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Thu Dec-01-11 01:56 PM
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| 48. Israel is never going to get a fair shake at this forum. I suspect that the anti Israel posters |
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around here would have opposed the formation of Israel in the first place. There has been a strong bipartisan consensus on our foreign policy toward Israel ever since Democratic President Harry Truman supported the formation of Israel in 1948. You wouldn't know it from reading DU, but the vast majority of Democratic office holders and policy markers today strongly support the existence Israel.
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| -Obama Tells Jewish Donors: ‘No Ally More Important Than Israel’ |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-01-11 12:08 AM |
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And THAT is the problem. |
on point |
Dec-01-11 12:34 AM |
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*THE* Problem? Really? n/t |
Ian David |
Dec-01-11 12:06 PM |
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on point said: "And THAT is the problem." Why do you misread that as " *THE* Problem " ? |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 09:53 AM |
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And this after Tony Blair sold his soul so Britain could be America's best friend. |
Prometheus Bound |
Dec-01-11 12:36 AM |
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... |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 06:26 AM |
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Poodles are nice, but the Lord of the Manor loves his attack dog best. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 09:54 AM |
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And this, my good friends, is why..... |
Hulk |
Dec-01-11 12:44 AM |
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liking israel and considering them a close ally is a provocation to arabs? |
Mosby |
Dec-01-11 10:49 AM |
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Taking their side. |
sendero |
Dec-02-11 05:19 AM |
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were we taking the israeli's side when we sell the saudis advanced weapon systems? |
Mosby |
Dec-02-11 10:39 AM |
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"We"? Who is we? I supported the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, but the US government tried to kill it. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 10:02 AM |
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Did they do JACK SHIT about it. |
sendero |
Dec-03-11 04:07 PM |
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If doing what is right causes some to hate us, then so be it. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 01:48 PM |
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Exactly, Hulk |
Carolina |
Dec-02-11 11:26 AM |
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What the fuck. POLAND has stood by us stronger than Israel. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-01-11 12:48 AM |
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i think the term he used was |
LanternWaste |
Dec-01-11 12:18 PM |
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Dec-01-11 01:04 AM |
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Why? Why is "no ally more important than Israel"? |
Poll_Blind |
Dec-01-11 01:07 AM |
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Jewish votes ... and Israel likes us |
IamK |
Dec-01-11 04:24 AM |
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The technical term is "weasel words". It's what politicians do when they are pandering to a group. |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-11 11:51 AM |
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Sure. Either way, it's wrong. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 10:04 AM |
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Because that's where Jeebus is going to return. |
BiggJawn |
Dec-04-11 07:28 AM |
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AIPAC runs US foreign policy. That should be clear to anyone. |
Citizen Worker |
Dec-01-11 03:19 AM |
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Better them than the people who would destroy Israel if they had the chance. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 01:57 PM |
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? Why should any country control our policy?? |
krabigirl |
Dec-02-11 11:16 AM |
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Blah, blah, blah |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 03:37 AM |
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Blah, blah, blah. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 10:05 AM |
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dupe |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 03:37 AM |
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Dec-01-11 04:44 AM |
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It was a "dupe" of my own post. The system posted my remark twice. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 05:04 AM |
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Dec-01-11 05:19 AM |
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That is because my original comment was to the OP... |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 05:27 AM |
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Dec-01-11 05:31 AM |
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You are the one who seems paranoid. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 05:34 AM |
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Dec-01-11 05:43 AM |
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I am a Zionist. You know how powerful and evil we are. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 05:45 AM |
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Dec-01-11 05:49 AM |
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This is my favorite side-thread ever. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-01-11 12:24 PM |
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Hard to follow it |
oberliner |
Dec-01-11 12:58 PM |
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Exactly. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-01-11 01:40 PM |
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Deleted message.....LOL |
ileus |
Dec-02-11 08:04 AM |
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Impossible for me |
Turborama |
Dec-02-11 11:10 AM |
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+1000 |
ellisonz |
Dec-01-11 03:17 PM |
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This includes, unfortunately, the American people. We're WAY down the list. |
saras |
Dec-01-11 06:10 AM |
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Great point! n/t |
MarkCharles |
Dec-01-11 06:39 AM |
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True or not, good for fundraising or not, this is not a diplomatic thing for any head of state |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 06:32 AM |
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Which allies |
leftynyc |
Dec-01-11 06:49 AM |
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We should not piss off anyone gratuitously. Seems self evident. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:28 PM |
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Sigh - the thread |
leftynyc |
Dec-02-11 04:02 AM |
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Actually it is standard diplomatic language and has been for decades |
