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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:55 PM
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46. The walled garden is comfortable, freedom is often uncomfortable
I'm always amazed as to how quickly people cede their freedoms for the sake of comfort. Not just in the digital realm, either.

I'm sure you've studied democracy and know that freedom requires responsibility. Our personal freedoms are very much tied to freedom of information, among many things. If you want to maintain freedom over your information, you also need to take responsibility for it, rather than cede that responsibility to one of the largest corporations in the world.

They call it 'jailbreak' for a reason, you know.
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  -Carrier IQ: Researcher Trevor Eckhart Outs Creepy, Hidden App Installed On Smartphones onehandle  Nov-30-11 12:49 PM   #0 
  - Well in a waty, this is good news for me.  pennylane100   Nov-30-11 12:54 PM   #1 
  - Makes me glad I have Samsung phones, then. nt  TheWraith   Nov-30-11 12:55 PM   #2 
  - Samsung too --->  onehandle   Nov-30-11 06:02 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 01:11 PM   #3 
  - I mostly use mine for porn. n/t  Ian David   Nov-30-11 01:26 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, we know.  The Doctor.   Nov-30-11 09:43 PM   #44 
  - I'm with you. I'm hanging onto a phone that is years old,  EFerrari   Nov-30-11 01:33 PM   #5 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 03:10 PM   #10 
  - This makes me appreciate my simple, pre-paid phone  rox63   Nov-30-11 01:50 PM   #6 
  - I'm gettng onto the internet by  pnorman   Nov-30-11 02:07 PM   #7 
  - They don't mention Samsung phones as being affected. nt  TheWraith   Nov-30-11 05:23 PM   #16 
  - It is any phone running the Android system  LiberalArkie   Nov-30-11 05:58 PM   #18 
     - No, since they mention Blackberry and Nokia as well.  TheWraith   Nov-30-11 06:39 PM   #25 
        - Apple? Since Carrier IQ is a US Corporation, it should be  denem   Nov-30-11 06:46 PM   #28 
           - They're not. Apple is not one of them. Samsung, HTC, Nokia and RIM are. nt  onehandle   Dec-01-11 05:56 AM   #56 
  - what carrier do you use? and have they bitched about your data usage?  Kali   Nov-30-11 06:48 PM   #29 
     - Sprint, and my data plan while not the unlimited one  pnorman   Dec-01-11 04:24 AM   #54 
  - Cui bono? K&R  bobthedrummer   Nov-30-11 02:15 PM   #8 
  - I'm of the mind;  greiner3   Nov-30-11 02:43 PM   #9 
  - Yep.  EFerrari   Nov-30-11 03:12 PM   #11 
  - Is this the party to whom I'm speaking?  Ezlivin   Nov-30-11 04:24 PM   #12 
  - Thanks!  potone   Nov-30-11 04:30 PM   #13 
  - I used to work one of those switchboards in the 50s.  Chipper Chat   Nov-30-11 04:42 PM   #14 
  - My office keeps insisting I get a smart phone.  louis-t   Nov-30-11 04:54 PM   #15 
  - I hate Apple!  Atman   Nov-30-11 05:41 PM   #17 
  - I think it was Sprint that said it was worried the the iPhone would use way too much  LiberalArkie   Nov-30-11 06:00 PM   #19 
  - Who knows. Remember ipad was trracking people's location  jbnow   Nov-30-11 08:23 PM   #36 
  - LOL! Happy in my 'walled garden.' nt  onehandle   Nov-30-11 06:03 PM   #21 
  - Yep, me too.. Too many techies look at the IOS for anyone to get something like that in.  LiberalArkie   Nov-30-11 06:17 PM   #23 
  - Not really.  TheWraith   Nov-30-11 06:42 PM   #26 
  - Can you tether from your walled garden?  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 07:19 PM   #31 
     - Yes.  onehandle   Nov-30-11 07:32 PM   #33 
     - Looks like that permission was just revoked.  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 07:45 PM   #34 
        - Because the carriers have their own tethering plans.  onehandle   Nov-30-11 08:19 PM   #35 
           - The walled garden is comfortable, freedom is often uncomfortable  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 09:55 PM   #46 
              - I imagine that reason is simply  LanternWaste   Dec-01-11 06:57 AM   #58 
     - You thought not. But you thought wrong.  Atman   Nov-30-11 08:38 PM   #38 
        - How much does that cost?  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 08:59 PM   #39 
           - The same as it costs Android users  Indydem   Nov-30-11 09:35 PM   #43 
              - It's still free on T-Mobile  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 09:56 PM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 06:44 PM   #27 
  - and reports them to the mobile phone carrier.  ashling   Nov-30-11 06:05 PM   #22 
  - and then relayed to the NSA?  denem   Nov-30-11 06:26 PM   #24 
  - I'm in a minority. I prefer dumb phones. Dumber than I am, preferably.  caseymoz   Nov-30-11 07:03 PM   #30 
  - Just install a clean version of Android - problem solved.  tinrobot   Nov-30-11 07:20 PM   #32 
  - ++  backscatter712   Nov-30-11 09:20 PM   #41 
  - also rooted  carlos3k   Dec-01-11 02:03 AM   #53 
  - Best answer by far. n/t  Psephos   Nov-30-11 09:46 PM   #45 
  - Is there anything like that on my ipad2?  peacebird   Nov-30-11 08:26 PM   #37 
  - Very likely - Carrier IQ has software for Androids, Blackberrys and iPhones/iPads.  backscatter712   Nov-30-11 09:18 PM   #40 
  - WRONG  Indydem   Nov-30-11 09:34 PM   #42 
     - Nope. It's on iPhone as well.  backscatter712   Dec-01-11 09:18 AM   #61 
        - Read the article you linked to.  Indydem   Dec-01-11 11:04 AM   #65 
  - No. This is a Samsung, HTC, Nokia and RIM problem. Apple is clear.  onehandle   Dec-01-11 05:54 AM   #55 
     - Apple iPhone linked to Carrier IQ 'spyware'  MellonCollie   Dec-01-11 07:15 AM   #59 
     - Nope, Carrier IQ is running on iPhone too.  backscatter712   Dec-01-11 09:18 AM   #60 
        - Not on mine. There is no 'Diagnostics and Usage' menu. Maybe they mean in Europe.  onehandle   Dec-01-11 10:02 AM   #62 
           - It's certainly running on some iPhones.  backscatter712   Dec-01-11 10:23 AM   #64 
  - And then they threatened to sue to shut him up  DissedByBush   Nov-30-11 10:01 PM   #48 
  - Technical Failures Abound.  boppers   Nov-30-11 11:46 PM   #49 
  - I solve a bunch of this...I have a dumb phone...I don't text...I don't do Facebook...  SoapBox   Nov-30-11 11:48 PM   #50 
  - FYI, your ISP for your desktop computer also gets that info.  garybeck   Dec-01-11 12:20 AM   #51 
  - With a VPN it's harder.  mwooldri   Dec-01-11 06:43 AM   #57 
  - Every day, another reason surfaces that makes me glad I have a dumb phone  AllyCat   Dec-01-11 01:29 AM   #52 
  - Every breath you take...  pscot   Dec-01-11 10:15 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-01-11 11:43 AM   #66 
  - Don't Worry.  bvar22   Dec-01-11 01:16 PM   #67 
 

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