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Thu Dec-01-11 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 7. As soon as anyone in association with OWS would start blowing sh*t up. |
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Count.Me.Out.
(But.I'm.Sure.That.Will.Not.Happen.)
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| -Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US |
Synicus Maximus |
Dec-01-11 12:34 PM |
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In other words... |
Vinnie From Indy |
Dec-01-11 12:38 PM |
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and nary a word |
azureblue |
Dec-01-11 12:48 PM |
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Actually, the government has never been real particular about the philosophy of the folks |
razorman |
Dec-01-11 01:03 PM |
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+1 |
mike_c |
Dec-01-11 01:12 PM |
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I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge. |
AlbertCat |
Dec-01-11 01:47 PM |
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agreed. the party line is always a pale facade to con their end of the voting public. |
marasinghe |
Dec-01-11 07:02 PM |
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ITA.... |
AnneD |
Dec-02-11 10:57 AM |
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Barack W. Bush is that you? nt |
msongs |
Dec-01-11 01:12 PM |
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and when the government declares OWS a terrorist organization ? |
KILL THE WISE ONE |
Dec-01-11 01:28 PM |
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As soon as anyone in association with OWS would start blowing sh*t up. |
Amonester |
Dec-01-11 01:35 PM |
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Thing is, you don't get to decide when OWS gets branded a terrorist organization |
tavalon |
Dec-02-11 07:46 AM |
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The language is so broad that literally anyone they want can be included. |
indepat |
Dec-01-11 06:44 PM |
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What language in the AUMF are you talking about? Can you cite it??? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:49 PM |
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Can't cite language in AUMF, but please refer to Jeh Johnson's interpretation |
indepat |
Dec-02-11 03:10 PM |
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Exactly! |
tavalon |
Dec-02-11 07:46 AM |
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We are already guilty of thoughtcrime, brother. |
wandago |
Dec-01-11 10:55 PM |
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Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US |
The Northerner |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Would Obama defenders please explain the |
spotbird |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Obama Haters - please defend Anwar al-Awlaki! |
AllTooEasy |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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what about his 16 year old son (US citizen), assassinated 2 days after his father by drone strike, |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:29 PM |
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It's unfortunate his parents allowed him to be in the company of the terrorist the strike targeted. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:35 PM |
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Awlaki was so evil he even managed to do that posthumously. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:21 AM |
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Extra-judicial executions are as American as cherry pie. - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 06:52 PM |
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What is extra-judicial about the War Powers Act? Can you explain which part of the AUMF |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:57 PM |
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The part where you imagine it applies forever to all "combatants" globally by executive designation. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:23 AM |
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It's about the Constitution, not al-Awlaki and not Obama. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:34 PM |
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Yeah. Can you explain to us how the AUMF of 9.18.2001 is unconstitutional?? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:51 PM |
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It's the constitution that needs defense |
spotbird |
Dec-01-11 04:14 PM |
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Soon as you provide a bill of indictment against him, not just the PR statements... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-02-11 11:12 AM |
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(Raising Hand!!) Bush lacked the fortitude to target our actual enemies. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:36 PM |
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While Obama on the other hand is happy to target our enemies, |
JoeyT |
Dec-02-11 12:09 PM |
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Excuse me, I seem to have misplaced my due process. |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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it might be under here.. |
frylock |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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*wince* |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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No, you still have it. I believe that this is in reference largely to say if someone from the US |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Are you sure? |
WilliamPitt |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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They carry around membership cards now?? |
Angry Dragon |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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We don't know what Awlaki did. We only know what the government claims |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Actually we have video |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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So, where did you study Arabic? |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Do you? |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 03:19 PM |
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I'm pointing out to you that you have no first hand knowledge |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 03:48 PM |
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Ya might want to consider trying some |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 04:41 PM |
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I believe Anthony Weiner. I think you forget his crusade on YouTube |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:20 PM |
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And that video might be admissible as evidence in court, if al Awaki had been granted due process, |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:37 PM |
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Hey I would have liked there to be a trial but he made no attempt that I am aware of to turn himself |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 04:49 PM |
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Was there a Warrant issued by a Judge for his arrest... |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 06:12 PM |
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Actually, yes. He had been convicted in Yemen. They could not obtain him. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:44 PM |
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LOL. Yemen does NOT even have an Extradition Treaty with the US. |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 06:54 PM |
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Oh, no--we didn't need the Yemeni crime, or the British one. We've had the authorization |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:08 PM |
