msanthrope
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Thu Dec-01-11 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #59 |
| 66. No. You don't get a trial in this case. |
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Let me 'splain.
Sort of been the law of the land since this whole shebang started.
When you declare yourself part of 'x' group, and 'x' group has been declared war on, you have a choice.
You can lay down your arms and surrender. Or you can be killed or captured. Marines choice.
You see, this is why we were able to kill lots of Confederates and Nazi's and all sorts of bad apples. Without trial.
We declared war on Al-Q on 9.18.2001. Really. You can look it up.
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| -Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US |
Synicus Maximus |
Dec-01-11 12:34 PM |
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In other words... |
Vinnie From Indy |
Dec-01-11 12:38 PM |
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and nary a word |
azureblue |
Dec-01-11 12:48 PM |
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Actually, the government has never been real particular about the philosophy of the folks |
razorman |
Dec-01-11 01:03 PM |
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+1 |
mike_c |
Dec-01-11 01:12 PM |
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I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge. |
AlbertCat |
Dec-01-11 01:47 PM |
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agreed. the party line is always a pale facade to con their end of the voting public. |
marasinghe |
Dec-01-11 07:02 PM |
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ITA.... |
AnneD |
Dec-02-11 10:57 AM |
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Barack W. Bush is that you? nt |
msongs |
Dec-01-11 01:12 PM |
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and when the government declares OWS a terrorist organization ? |
KILL THE WISE ONE |
Dec-01-11 01:28 PM |
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As soon as anyone in association with OWS would start blowing sh*t up. |
Amonester |
Dec-01-11 01:35 PM |
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Thing is, you don't get to decide when OWS gets branded a terrorist organization |
tavalon |
Dec-02-11 07:46 AM |
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The language is so broad that literally anyone they want can be included. |
indepat |
Dec-01-11 06:44 PM |
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What language in the AUMF are you talking about? Can you cite it??? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:49 PM |
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Can't cite language in AUMF, but please refer to Jeh Johnson's interpretation |
indepat |
Dec-02-11 03:10 PM |
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Exactly! |
tavalon |
Dec-02-11 07:46 AM |
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We are already guilty of thoughtcrime, brother. |
wandago |
Dec-01-11 10:55 PM |
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Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US |
The Northerner |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Would Obama defenders please explain the |
spotbird |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Obama Haters - please defend Anwar al-Awlaki! |
AllTooEasy |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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what about his 16 year old son (US citizen), assassinated 2 days after his father by drone strike, |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:29 PM |
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It's unfortunate his parents allowed him to be in the company of the terrorist the strike targeted. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:35 PM |
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Awlaki was so evil he even managed to do that posthumously. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:21 AM |
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Extra-judicial executions are as American as cherry pie. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 06:52 PM |
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What is extra-judicial about the War Powers Act? Can you explain which part of the AUMF |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:57 PM |
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The part where you imagine it applies forever to all "combatants" globally by executive designation. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:23 AM |
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It's about the Constitution, not al-Awlaki and not Obama. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:34 PM |
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Yeah. Can you explain to us how the AUMF of 9.18.2001 is unconstitutional?? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:51 PM |
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It's the constitution that needs defense |
spotbird |
Dec-01-11 04:14 PM |
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Soon as you provide a bill of indictment against him, not just the PR statements... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:12 AM |
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(Raising Hand!!) Bush lacked the fortitude to target our actual enemies. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:36 PM |
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While Obama on the other hand is happy to target our enemies, |
JoeyT |
Dec-02-11 12:09 PM |
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Excuse me, I seem to have misplaced my due process. |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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it might be under here.. |
frylock |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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*wince* |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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No, you still have it. I believe that this is in reference largely to say if someone from the US |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Are you sure? |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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They carry around membership cards now?? |
Angry Dragon |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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We don't know what Awlaki did. We only know what the government claims |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Actually we have video |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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So, where did you study Arabic? |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Do you? |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 03:19 PM |
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I'm pointing out to you that you have no first hand knowledge |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 03:48 PM |
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Ya might want to consider trying some |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 04:41 PM |
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I believe Anthony Weiner. I think you forget his crusade on YouTube |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:20 PM |
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And that video might be admissible as evidence in court, if al Awaki had been granted due process, |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:37 PM |
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Hey I would have liked there to be a trial but he made no attempt that I am aware of to turn himself |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 04:49 PM |
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Was there a Warrant issued by a Judge for his arrest... |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 06:12 PM |
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Actually, yes. He had been convicted in Yemen. They could not obtain him. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:44 PM |
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LOL. Yemen does NOT even have an Extradition Treaty with the US. |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 06:54 PM |
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Oh, no--we didn't need the Yemeni crime, or the British one. We've had the authorization |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:08 PM |
