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-02-11 07:37 AM |
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I should be really happy for those who are working... and I am |
OKNancy |
Dec-02-11 07:51 AM |
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With the number of new weekly claims edging above 400K for |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-02-11 08:31 AM |
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Shhhh. Facts only spoil the celebration. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:08 AM |
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Serious question |
Yupster |
Dec-02-11 09:54 AM |
#39 |
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Definition of discouraged worker |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 10:03 AM |
#43 |
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Actually, |
chervilant |
Dec-02-11 11:46 AM |
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Sorry to hear your circumstances. Hope things improve for you in 2012. |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 12:11 PM |
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Thank you so much! |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:01 PM |
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I'm so sorry. |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 12:39 PM |
#76 |
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Hugs |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:02 PM |
#134 |
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You are very welcome. |
Beacool |
Dec-04-11 09:54 AM |
#149 |
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So very sorry. Wishing something turns for you. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:17 AM |
#108 |
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Actually, |
chervilant |
Dec-03-11 10:05 PM |
#135 |
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Thank you for telling me that. I am so glad that you found something positive. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 04:59 AM |
#137 |
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My brother in law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-02-11 12:43 PM |
#77 |
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Or a 33-year old who after 2 years of looking for work |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:30 PM |
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No. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:13 AM |
#107 |
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You are correct. Yet a lot of people at DU will jump on this as "good news" |
totodeinhere |
Dec-02-11 11:21 AM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. |
tabasco |
Dec-02-11 10:01 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 10:55 PM |
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120,000 jobs, but 315,000 stopped looking, so the unemployment rate only APPEARED to go down. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:20 AM |
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Yes, it's much better when the unemployment rate goes up! |
tabasco |
Dec-03-11 08:47 AM |
#125 |
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No, it's much better when the real unemployment rate goes down. That isn't happening. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-03-11 01:05 PM |
#127 |
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In your world, what does "only APPEARED to go down" mean? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 04:54 AM |
#136 |
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There was no spin involved. Just look at the statistics about what really happened. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-03-11 01:04 PM |
#126 |
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O, Goodie! |
chervilant |
Dec-04-11 08:47 AM |
#146 |
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If anyone has noticed, we're getting a lot of "cheery" news ... while the opposite seems to be |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-11 12:04 AM |
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kick |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:41 AM |
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Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November; payroll employment rises by 120,000 |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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Prior to an election, I'm not surprised to see unemplyment fall and the stock market go up |
DaveJ |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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I don't think actual unemployment has fallen. What the feds report is a different |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:21 AM |
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Define actual unemployment. All U rates declined |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:33 PM |
#132 |
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According to which underlying data, though? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:07 AM |
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I've seen 117 and I REstate - local reports are not reflected, at all, in BLS rates |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 12:43 PM |
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So the republicans stopping Obama idea |
Turbineguy |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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You might want to read the entire thread. It has some pretty good info. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:23 AM |
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its probably just seasonal jobs. after jan, youll see the UE back up n/t |
JesterCS |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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boo hoo hoo |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:42 AM |
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You may want to read the thread. But only if you want facts. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:18 AM |
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I'm glad to see you are consistent with this nonsense across more than just the gungeon subforum. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-02-11 10:27 AM |
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Supposedly, the stat is adjusted for seasonal factors, but this thread has several very good posts |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:30 AM |
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The adjusted and non-adjusted rates are in A-15. Nonadjusted is even better |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:06 AM |
#45 |
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Please read the thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:37 AM |
#113 |
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Please tell me what I missed. My statement is 100% accurate. |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:30 PM |
#131 |
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Again, please read the thread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:24 AM |
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Already have. Again what did I miss or get wrong? Can you not spell it out, or just not find it? |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:00 PM |
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EVERY measure in A-15 improved though.... |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:04 AM |