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Onward with the Bush legacy of a Unitary Executive!!!! |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 07:20 PM |
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We don't need a trial to pursue people we are at war with. Like Confederates. Nazis. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:26 PM |
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How about the children of those "accused" of being "terrorists"? |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 11:55 AM |
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it would have saved us iraq? |
shanti |
Dec-02-11 12:01 PM |
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To ALLEGEDLY aid bin ladens people. If the government accused |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 06:57 PM |
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No. You don't get a trial in this case. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:13 PM |
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No, not allegedly since he is on videos working hard for them or are you claiming the videos fake or |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 07:14 PM |
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Yes "allegedly" - until the defense has a chance to challenge the |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:23 PM |
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He had plenty of time to dispute them, years in fact so its kinda of moot issue. |
cstanleytech |
Dec-01-11 11:36 PM |
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Explain how his due process was violated, specifically???? |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:47 PM |
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No. The administration does not want any legal checks on its unitary executive power. |
Demit |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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+1000 |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:22 PM |
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your wrong, it leaves it wide open for anyone, anywhere to be designated a terrorist and Obama wants |
stockholmer |
Dec-01-11 03:22 PM |
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You are conflating substance and due process. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:35 PM |
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Tell me how the AUMF of 9.17.2001 violates due process??? nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:37 PM |
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Part of our Constitutionally granted Rights is to be against the government |
DJ13 |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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+1, it's about OWS not Terror. |
harun |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Bullshit |
AllTooEasy |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Wrong. Even people you dislike and disagree with are entitled |
EFerrari |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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I agree. Every American citizen deserves a trial, even at war.. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 07:07 PM |
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He should have shown up to his trial, then??? Any of them? |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:31 PM |
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I do not support killing him and.. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 09:02 PM |
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"AQ is overrated"? I call a Poe. nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 09:24 PM |
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They are. |
mvd |
Dec-01-11 10:07 PM |
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I'd rather not have to trust any of them and have the law stay the way it is. |
harun |
Dec-01-11 02:00 PM |
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Actually, al-Qaeda is not the monolithic entity upon which your |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:08 PM |
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Please see 1861-1865 in US History for a precedent. |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 02:04 PM |
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I kinda disagree, I see it more as 1929-39 and the '50s combined. |
AverageJoe90 |
Dec-02-11 03:59 PM |
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And We Thought the Right Had a Monopoly on Reactionary Paranoia!!! |
mckara |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Does this also include those clinging to the idea of the Confederacy? |
slutticus |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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no, but it did apply to Confederate soldiers. n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-02-11 10:50 AM |
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Is there any doubt who runs the government? 'CIA counsel' and 'Pentagon counsel' are now doing the |
sinkingfeeling |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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First they came for... |
Democracydiva |
Dec-01-11 01:55 PM |
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Yet another DU thread demonstrating "De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt" and idolatry is not |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:40 PM |
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When the President does it, that means it is NOT illegal. |
bvar22 |
Dec-01-11 04:37 PM |
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+1 I wonder how those supportive of this policy would react if |
The Northerner |
Dec-01-11 05:28 PM |
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If I had a family member in Al-Qaeda, I would turn them in. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:41 PM |
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We KNOW you would, |
bvar22 |
Dec-02-11 12:14 PM |
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Bravo! Due process is not there to protect 'them' but to protect 'us' - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-01-11 07:11 PM |
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The next Republican president will put Obama on Rushmore for this. |
rug |
Dec-01-11 05:44 PM |
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The authorization for this was passed under a Republican. |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 06:48 PM |
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I could but this current piece of shit action is more pertinent. |
rug |
Dec-01-11 07:16 PM |
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The current action was authorized 10 years ago. Too bad W. lacked the intestiinal fortitude, |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 07:24 PM |
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Remember your words when they come for you, lickspittle. |
Zhade |
Dec-01-11 07:42 PM |
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Aw, sweetie. I suspect I won't be the one up against the wall. nt |
msanthrope |
Dec-01-11 09:27 PM |
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Ain't that always the way |
a simple pattern |
Dec-02-11 12:19 AM |
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Professional Left? |
U4ikLefty |
Dec-01-11 11:50 PM |
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Obama promised to return us to the rule of law. |
JoeyT |
Dec-02-11 12:13 PM |
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I agree, but S.1867 has me worried still. |
AverageJoe90 |
Dec-02-11 04:01 PM |
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Why |
ProSense |
Dec-01-11 09:38 PM |
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So I guess this is a mute point now ...... |
doublethink |
Dec-02-11 11:41 AM |
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mute point |
hugo_from_TN |
Dec-02-11 02:05 PM |
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Okay moot ..... got me lol ... |
doublethink |
Dec-02-11 04:19 PM |
#103 |
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