grantcart |
Dec-01-11 11:36 AM |
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Thank you for this level-headed post |
oberliner |
Dec-01-11 12:10 PM |
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delete |
oberliner |
Dec-01-11 12:57 PM |
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I agree the language is used for multiple countries... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 12:47 AM |
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But the Israel haters at this forum don't want Israel to be an ally in good standing. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 02:00 PM |
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please tell me what |
Carolina |
Dec-02-11 11:32 AM |
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LOL. Good point. |
Prometheus Bound |
Dec-01-11 03:09 PM |
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Good point. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-11 03:47 PM |
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+1000 |
mac56 |
Dec-02-11 06:55 AM |
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K & R for inadvertent truth. (n/t) |
Nihil |
Dec-01-11 06:46 AM |
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Damn right Israel is important. It has cost us dearly. |
jerseyjack |
Dec-01-11 07:05 AM |
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As supporters will point out ... |
GeorgeGist |
Dec-01-11 10:22 AM |
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Actually it is standard diplomatic language and has been for decades |
grantcart |
Dec-01-11 01:16 PM |
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But anyone who has been following this issue since Obama took office knows that he is a strong |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 02:04 PM |
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Basically |
legin |
Dec-01-11 10:45 AM |
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oh brother... |
fascisthunter |
Dec-01-11 10:50 AM |
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Don't worry. He's just campaigning. Just words. |
Islandlife |
Dec-01-11 11:00 AM |
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If we could follow the money trail, we'd know what motivates this. I'm not talking about donors. |
freshwest |
Dec-01-11 11:56 AM |
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Slight addition. |
ellisonz |
Dec-01-11 03:43 PM |
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Could be argued that it came in first with the Founding Fathers, too. |
freshwest |
Dec-01-11 05:40 PM |
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I should think that the USA's "most important ally" would probably be Britain. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Dec-01-11 11:59 AM |
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Nothing was said about "most important ally". But it is a common misread |
grantcart |
Dec-01-11 01:20 PM |
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If you actually read the speech he gave, it is mostly about domestic policy |
oberliner |
Dec-01-11 12:58 PM |
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Please post a transcript of the speech he gave at Jack Rosen's residence, thanks. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-01-11 07:55 PM |
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Here ya go |
oberliner |
Dec-02-11 07:59 AM |
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Comments on Israel may have been noted because of who hosted the fundraiser ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-02-11 05:12 PM |
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He did some serious fundraising for Obama last time around |
oberliner |
Dec-02-11 11:35 PM |
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He helps both sides of the aisle, looked earlier at some of his connections ... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-03-11 12:47 AM |
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Not in the presidential election |
oberliner |
Dec-03-11 07:50 AM |
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Why is that? I would love a rational reason why they are chosen as our BFFs |
Marrah_G |
Dec-01-11 01:42 PM |
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Israel is never going to get a fair shake at this forum. I suspect that the anti Israel posters |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 01:56 PM |
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i support the existence of israel, but am highly critical of the government of israel |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-01-11 03:17 PM |
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The only one using the "anti-Semitic" charge is you. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-01-11 03:19 PM |
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its been used multiple times here whenever israel is criticized |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-01-11 08:00 PM |
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And often used in the manner YOU used it. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-02-11 02:13 AM |
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what does that even mean? just yesterday someone accused someone else |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-02-11 08:37 AM |
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Is it really that difficult for you to understand. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-02-11 04:16 PM |
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The OP was about Obama's calling Israel an important ally. It didn't address the |
totodeinhere |
Dec-01-11 03:41 PM |
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IMO any news should take into account the current happenings. nt |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-01-11 08:05 PM |
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a fair shake? Sorry, but the USA has moved mountains for Israel..enough is enough. |
krabigirl |
Dec-02-11 11:17 AM |
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Touche, krabigirl |
Carolina |
Dec-02-11 11:41 AM |
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Israel is highly overrated..nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-01-11 02:16 PM |
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'No disease is more important than cancer.' |
Lance_Boyle |
Dec-01-11 03:45 PM |
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Why? Because we strive to be as fascist as they? n/t |
ozone_man |
Dec-01-11 06:47 PM |
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Thanks for all the replies and recs, in light of the US selling the bunker buster bombs to Israel... |
slipslidingaway |
Dec-01-11 07:54 PM |
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America the honest broker |
classysassy |
Dec-01-11 07:58 PM |
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Excellent post, classysassy |
Carolina |
Dec-02-11 11:45 AM |
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Dec-02-11 03:57 AM |
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He's needs the money and votes...He doesn't really mean it. |
ileus |
Dec-02-11 08:08 AM |
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ugh..so tired of politicians kissing Israel's ass. |
krabigirl |
Dec-02-11 11:16 AM |
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Most right-wing states are our allies |
Doctor_J |
Dec-02-11 12:05 PM |
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You are comparing Israel to Saudi Arabia? |
oberliner |
Dec-02-11 11:36 PM |
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