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And watch it magically jump back to 9% come January... |
Jon Ace |
Dec-02-11 11:51 PM |
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Breaking News: Unemployment rate falls to 8.6% in November |
Javaman |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Holiday hiring? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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I don't think that would show up yet. |
bigworld |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Not in results for November? Why not? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Seasonal hiring WOULD show up in November, and BLS stats are... |
MarkCharles |
Dec-02-11 08:46 AM |
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Thanks. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:47 AM |
#114 |
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added 120,000 new jobs |
INdemo |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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BLS.gov website is crashed |
bigworld |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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The numbers for holiday hiring are not included into this... |
SKKY |
Dec-02-11 10:20 AM |
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I blame Obama for this horrible news |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Oh yeah - no doom for you |
jpak |
Dec-02-11 08:43 AM |
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Talking to yourself on a message board? 300,000 stopped looking. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:08 AM |
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And they are included in U-6 which also declined. |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:07 AM |
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That is not surprising, given the economy of last three years. If 315,000 |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:53 AM |
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What about the 378000 no longer PT but wanting FT? |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:25 PM |
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Lol |
Muskypundit |
Dec-02-11 09:48 AM |
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wait, three times as many people gave up looking as were hired? |
phantom power |
Dec-02-11 08:49 AM |
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Almost. About 300,000 gave up looking and 120, 000 jobs were added. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:05 AM |
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I remember how the Bush administration used to |
INdemo |
Dec-02-11 09:51 AM |
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Never happened. Benefits have ZERO impact on the unemployment rate. |
dmallind |
Dec-02-11 10:08 AM |
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The myth that dropping off unemployment means you aren't counted |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:49 PM |
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Please see Reply 117, |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:08 AM |
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Reply 117 proves what I said |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:02 PM |
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I know - Koresh knows why when it's corrected many times every month. nt |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:28 PM |
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Not the benefits themselves, but the unemployment rates reported by states and local entities |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:06 AM |
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No they do not - the methodology is in the link |
dmallind |
Dec-03-11 09:27 PM |
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? One of the links cites several sources of info used, of which a survey is only one. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:21 AM |
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Bullshit - the BLS data is ONLY survey-based. They mention other REPORTS that use benefits |
dmallind |
Dec-05-11 03:03 PM |
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+1000, thank you for being a voice of reason |
stockholmer |
Dec-02-11 11:15 AM |
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Agree. If we were using the same measures we used during the Depression, |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 02:58 AM |
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baby boomers retiring. n/t |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-02-11 09:29 AM |
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Somehow, I don't think so. |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:30 AM |
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Some additional numbers: |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 08:53 AM |
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Welcome to DU. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:14 AM |
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Ha-ha, thanks, I didn't expect "way to go" but I may have been a bit |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 11:14 AM |
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You're welcome! |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:34 AM |
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welcome to du........ |
madrchsod |
Dec-02-11 09:20 AM |
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Thanks!!! n/t |
FreedomVoice |
Dec-02-11 11:17 AM |
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I'm with you |
SixthSense |
Dec-02-11 09:34 AM |
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Hey thanks for stopping by. |
demgrrrll |
Dec-02-11 09:54 AM |
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You have to caveat that. |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 11:09 AM |
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Did it last month? |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:43 AM |
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GOPers love to cook books. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-02-11 08:56 AM |
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I'm so glad to know people are happily employed and making decent wages |
tawadi |
Dec-02-11 09:02 AM |
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The Republican jaws dropped even lower nt |
cmd |
Dec-02-11 09:09 AM |
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numbers are a fraud |
SixthSense |
Dec-02-11 09:11 AM |
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+1 |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-02-11 09:13 AM |
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As a former business partner of mine used to say "figure lie and liars figure." |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-11 09:17 AM |
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Absolutely. |
jeanmarc |
Dec-02-11 10:23 AM |
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Don't worry, the GOP ... |
Cigar11 |
Dec-02-11 09:16 AM |
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Let the super duper manipulation begin! |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 09:38 AM |
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I don't know who is more disappointed in this news, the GOP |
Itchinjim |
Dec-02-11 09:52 AM |
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I'll go with the DU doom and gloomers. |
demgrrrll |
Dec-02-11 09:55 AM |
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hmm... |
