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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:06 PM
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53. amandabeech
amandabeech

Yes, I know about, some of the prison system, who are rather on the bad side of the whole affair I would say. Overcrowding gang fighting, crime behind bars... In many of the prisons, the guards, guard the doors, but inside of the prisons, the gangs own the place. And will use anything necessary tools to maintain that power.. And the gangs are not even shy on attaching prison guards, to make their statement.... So yes I know little about it, event tho I doubt that I'm any expert on the US prison system - as I'm not expert on the Norwegian prison system. Who might from the outside looks little weird for most people, as most of them do have some freedoms, like looking at a TV, a computer, internet connection (supervised) and other rights, that are not the norm outside of Norway.. Many foreigner who end up in prison in Norway, is quite happy about the whole case, because they often got better treatment in a cell in Norway, than home...

I know that some prisons are sued, on the basis of Bill of rights, guarantees that a prisoner shall not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment. Something that have been told is the basic of US justis system for as long as The Bill of Rights, have been on the books over there in the US. (And by the way, is laws that just slowly got into the books in Europe) And as you point out, some states have indeed comply on it, and have made changes to the system, to make it more like it should, at the basis of the US Bill of Rights.

It must be interesting to work with an United States Judge even if you doesn't get to work with some really interesting, and I believe your work with the judge was great as it might give many the tools to get a better life, even if they have to be in prison for a long time.. I'm sad that Texas doesn't wanted to comply on it, but that is maybe typical Texas thing?. (I'm not sure, but to me it looks like many Texans is rather stubborn) It is sad that this type of persons, and judge are not here anymore, as they might do better job, than many others.. And he might also follow up on his surname who as you point out, was Justice. I will try to look up on the name when I have time for it. He sounds like a man worth reading about.

I think also, that in many cases, that mental sick persons should be helped mentally, by hospital, or another type of medical help, rather than just be locked up in a prison cell.. Medical helps is paramount if you want a sick man/woman to get well, understood what he/she did, and then not doing it again. In most cases, the need for medical help have been there for years at hand, and they have never getting the treatment and help they was in need of getting.. When they was going all over the top, they did a crime, hurt someone, maybe even killed a person, and then put into a cell.. Then it is better to medicate them, and not at least, help them to get better.. But many are never picked up by the public health services, and they end up doing anything, or everything wrong.. Snad sick persons can do really weird things.. Specially when they are sick mentally... And as you point out, it is not easy to cope with insane, or unstable prisoners, it is maybe the most difficult work to have, to help prisoners, who are so sick, mentally or other vice, that you can't get near them, without personal danger.. Even in peacefully Norway, prison guards, can experience attack from sick prisoners in prison.. And some even have to go away from the job, because of the danger they got into.. Some are to afraid to go back, and need a break from it all in the end

I hope, for both himself, and for the rest of Norway, Breivik would be given the treatment he need. What he did, is without precedence in Norway, I doubt our legal system is at all made for the possibility that one man, could blow up the government offices, and kill more than 80 civilians, at a whole and attack a youth camp too.. The whole thing is just horrible and it will be a shock, that will not subside for a long time.. Maybe after he got his sentence, who I believe would be a long time in the custody of a mental institution maybe for the rest of his life, depend of he can ever get better I guess, it will be more easy to let the wounds grow, and let time goes by... Some says even that Breivik would be given freedom (if he was well enough) in a decade or two, something I really do not hope, as the crime he did, was to horrible to be forgiven.. He need help, and if he ever was made "well" again, at least he should face a trial, to make it possible to give him "some" punishment for his actions... But then again, double jeopardy is still in effect, here in Norway to. You can not be jugded to prison for the same crime - if not new evidences came to light.. And I doubt somehow, that this case can bee looked on, at a new angle, even after 20 year..

But, as it was proven, mr Breivik was not happy, when he was told, that he was insane, and possible is not eligible to be put into a prison cell.. In fact, he was rather insulted by the whole idea.. He have some grandiose ideas about himself, and his role as the "defender and protector" of Norway.. Who had to do this, to protect us against our enemies...

Clearly a madman..

Diclotican
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