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Onward with the Bush legacy of a Unitary Executive!!!! |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 07:20 PM |
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We don't need a trial to pursue people we are at war with. Like Confederates. Nazis. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:26 PM |
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How about the children of those "accused" of being "terrorists"? |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 11:55 AM |
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it would have saved us iraq? |
shanti |
Dec-02-11 12:01 PM |
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To ALLEGEDLY aid bin ladens people. If the government accused |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 06:57 PM |
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No. You don't get a trial in this case. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:13 PM |
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No, not allegedly since he is on videos working hard for them or are you claiming the videos fake or |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 07:14 PM |
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Yes "allegedly" - until the defense has a chance to challenge the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:23 PM |
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He had plenty of time to dispute them, years in fact so its kinda of moot issue. |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 11:36 PM |
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Explain how his due process was violated, specifically???? |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:47 PM |
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No. The administration does not want any legal checks on its unitary executive power. |
Demit |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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+1000 |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:22 PM |
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your wrong, it leaves it wide open for anyone, anywhere to be designated a terrorist and Obama wants |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:22 PM |
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You are conflating substance and due process. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:35 PM |
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Tell me how the AUMF of 9.17.2001 violates due process??? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:37 PM |
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Part of our Constitutionally granted Rights is to be against the government |
DJ13 |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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+1, it's about OWS not Terror. |
harun |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Bullshit |
AllTooEasy |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Wrong. Even people you dislike and disagree with are entitled |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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I agree. Every American citizen deserves a trial, even at war.. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 07:07 PM |
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He should have shown up to his trial, then??? Any of them? |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:31 PM |
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I do not support killing him and.. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 09:02 PM |
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"AQ is overrated"? I call a Poe. nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 09:24 PM |
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They are. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 10:07 PM |
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I'd rather not have to trust any of them and have the law stay the way it is. |
harun |
Dec-01-11 02:00 PM |
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Actually, al-Qaeda is not the monolithic entity upon which your |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:08 PM |
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Please see 1861-1865 in US History for a precedent. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 02:04 PM |
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I kinda disagree, I see it more as 1929-39 and the '50s combined. |
AverageJoe90 |
Dec-02-11 03:59 PM |
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And We Thought the Right Had a Monopoly on Reactionary Paranoia!!! |
mckara |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Does this also include those clinging to the idea of the Confederacy? |
slutticus |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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no, but it did apply to Confederate soldiers. n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-02-11 10:50 AM |
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Is there any doubt who runs the government? 'CIA counsel' and 'Pentagon counsel' are now doing the |
sinkingfeeling |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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First they came for... |
Democracydiva |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Yet another DU thread demonstrating "De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt" and idolatry is not |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:40 PM |
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When the President does it, that means it is NOT illegal. |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 04:37 PM |
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+1 I wonder how those supportive of this policy would react if |
The Northerner |
Dec-01-11 05:28 PM |
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If I had a family member in Al-Qaeda, I would turn them in. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:41 PM |
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We KNOW you would, |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 12:14 PM |
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Bravo! Due process is not there to protect 'them' but to protect 'us' - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:11 PM |
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The next Republican president will put Obama on Rushmore for this. |
rug |
Dec-01-11 05:44 PM |
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The authorization for this was passed under a Republican. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:48 PM |
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I could but this current piece of shit action is more pertinent. |
rug |
Dec-01-11 07:16 PM |
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The current action was authorized 10 years ago. Too bad W. lacked the intestiinal fortitude, |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:24 PM |
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Remember your words when they come for you, lickspittle. |
Zhade |
Dec-01-11 07:42 PM |
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Aw, sweetie. I suspect I won't be the one up against the wall. nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 09:27 PM |
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Ain't that always the way |
a simple pattern |
Dec-02-11 12:19 AM |
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Professional Left? |
U4ikLefty |
Dec-01-11 11:50 PM |
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Obama promised to return us to the rule of law. |
JoeyT |
Dec-02-11 12:13 PM |
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I agree, but S.1867 has me worried still. |
AverageJoe90 |
Dec-02-11 04:01 PM |
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Why |
ProSense |
Dec-01-11 09:38 PM |
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So I guess this is a mute point now ...... |
doublethink |
Dec-02-11 11:41 AM |
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mute point |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 02:05 PM |
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Okay moot ..... got me lol ... |
doublethink |
Dec-02-11 04:19 PM |
#103 |
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