chervilant |
Dec-04-11 08:51 AM |
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Ah yes, the DUgds. That's us, you nailed it right there. Yes you did. |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 10:18 AM |
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Glad that you are not bitter about things, like the other doom and gloomers. |
geckosfeet |
Dec-02-11 10:48 AM |
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I always like to be on the sunny side of the street, like this report. |
Safetykitten |
Dec-02-11 11:07 AM |
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AMEN! You speak for me and many, many other Americans. |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 12:03 PM |
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I have been doing that exact job for close to 13 years |
Occulus |
Dec-04-11 09:18 AM |
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+1 |
paulk |
Dec-02-11 01:40 PM |
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Some here would complain if the unemployment rate were 4% |
Democat |
Dec-03-11 01:18 AM |
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Denial often makes folks happier. In fact, that's often why they choose it. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:14 AM |
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Congratulations to those that found jobs. eom. |
Hotler |
Dec-02-11 09:57 AM |
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I guess I will look like a part of these "good statistics" when my UI is up in January! |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 10:18 AM |
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unemployment in my area is UP, not down! |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 10:22 AM |
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The unemployment numbers have nothing to do with unemployment insurance payments. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:54 PM |
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how do they know you are seeking employment if you aren't getting unemployment? |
DollyM |
Dec-02-11 03:56 PM |
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They ask...it's a survey, not a count. n/t |
pinqy |
Dec-02-11 09:56 PM |
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Do you have a link? |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:11 AM |
#119 |
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Good News |
Johnny2X2X |
Dec-02-11 10:24 AM |
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just don't look behind the curtain |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:37 AM |
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That's because, behind the curtain, you will find,,,, |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:55 AM |
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yes |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:51 PM |
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Ya have to know how to "read" numbers |
zipplewrath |
Dec-02-11 10:47 AM |
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This thread contains a lot of good info about the BLS numbers. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:22 AM |
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Rick Scott Governor of Florida is already taking credit - he wants to break unions |
2Design |
Dec-02-11 11:26 AM |
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"More than 1/2 of falling rate was result of people dropping out of the labor force." |
Divernan |
Dec-02-11 11:37 AM |
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According to the BLS website, the survey of households (who is surveyed, btw?) is only |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:19 AM |
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Of note, |
chervilant |
Dec-02-11 11:37 AM |
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Unemployment rate falls to lowest since March 2009 |
sc518387 |
Dec-02-11 11:41 AM |
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Teenagers should be in school |
julian09 |
Dec-02-11 01:36 PM |
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I suspect the Black Caucus reminds him. (And I loves me some members of the |
No Elephants |
Dec-04-11 05:49 AM |
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But,,,,, |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:53 AM |
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Yes, it includes people looking for work who have run out of benefits. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 01:56 PM |
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I am not a part of the numbers |
SmittynMo |
Dec-02-11 11:29 PM |
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It woudl be very interesting to know whom BLS DOES survey every month and how they know |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:40 AM |
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No, it is not a myth. Please see Reply 117 and the BLS website generally. |
No Elephants |
Dec-03-11 03:38 AM |
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sure it did |
fascisthunter |
Dec-02-11 11:59 AM |
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Get that shit outta here! This is DU dammit! |
cottonseed |
Dec-02-11 11:59 AM |
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The numbers are somewhat disingenuous |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 12:35 PM |
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I don't see how those two graphs can be spun as good news by ANYONE |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:32 PM |
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Yep, that it is............ |
Beacool |
Dec-02-11 02:49 PM |
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for what a real economist say 's about the report |
wobblie |
Dec-02-11 12:46 PM |
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In SPITE of repug interference. |
louis-t |
Dec-02-11 01:16 PM |
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In SPITE of repug interference. |
louis-t |
Dec-02-11 01:16 PM |
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That is all happy horse shit. Most of it is form the size of the labor pool shrinking.. |
pam4water |
Dec-02-11 01:28 PM |
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The labor force has been shrinking since around year 2000. |
DCBob |
Dec-02-11 05:10 PM |
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I don't get these numbers. Every day it's different news |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 01:29 PM |
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HELLO |
Skittles |
Dec-02-11 10:52 PM |
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Much as I'm ready for some good news |
DFW |
Dec-02-11 01:32 PM |
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I like this one. |
Kingofalldems |
Dec-02-11 01:37 PM |
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Someone is frightened enough to turn the trillions they have been holding |
nineteen50 |
Dec-02-11 01:38 PM |
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This thread illustrates to me that any number... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-02-11 03:03 PM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Dec-02-11 03:35 PM |
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Good news. I think the people giving up.. |
mvd |
Dec-02-11 11:15 PM |
#102 |
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Not another political propaganda |
demicritic |
Dec-04-11 07:18 AM |
#145 |
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